Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[thailanddogerator]

hi, I cannot find any information but until now it seems that no country has forced vaccination for expats to renew visa ?

 

do you think that it will happen here ?

 

it would be sad to inject what I do not need because I have no social life with anyone and anyway plan to wear a mask forever.

[sucit]

Yes, that would be sad.

 

if Other countries make people vax, Thailand probably will too. If not, they won’t. 

[thailanddogerator]

1 minute ago, sucit said:

Yes, that would be sad.

 

if Other countries make people vax, Thailand probably will too. If not, they won’t. 

 

yes this country is leading the world ! hahahaha

 

[Jingthing]

Masks aren't as effective as the OP thinks, especially with Delta. It's not a matter of IF you're going to get infected, but more like WHEN. 

Do I think Thai immigration will mandate vaccines for expats? 

I don't know.

But I think that when the vaccines become as easily accessed as in the U.S., perhaps they should!

[robblok]

59 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

I think everyone needs to be vaccinated.  Unvaccinated people are pools for the virus to mutate into different variants.

 

Heres a headline from AP news;

 

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBEJune 30, 2021

 

I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-made-fun-vaccination-efforts-social-media-dies-covid-n1274922

 

And sometimes Darwin does.

 

[robblok]

For the record, I believe in free wil and no mandatory vaccination. However if they curb travel for those unvaccinated then that is their problem, if they are forced to buy a insurance I am also ok with it.

 

With every choice there are downsides as long as the anti vaxers are ok with those then so be it. If they can't get a visa tough luck. Then just check what is more important not having a vaccination or to stay in Thailand.

 

Tough i doubt you have to worry too much im sure you can buy fake documents later for the right price. 

[Captain Monday]

They could easily say you need vaccination to enter Thailand  to make it mandatory to stay would be difficult at a government level.  Certainly individual employers. By the time Thailand has enough around at this rate,covid-19 will be over, or mutated into some new covid with a new vaccine. It does not seem practical. Remember Buriram province said vaccinate or go to jail, when does that start?

[MayBeNow]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-made-fun-vaccination-efforts-social-media-dies-covid-n1274922

 

And sometimes Darwin does.

 

There is a world of difference between people that refuse to get any vaccination and people that question the need for a specific vaccine.

But i guess your taking your annual flu shot too.

Edited July 26, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[richard_smith237]

36 minutes ago, MayBeNow said:

 There is a world of difference between people that refuse to get any vaccination and people that question the need for a specific vaccine.

But i guess your taking your annual flu shot too.

 

It's always interesting how those who hold such a low regard for vaccination have such a poor grasp of the English language (assuming you are English of course), also a poor grasp of science.

 

For those not in high risk groups there is no need for an annual Influenza vaccination unless there is an outbreak of a particularly virulent strain, in contrast, Covid-19 is sufficiently dangerous to a small percentage of unvaccinated people, when that becomes a small percentage of millions of people the numbers of those severely impacted are huge, as we have witnessed.

 

[The Cipher]

46 minutes ago, robblok said:

I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.

Doubt it. In today's world we lock down the fittest so that the least fit can survive a little longer.

[HashBrownHarry]

It's already becoming easier to travel if fully vaccinated.

 

As someone mentions i'm sure non vaccinated people will still be able to travel but likely to be more hoops to jump through.

[wobblyjohn]

Who knows if immigration will force vaccination for you and the sake of others

I HOPE THEY DO 

[Captain Monday]

8 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

It's already becoming easier to travel if fully vaccinated.

 

As someone mentions i'm sure non vaccinated people will still be able to travel but likely to be more hoops to jump through.

It is already becoming required for our pilots to some countries starting this month. Not vaccinated, off the schedule with no pay. My friend at Cathay Pacific who is one of the few left flying there says it is , vaccinate or you are gone----contract terminated.  Nothing governments or private companies can do about another country entry requirements. Aren't borders grand?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In the U.S., there have been nutjob groups of anti-vax medical workers, mainly in Republican/Trump states like Texas and Florida AFAICT, who have been refusing and fighting their employers efforts to require that they be vaccinated.

 

Now today we have this:

 

Doctors, nurses and medical groups call for mandatory coronavirus vaccinations for health workers

 

The health and safety of the nation 'depends on it,’ says a statement signed by 57 groups.

 

"Medical groups representing millions of doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other health workers on Monday called for mandatory vaccinations of all U.S. health personnel against the coronavirus, framing the move as a moral imperative as new infections mount sharply.

 

“We call for all health care and long-term care employers to require their employees to be vaccinated against covid-19,” the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association and 55 other groups wrote in a joint statement shared with The Washington Post. “The health and safety of U.S. workers, families, communities, and the nation depends on it.”

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/mandatory-vaccinations-urged-health-workers/

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[internationalism]

you just go to visa agency and they charge an additional 5k for vax document.

 

But there would be shortage of vax, especially for foreigners, for many years. Thanx to dr Anutin.

The only reason the government will try to force vax on foreigners is for their money, not because 

they do care about your health or health in the general population.

 

Still, herd immunity is around 70-80%, you can chose to be in those 20-30%. Especially, if you are not in a risk group.

[Puccini]

3 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

...Remember Buriram province said vaccinate or go to jail, when does that start?

So far, nobody in authority in Buriram has said that.

[sucit]

9 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

I think everyone needs to be vaccinated.  Unvaccinated people are pools for the virus to mutate into different variants.

 

Heres a headline from AP news;

 

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

By CARLA K. JOHNSON and MIKE STOBBEJune 30, 2021

 

It doesn’t matter. If u have a problem, stay home. 

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, robblok said:

I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-made-fun-vaccination-efforts-social-media-dies-covid-n1274922

 

And sometimes Darwin does.

 

More likely Darwin will take care of people allowing experimental substances into their bodies.

If they aren't dangerous, why are all the manufacturers indemnified against any and all problems arising?

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

More likely Darwin will take care of people allowing experimental substances into their bodies.

If they aren't dangerous, why are all the manufacturers indemnified against any and all problems arising?

Sure Brit, just check how many died of covid and how many died of vaccines. Maybe a female invented the vaccination and its all a big complot for you ????

 

Anyway its standard to make such rules as it could be expensive to deal with law cases as many would want money and that means many courtcases many of those are just fake. Sure there would be some real vaccine related deaths too. But I would do the same too or make the product more expensive so i could make more money for those claims. So what is better fast available at a reasonable price or slow expensive but you can claim.. while many die because of the extra risk and slowdown.

[robblok]

8 hours ago, MayBeNow said:

There is a world of difference between people that refuse to get any vaccination and people that question the need for a specific vaccine.

But i guess your taking your annual flu shot too.

No I dont take any flue shots, im 47 in good health.  Don't see the point. However covid is a different story. 

[robblok]

8 hours ago, The Cipher said:

Doubt it. In today's world we lock down the fittest so that the least fit can survive a little longer.

That is one interpretation of it brought to you by the " I want my fun back and I don't care who has to die for me"  ????

 

I think i gave a perfect example of Darwin with the guy trolling the internet a stupid religious idiot refusing to take the medicine and dying. Seems Darwins law is working. 

 

As far as i know your young like what i was when i came here, maybe its time to go back for you ? Most European countries open up. Then you have your freedom back. I could go back too if i wanted but even locked down here is better then Europe.

 

 

[robblok]

8 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In the U.S., there have been nutjob groups of anti-vax medical workers, mainly in Republican/Trump states like Texas and Florida AFAICT, who have been refusing and fighting their employers efforts to require that they be vaccinated.

 

Now today we have this:

 

Doctors, nurses and medical groups call for mandatory coronavirus vaccinations for health workers

 

The health and safety of the nation 'depends on it,’ says a statement signed by 57 groups.

 

"Medical groups representing millions of doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other health workers on Monday called for mandatory vaccinations of all U.S. health personnel against the coronavirus, framing the move as a moral imperative as new infections mount sharply.

 

“We call for all health care and long-term care employers to require their employees to be vaccinated against covid-19,” the American Medical Association, the American Nurses Association and 55 other groups wrote in a joint statement shared with The Washington Post. “The health and safety of U.S. workers, families, communities, and the nation depends on it.”

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/mandatory-vaccinations-urged-health-workers/

 

To be honest with the risk in the health sector and the fact your working in the health sector (you know where science should rule over quackery) you should take your vaccine or work somewhere else. How can you be anti vax and work in the health service.

 

Maybe if all sick cost because of covid had to be paid by those refusing and not their employers it would be ok, but that still leaves extra pressure on their co workers if they do get sick.

[MrJ2U]

50 minutes ago, sucit said:

It doesn’t matter. If u have a problem, stay home. 

The only problem are antvaxers.

 

Eventually those idiots will have to stay home as you'll need proof of a vaccine to do anything.

 

Then the world will be a better place without those ignorant Qanon followers.

 

 

[Captain Monday]

5 hours ago, Puccini said:

So far, nobody in authority in Buriram has said that.

Did the Buriram authorities say vaccinate or apply to get vaccinated? 

Like throw a cigarette butt and get 100,000 baht fine?I think this will go the same way.

[ignis]

21 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

The only problem are antvaxers.

 

Eventually those idiots will have to stay home as you'll need proof of a vaccine to do anything.

 

Then the world will be a better place without those ignorant Qanon followers.

 

 

People that DO NOT or CANNOT have the vaccine are all tarred with the same brush  ??

 

No I DO NOT take any flu shots I tried 20 years ago, and still suffer from the side effects now, as with many other vaccines from childhood to now + a good few Prescription meds

Last Sept Dr said was 100% safe to have the Pneumonia vaccine = taken to Hospital in a Coma [severe allergic reaction] told not to take part 2.. 4 nights in Hospital

 

I do not class myself as a antivaxxer, just one of the few that cannot get the Vaccine + advice from my Dr [Professor of Diabetic's at Chula Hospital] + got a 2nd opinion from  Dr. J N Naidu MBBS., MD BIOCHEMISTRY, both saying NO

 

I am 100% in the high at risk group Diabetic + CKD + 70s

 

Guess you then would class me as a ignorant antivaxxer ??

 

[Havenstreet1940]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Masks aren't as effective as the OP thinks, especially with Delta. It's not a matter of IF you're going to get infected, but more like WHEN. 

Do I think Thai immigration will mandate vaccines for expats? 

I don't know.

But I think that when the vaccines become as easily accessed as in the U.S., perhaps they should!

Depends on the type of mask used.  The FFP 3 type was found to provide 100 per cent protection to healthcare workers in the UK working with Covid-19 patients in the critical ward, according to a recent study by UK's Cambridge University Hospitals National Health Service Foundation Trust.

 

Additionally Doctors in the UAE have called for mass production of a three-layer face mask that gives more protection against the highly infectious Delta variant of Covid-19.   It is known as the FFP3 (filtering facepiece) and provides four times the protection of the commonly used two-layer N95 mask, medics say.   The FFP3 sits more tightly against the face, with three layers of protection to filter out 99 per cent of airborne particles.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Havenstreet1940 said:

Depends on the type of mask used.  The FFP 3 type was found to provide 100 per cent protection to healthcare workers in the UK working with Covid-19 patients in the critical ward, according to a recent study by UK's Cambridge University Hospitals National Health Service Foundation Trust.

 

Additionally Doctors in the UAE have called for mass production of a three-layer face mask that gives more protection against the highly infectious Delta variant of Covid-19.   It is known as the FFP3 (filtering facepiece) and provides four times the protection of the commonly used two-layer N95 mask, medics say.   The FFP3 sits more tightly against the face, with three layers of protection to filter out 99 per cent of airborne particles.

I'm talking about REAL LIFE for the vast majority of people. Masks work as MITIGATION. With a highly infectious airborne virus like Delta, they generally won't MITIGATE forever. 

Cheers.

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

To be honest with the risk in the health sector and the fact your working in the health sector (you know where science should rule over quackery) you should take your vaccine or work somewhere else. How can you be anti vax and work in the health service.

 

Maybe if all sick cost because of covid had to be paid by those refusing and not their employers it would be ok, but that still leaves extra pressure on their co workers if they do get sick.

In a hypothetical world I would like those who refuse vax to agree to forgo medical treatment. 

After all they won't need medical treatment.

Sad story by an American nurse about dying anti-vaxxers begging for the vaccine and she had to tell them it's too late now.

[The Cipher]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I think i gave a perfect example of Darwin with the guy trolling the internet a stupid religious idiot refusing to take the medicine and dying. Seems Darwins law is working. 

A key portion of Darwin's work has been popularly summarized as 'survival of the fittest.' Your statement implied that the anti-vaxxer OP could die off because without the vaccine he wouldn't be fit enough to fight off Covid. Darwinian theory could be used to support that I guess.

 

My statement was that in the coronatime, pure natural selection has been subverted by human action. Ie, we take major action to protect the less fit at the expense of the more fit. Our actions will probably saves the lives of people like the OP (along with thousands of other old and weak people) that otherwise wouldn't have made it through this thing.

 

Quote

brought to you by the " I want my fun back and I don't care who has to die for me"  

Yes, at this point in the pandemic I am fine openly admitting that I think this. As long as the trajectory of deaths is within 1% of pop per annum and no net global population decrease, let it rip. Some people will die. The vast majority won't. Worth it.

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

As far as i know your young like what i was when i came here, maybe its time to go back for you ? Most European countries open up. Then you have your freedom back. I could go back too if i wanted but even locked down here is better then Europe.

I'm heading back to Canada a couple of weeks from now to catch the West Coast summer. Would've left as soon as this round of strict lockdowns was imposed, but logistics prevented it. Hope you stay safe if you're riding out the pandemic here. Could be a good few months yet before vaccines normalize the situation.

[grain]

It will happen: being fully vaxed + showing a neg PCR test a requirement for all foreigners to enter Thailand.

 

And being fully vaxed + showing a neg PCR test, a medical requirement for extending all visas in Thailand.

 

I'd be very surprised if we don't start to see this coming in next year as vaccines become more readily available.