Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Salerno]

44 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I get it all, but there is a large portion of people who will not vaccinate because of what I wrote.

Stop writing it then.

[ozimoron]

44 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I get it all, but there is a large portion of people who will not vaccinate because of what I wrote. And those folks will also say they have a right not to take a vaccine to protect others. All those vaccines we've had throughout our lives were to protect myself. Never before have we been told to take a vaccine to protect others. Valid point.

That's complete rubbish. All vaccines have always been a 2 way street. This is a very simple concept that has been explained to the deniers over and over again but the wilful ignorance prevents them from understanding it. You have revealed your motivation here which is to dissuade people from getting the vaccine. This is dangerous misinformation which is killing people.

[Salerno]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You have revealed your motivation here which is to dissuade people from getting the vaccine.

Pretty sure he meant what he wrote is a reason people are not getting the jab ... not that him writing it and people reading it will stop people getting the jab.

 

I was taking the mickey with:

7 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Stop writing it then.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Salerno

[ozimoron]

Just now, Salerno said:

Pretty sure he meant what he wrote is a reason people are not getting the jab ... not that him writing it and people reading it will stop people getting the jab.

I think it's both. Why else do we keep seeing this rubbish repeated time and again when they should know better. There is clearly an agenda behind it otherwise they wouldn't do it.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Wow, I know it's hard for you to admit the vaccine doesn't stop the spread of covid. So, when I say a truth why do the pro-vaxxers get all bent out of shape.

Not hard to admit at all. You are spinning things just like they do on the fake news right wing media outlets. Almost verbatim.

 

And this is proven by the links you post.

 

1 hour ago, Salerno said:

And some people on the other side of the equation (far far less IMO) feel the need to over inflate the danger. This isn't an extinction event although sometimes when reading some posts you'd think it was.

Over inflate? Some 10MM people have died in less than 2 years. Millions more have been hospitalized. The world was shutdown. I'd say it's dangerous.

 

And the virus isn't done with us yet. Probably won't be in our lifetime.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, redwood1 said:

Sir anyone here who is not 100%  1000%  one million %  pro vax  credibility is in tatters with you and some of the other usual suspects on this thread....

 

Even If Dr fauci himself come out tomorrow and said Covid was a hoax, you would then call him a conspiracy theorist....

Except that it's the politicians and the feeble minded who have been saying that the virus is a hoax and that vaccines don't work. It has NEVER been the experts. Cut out the false equivalence.

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[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Sir anyone here who is not 100%  1000%  one million %  pro vax  credibility is in tatters with you and some of the other usual suspects on this thread....

 

Even If Dr fauci himself come out tomorrow and said Covid was a hoax, you would then call him a conspiracy theorist....

Not true. We're just against those who spread misinformation. Zip credibility.

 

Bizarre thing to say about Fauci. Weird.

[Salerno]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

I'd say it's dangerous.

As would I, but in the great scheme of things the sky isn't falling.

[Jeffr2]

Just now, Salerno said:

As would I, but in the great scheme of things the sky isn't falling.

Just shy of that. And we're not out of this yet.

[Salerno]

I rest my case. 

 

 

[ozimoron]

Finally, we should be rid of this scourge and can get that part of our lives back which has been spent protecting ourselves and others from the rampant, agenda driven misinformation. Thank you moderators.

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57 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I get it all, but there is a large portion of people who will not vaccinate because of what I wrote. And those folks will also say they have a right not to take a vaccine to protect others. All those vaccines we've had throughout our lives were to protect myself. Never before have we been told to take a vaccine to protect others. Valid point.

So false. Remember not too long ago about how measles was back because of the nonsense propagated by anti-vaxxers? And how they were endangering communities?

America’s Measles Crisis Amid the Anti-Vaccine Movement

"Fauci best describes strong herd immunity as “even if someone enters into the community who is measles infected, the measles virus will have little opportunity to spread because most of the community is already vaccinated.” In a community, there are certain people with immunodeficiencies who cannot get vaccinated, thus making them highly vulnerable to diseases such as measles. The herd, which is the vaccinated population, protect the vulnerable ones from the spread of the virus."

https://pha.berkeley.edu/2019/12/01/americas-measles-crisis-amid-the-anti-vaccine-movement/

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2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a vaccinated person can spread covid. Is that a lie? yes or no will do.

And if a financial advisor tells someone to invest all their money in the lottery because they can win millions, is that a lie? Does it matter that, technically speaking, it's true?

[Chomper Higgot]

One of the objections put forward by anti-vaxcers, and some who themselves have been vaccinated but engage in promoting anti-vax sentiments is not feeling they should take any vaccine for the benefit of others.

 

We’ve even had the laughable claim that ‘I’ve only ever taken a vaccine to protect myself’.  

 

Firstly all national/international vaccination programs have an objective of defeating a society wide disease threat; example the ‘fight against small pox’ was a program of vaccination to eradicate that scourge.

 

Secondly, promoting vaccination to protect others is a very effective means to encourage large numbers of people to get vaccinated. I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s witnessed younger members of families seeking vaccination in order to protect elderly parents/grandparents.

 

That the terminally selfish are themselves unable to even comprehend vaccination to protect others (despite several times in their life having been vaccinated to protect others) is only an insight into their own selfishness, it is not an argument against vaccination to protect others.

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And if a financial advisor tells someone to invest all their money in the lottery because they can win millions, is that a lie? Does it matter that, technically speaking, it's true?

People get vaccinated to protect themselves, as did I. To say people should be forced to  get vaccinated to protect others is weak. I did it for myself and possibly as a result for those in my household. I got it mainly to make my return to Thailand easier.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

People get vaccinated to protect themselves, as did I. To say people should be forced to  get vaccinated to protect others is weak. I did it for myself and possibly as a result for those in my household. I got it mainly to make my return to Thailand easier.

 

 

The mandate for the NYC police worked great. Only some 40 are not getting the jab. Fantastic.

[thaibeachlovers]

38 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's complete rubbish. All vaccines have always been a 2 way street. This is a very simple concept that has been explained to the deniers over and over again but the wilful ignorance prevents them from understanding it. You have revealed your motivation here which is to dissuade people from getting the vaccine. This is dangerous misinformation which is killing people.

He did say he has been twice jabbed. As he is vaccinated why on earth would he actively seek to dissuade people from getting the vaccine?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

People get vaccinated to protect themselves, as did I. To say people should be forced to  get vaccinated to protect others is weak. I did it for myself and possibly as a result for those in my household. I got it mainly to make my return to Thailand easier.

 

 

Precisely, you did it for selfish reasons and are incapable of understanding others might vaccinate for more altruistic  reasons.

 

The lack in some of altruism as s motivator is nothing new. 

 

But altruism is alive and well in many others.

 

That said, I’m not in the least bit bothered on why an individual gets vaccinated, so long as they do get vaccinated.

 

What’s very odd is getting vaccinated and then engaging in promoting anti-vaccine messages.

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

He did say he has been twice jabbed. As he is vaccinated why on earth would he actively seek to dissuade people from getting the vaccine?

That's irrelevant and a number of people here have done the same thing. They get vaccinated simply because they can't go to Thailand without it but that doesn't stop them from hypocritically pushing their agenda. Thankfully that should have stopped by now.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He did say he has been twice jabbed. As he is vaccinated why on earth would he actively seek to dissuade people from getting the vaccine?

It’s a good question, but I doubt anyone here is qualified to provide a full explanation.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He did say he has been twice jabbed. As he is vaccinated why on earth would he actively seek to dissuade people from getting the vaccine?

He constantly posts that it's ok not to be vaccinated. I can't understand why anyone feels the need to post stuff like this when we're probably experiencing some 10k deaths a day globally. Terrible for people to do this.

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19 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

People get vaccinated to protect themselves, as did I. To say people should be forced to  get vaccinated to protect others is weak. I did it for myself and possibly as a result for those in my household. I got it mainly to make my return to Thailand easier.

 

What exactly do you mean by  "To say people should be forced to  get vaccinated to protect others is weak."? We had hospital ICU's overflowing with vaccine refuseniks. What's "weak" about putting a stop to that kind of disaster?

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

He constantly posts that it's ok not to be vaccinated. I can't understand why anyone feels the need to post stuff like this when we're probably experiencing some 10k deaths a day globally. Terrible for people to do this.

Do you really think anything you post makes a difference as what I post makes not a bit of difference.

I'm posting the other's (you know, the others) argument, since when was that a crime. 

 

I believe I'm afraid of the pro-vaxxers.

[actonion]

The way this government treats  foreigners here  i feel very sure  being vaccinated will become  another part of the Visa rules..

 

No one can be forced to do anything,  its just a case of if you dont like it.. leave, .. but being vaccinated  or else  unless the visa agencies can find a way around it

[Salerno]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As he is vaccinated why on earth would he actively seek to dissuade people from getting the vaccine?

The $64,000 question.

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So Portland is following the law, without a State or Federal law mandating police officers be vaccinated they shall not be vaccinated.

 

Time for a State or Federal law then.

Portland's major isn't dumb enough to push mandate in the midst of ongoing violence.

[redwood1]

21 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Do you really think anything you post makes a difference as what I post makes not a bit of difference.

I'm posting the other's (you know, the others) argument, since when was that a crime. 

 

I believe I'm afraid of the pro-vaxxers.

Thank you for posting.....All my quality and factual posts here seem to get reported with in minutes of posting...

[ozimoron]

Just now, redwood1 said:

Thank you for posting.....All my quality and factual posts here seem to get reported with in minutes of posting...

I assume you know only because they were removed. Did you ever wonder why?

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I take it reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a vaccinated person can spread covid. Is that a lie? yes or no will do.

Lie by omission.

 

You don’t seem to understand what that means.