Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, earthscar said:

possibly but assuming he isn't lying or omitting by mistake then...

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/6963878/coronavirus-nurse-muscle-loss/

 

A California nurse and bodybuilding enthusiast has revealed the shocking toll that the coronavirus took on his body after he spent six weeks in the hospital with complications from COVID-19.

Mike Schultz, 43, says he weighed about 190 pounds and had no underlying health conditions before he contracted the coronavirus in early March. He ended up spending 57 days in hospital with the virus and came out weighing only 140 pounds, he wrote in an Instagram post. The post also included before and after photos documenting the dramatic change that his body went through during the ordeal.

Body builders are not all healthy.  Google bodybuilding and health.  He has a a scar from his neck to stomach. Preexisting heart problem? He looks unnaturally big which is not healthy IMO.  Regardless, the risk of using anecdotal over data is a major problem with discussion on this forum independent of what tribe you are in.

 

Being healthy is extremely beneficial and that is the point I have failed to make. Probably my bad and seems everyone is upset.

[earthscar]

2 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Please sort and sift what constitutes fake news regarding covid-19 for us all.

Thanks.

sure we can do that..

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/12/fact-check-bill-gates-isnt-planning-implant-microchips-via-vaccines/3171405001/

 

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/qanon-cong-candidates/

 

i mean if your going to have a chip theory its always nice to get support from ppl in power right?

 

i could go on but ..umm if your this far along in 2021 and this is new to you...well..umm you took social distancing in that cave to the tippy top.

[atpeace]

5 minutes ago, earthscar said:

then your in the minority you need look no further then how ppl are responding to the social challanges the world is facing. if you didn't find that list(infintesamly small amount of the overall image) something you think we should change then your a lost cause. do a search for the term "laying down" in china. ppl who say i feel sad for you as often as you do i generally run across in a tictok story posted on facebook w/ karen or ken in the tittle somewhere.

 

so you can be shocked when i'm not overy worried about your stance on me.

OK, I get it your angry.  I'm not and hope I rarely am in the future.   Really don't see the point. Scream on and rage against the machine.  I can live with your attitude.

[earthscar]

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Body builders are not all healthy.  Google bodybuilding and health.  He has a a scar from his neck to stomach. Preexisting heart problem? He looks unnaturally big which is not healthy IMO.  Regardless, the risk of using anecdotal over data is a major problem with discussion on this forum independent of what tribe you are in.

 

Being healthy is extremely beneficial and that is the point I have failed to make. Probably my bad and seems everyone is upset.

so did you come down w/ lying or omitting w/ him since he stated

 

Mike Schultz, 43, says he weighed about 190 pounds and had no underlying health conditions

 

since we can't know if he is lying then short of that we have to assume he is not lieing. you think he is a lib w/ a agenda?

 

https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2020/march/whats-an-underlying-condition-/

 

goes over what a underlying condition is since you seem a bit spotty on it. very nicely the artcle also says 

 

Of course, there is a smaller number of otherwise healthy individuals who can develop severe infection,

 

so i mean F those guys they where just not healthy enough..def will not be you. as you said you more healthy then him.

 

even if you are healthy something for you to look forward to possibly

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html

 

decent chance you wont be running so much after. but who believes the cdc right.

[freedomnow]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

And therein lies the problem. People who fall for the fake news.

Fake news - the catch-all phrase for the intellectually lazy.

A hangover if you will from the Trump Administration that just slapped that on anything that went against their "narrative".

 

If counter-evidence arises on any current affair topic just quickly label it FAKE NEWS!  FAKE NEWS!

Fake news emanates from the Onion parody website.

 

 

Guys don't get baited by this poster @jeffr2.

He's just a troll.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

OK, I get it your angry.  I'm not and hope I rarely am in the future.   Really don't see the point. Scream on and rage against the machine.  I can live with your attitude.

This insisting others who disagree with you are angry is a thing with you.

 

I wonder why?

[earthscar]

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

OK, I get it your angry.  I'm not and hope I rarely am in the future.   Really don't see the point. Scream on and rage against the machine.  I can live with your attitude.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

 

slightly pretentious statement but i will take that over your apathy any day.

[earthscar]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

This insisting others who disagree with you are angry is a thing with you.

 

I wonder why?

he isn't wrong i am angery, i should be. we should be. this isn't the world we want to leave for our children. 

 

show some passion and some zest for showing how we can be better. maybe one day we can once again be considered something to look up to. his apathy in the face of this horror and his kitch responses are disheartening. he shows a understanding of English but seemingly can't read..

 

 

[freedomnow]

14 minutes ago, earthscar said:

sure we can do that..

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/12/fact-check-bill-gates-isnt-planning-implant-microchips-via-vaccines/3171405001/

 

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/qanon-cong-candidates/

 

i mean if your going to have a chip theory its always nice to get support from ppl in power right?

 

i could go on but ..umm if your this far along in 2021 and this is new to you...well..umm you took social distancing in that cave to the tippy top.

Haha, yet another poster that extrapolates what I do and do not believe based on the smallest info..

 

I already posted today that I think chipping is nonsense..

I'm already double vaxxed.

 

Just see this all the time on this forum regarding C-19 - people extrapolating what another poster does and does not believe based on scant information.

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Fake news - the catch-all phrase for the intellectually lazy.

A hangover if you will from the Trump Administration that just slapped that on anything that went against their "narrative".

 

If counter-evidence arises on any current affair topic just quickly label it FAKE NEWS!  FAKE NEWS!

Fake news emanates from the Onion parody website.

 

 

Guys don't get baited by this poster @jeffr2.

He's just a troll.

 

 

You obviously are one of those who've fallen for the fake news.

 

Guys don't get baited bt this poster  @freedomnow.

He's just a troll.

[Salerno]

3 minutes ago, earthscar said:

his apathy in the face of this horror

You do realise this type of overly hysteric language fuels the other side to your position don't you?

[earthscar]

9 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Fake news - the catch-all phrase for the intellectually lazy.

A hangover if you will from the Trump Administration that just slapped that on anything that went against their "narrative".

 

If counter-evidence arises on any current affair topic just quickly label it FAKE NEWS!  FAKE NEWS!

Fake news emanates from the Onion parody website.

 

 

Guys don't get baited by this poster @jeffr2.

He's just a troll.

 

 

amusing little aside by that fake news tag.

trump may have very well come up with it

 

fist https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/worldnews/2020/reuters-institute-study-finds-bbc-news-is-americas-most-trusted-news-brand

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42724320 a time table of when the term was first noticed. 

 

snopes didn't seem to cover it but that just may have been poor search on my part.

thats why i linked the trust of bbc and then the actual bbc article about "fake news"

[robblok]

37 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Body builders are not all healthy.  Google bodybuilding and health.  He has a a scar from his neck to stomach. Preexisting heart problem? He looks unnaturally big which is not healthy IMO.  Regardless, the risk of using anecdotal over data is a major problem with discussion on this forum independent of what tribe you are in.

 

Being healthy is extremely beneficial and that is the point I have failed to make. Probably my bad and seems everyone is upset.

No not all bodybuilders are healthy, but in general more healthy then the average fat slob. However the top of bodybuilders can't be that healthy given the steroid use at that level.

 

But you liking the after pic is strange in my eyes, I am more like his before pic maybe a bit more muscular. The after pic looks like a vegan who hasnt eaten for a few weeks ????

 

Calling that guy unnatural big.. wow.. that size is easily attainable without steroids. 

[The Hammer2021]

Entry to the UK requires vaccination...or quarantine. However, flat earthers are not required to demonstrate use of a globe which seems a bit unfair!

[Salerno]

9 minutes ago, earthscar said:

does a article come w/ that or is it purely a pic from a old newspaper political comic? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news

[earthscar]

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news

apricated good right up in that. makes me feel a bit better even if it feels like trump has successfully co opted "fake news" and "unprecedented". Man that last one was seemingly so ubiquitous during trumps term. every anchor or journalist seem compelled to use it somewhere in their segment about a trump news event.

[candide]

8 hours ago, ebice said:

In year 2020 Singapore recorded 29 covid deaths and approximately 1.9% population were vaccinated. (according to Oxford World Data).

In 2021 they have recorded 335 covid deaths (>12 times 2020 rate) and 80% vaccination rate (>42 times 2020 vax rate).

So, the 2021 death rate increased 1100% over 2020 rates despite vaccination rates increasing 4000% over 2020 rates.

 

No spin, no bias, no one sided view, just data, hard cold data.

For comparison, Singapore recorded more deaths (500) due to urinary tract infection in 2019 (one year) and ~364 covid deaths deaths in 20 months! (FEB2020 to present).

 

Keep it in perspective.

Lol! Unvaccinated people in Singapore just have been nine times more likely to be critically ill or dead than vaccinated ones! 

"The MOH noted that over the past seven days, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who are critically ill in the ICU are at 0.5 and 4.4 per 100,000 population, respectively.

Over the same period, the number of fully vaccinated and non-fully vaccinated cases who died are 0.1 and 0.9 per 100,000 population, respectively, it added."

https://news.yahoo.com/44-year-old-among-16-covid-deaths-4248-new-cases-in-singapore-155302482.html

[JetsetBkk]

Clarification, please:

 

On 10/25/2021 at 5:43 PM, CharlieH said:

There is nothing in the rules that I am aware of that states links must be of a certain type. Only that they go to where they say they do. Now, as these dont proclaim to go anywhere website wise,it is up to the individual to decide to follow them or not.

I have followed ALL of those posted with NO ISSUE and see no problem.

 

You make your own decision.

 

Members may find this of use/interest:

https://safecomputing.umich.edu/be-aware/phishing-and-suspicious-email/shortened-url-security

 

7 hours ago, metisdead said:

A post with an unapproved link and a reply has been removed:

 

15) Any links posted must lead to the website the link indicates. Links that are misleading or direct to a site different than the one indicated are not allowed. No shortened version urls or affiliate links permitted.

Are "bit.ly" and/or "tinyurl.com" links allowed or not?

I use them a lot on Twitter to shorten the length of the post.

[metisdead]

3 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Clarification, please:

 

 

Are "bit.ly" and/or "tinyurl.com" links allowed or not?

I use them a lot on Twitter to shorten the length of the post.

 

No, "bit.ly" and/or "tinyurl.com" links are no longer allowed. 

 

Instead of asking for clarification on the forum, it is best to send a PM to a moderator:

 

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You may send a PM to a moderator to discuss individual actions or email support (at) ASEANNOW.com to discuss moderation policy.

Edited October 30, 2021 by metisdead

[JetsetBkk]

Just now, metisdead said:

 

No, "bit.ly" and/or "tinyurl.com" links are no longer allowed. 

Thanks for the clarification.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, ebice said:

I made NO misconceptions....you did all that.

 

I merely showed some silly little graphs and stats and you freaked out because it touched a nerve in your personal small civic duty beliefs, and you don't like them and that's just too bad for you...boo hoo, go cry in the corner.

Brazil has virtually no Covid restrictions, and vaccinated late, with the result that close to 100,000 people per million got Covid. Deaths per million exceed 2,800.

 

Singapore had had heavy restrictions, and high vaccination, so that only about 25,000 people million got Covid. Deaths per million = 64.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

Singapore is a great example of how to control Covid. Restrictions and vaccination work.

 

Thanks for bringing Singapore to my attention.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

how many truly “ fit and healthy” under 60 people, with no underlying conditions and uncompromised immune systems, have died from covid ?  ecause I honestly haven’t heard of one genuine case. such media claims turn out to be clearly false, involving various rolly- pollys with three chins or steroid abusers or multiple drug takers ……any reliable data out there re. genuine “ fit and healthy” covid deaths under 60 ?

 

[metisdead]

A post with unsubstantiated information has been removed:

• DISCLAIMER: this is my opinion and can't be bothered to substantiate everything I know to be true, so google it. 

"So google it" is not the proper way to substantiate information when posting.

 

Posts using videos from unapproved social media sources have been removed:

 

18) Social Media content is acceptable in most social forums. However, in factual areas such as news, current affairs and health topics, it cannot be used unless it is from a credible news media source or government agency, and must include a weblink to the original source.

 

Some troll posts were removed as well. 

 

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5 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

how many truly “ fit and healthy” under 60 people, with no underlying conditions and uncompromised immune systems, have died from covid ?  ecause I honestly haven’t heard of one genuine case. such media claims turn out to be clearly false, involving various rolly- pollys with three chins or steroid abusers or multiple drug takers ……any reliable data out there re. genuine “ fit and healthy” covid deaths under 60 ?

 

I remember somewhere in one of these threads a member mentioned that he knew someone who was truly fit and healthy and your response was that she couldn't have been because if she were, she wouldn't have succumbed. 

[earthscar]

2 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

how many truly “ fit and healthy” under 60 people, with no underlying conditions and uncompromised immune systems, have died from covid ?  ecause I honestly haven’t heard of one genuine case. such media claims turn out to be clearly false, involving various rolly- pollys with three chins or steroid abusers or multiple drug takers ……any reliable data out there re. genuine “ fit and healthy” covid deaths under 60 ?

 

i mean really man.. your on the internet at least ask for something difficult.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/us/va-child-death-covid-trnd/index.html

 

About 5 million children under 18 have tested positive for the coronavirus since the pandemic started. Almost 45 million people overall have tested positive across the country.

 

enjoy that long haul illness you little monsters.. /s

 

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/11/05/covid-now-major-cause-death-kids-many-parents-remain-hesitant-vaccine-1642720.html

 

COVID-19 has killed roughly 570 American kids

 

i mean they are american and if you have ever lived in the usa and had a school lunch then you understand while i think those 570 didn't die from covid they died from the salisbury steak fridays /s

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, earthscar said:

i mean really man.. your on the internet at least ask for something difficult.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/04/us/va-child-death-covid-trnd/index.html

 

About 5 million children under 18 have tested positive for the coronavirus since the pandemic started. Almost 45 million people overall have tested positive across the country.

 

enjoy that long haul illness you little monsters.. /s

 

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/11/05/covid-now-major-cause-death-kids-many-parents-remain-hesitant-vaccine-1642720.html

 

COVID-19 has killed roughly 570 American kids

 

i mean they are american and if you have ever lived in the usa and had a school lunch then you understand while i think those 570 didn't die from covid they died from the salisbury steak fridays /s

CDC: Most Kids Dying From Coronavirus Had Underlying Conditions

Enormous racial-ethnic disparities revealed as well

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88630

[earthscar]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

CDC: Most Kids Dying From Coronavirus Had Underlying Conditions

Enormous racial-ethnic disparities revealed as well

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88630

did you read that or just the headline because umm that doesn't support what you think it does..I get it mass media and their click bait..still..

 

I would suggest reading it but some key points

 

From Feb. 12 to July 31, 121 deaths of patients under age 21 were reported to the CDC, of whom 75% had underlying medical conditions, such as asthma, obesity, neurologic/developmental conditions, and cardiac conditions, while a quarter were previously healthy, reported Danae Bixler, MD, of the CDC in Atlanta, and colleagues.

 

around 40% of Americans are considered obese 

 

and then looking at the demographic of those kids...

the () are me

Also, 45% of fatal cases were Hispanic(15.7% below poverty), 29% were non-Hispanic Black(18.8% below poverty), and 4% were non-Hispanic American Indian/Alaska Native. now those white guys(9.6% below poverty)

 

sucks to be sick, poor and a minority i guess.

 

just incase you want to break your heart 

 

Most deaths were in pediatric patients ages 10-20, with a median age of 16 (IQR 7-19); but 10% were in infants and 20% were in children 1-9.

 

damn if those 1yrs just did that 10min mile they still be chewing on erasers.

 

to be clear 

 

Virtually all of the pediatric deaths met the COVID-19 case definition, 12% met the multi-inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) case definition, and 12% met both case definitions.

 

this is simply put not the hill you wanna die on...

[ebice]

5 hours ago, earthscar said:

fun tidbit for you non amercian ????

 

Link to full artcle so you can see wher the numbers are from 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-cases-deaths-notably-worse-035707646.html

 

 

By the looks of it, Republican attacks on masks and COVID-19 vaccines don’t seem to be particularly healthy for people living in red states. In several instances in recent months, both COVID-19 cases and deaths are notably higher in Republican states than in Democratic blue states, according to an analysis of data by The Washington Post.

The Post said the analysis reveals the “inescapable overlap of pandemic and politics.”

In a single, obvious example, of 54,000 people who have died since late June, in the latest wave of COVID-19, nearly 1 in 5 has died in Florida, where GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis battles against wearing masks. So a state with just 6% of the nation’s population accounts for 18% of the nation’s COVID-19 deaths this summer, the Post reported Friday.

 

numbers are fun 

 

Of the 18 states that have new death totals higher than the national average, 14 voted for Trump

Pretty sure red state Florida now has the lowest covid infection rate in America, as of a few days ago.

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, earthscar said:

so did you come down w/ lying or omitting w/ him since he stated

 

Mike Schultz, 43, says he weighed about 190 pounds and had no underlying health conditions

 

since we can't know if he is lying then short of that we have to assume he is not lieing. you think he is a lib w/ a agenda?

 

https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2020/march/whats-an-underlying-condition-/

 

goes over what a underlying condition is since you seem a bit spotty on it. very nicely the artcle also says 

 

Of course, there is a smaller number of otherwise healthy individuals who can develop severe infection,

 

so i mean F those guys they where just not healthy enough..def will not be you. as you said you more healthy then him.

 

even if you are healthy something for you to look forward to possibly

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html

 

decent chance you wont be running so much after. but who believes the cdc right.

No, I don't know anything in regards to his health.  Don't know the bloke.  Why does he have to be lying? Are you angry at hello?

 

If I posted a picture of an obese man with Covid, what would that tell you? Nothing is my guess or at least I hope you wouldn't draw conclusions from the picture.  Try science and data it might help.  Are you a conservative?  Us real libs like to rationally look at data.

 

The long Covid rant was cute.  All the boxers, futbol, and basketball players seem to just fine after getting Covid.  Sure there are exceptions and sometimes people have lasting issues from a stubbed toe.  For such a macho angry dude your fear is blinding you.   

Edited October 30, 2021 by atpeace

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, ebice said:

Pretty sure red state Florida now has the lowest covid infection rate in America, as of a few days ago.

And the situation a month ago has now passed into the realm of myths and legends?