Swiss tourist dead, believed raped, murdered in Phuket Sandbox

[anchadian]

A press conference on the murder case of Nicole Sauvain-Weisskopf in Phuket, by the province governor Narong Woonciew and Andrea Kotas Tammathin, Swiss Honorary Consulate in Phuket. #Phuket #ThailandNews #TheNationThailand

https://twitter.com/Thenationth/status/1423493512666914817

 

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

could be the work of a taxi driver or similar

what is your problem with taxi drivers? most are honest hard working people

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

2 hours ago, dlclark97 said:

RIP.  A BIG BLACK MARK on the Sandbox efforts.  Something Thailand did not need at this time.

i just asked , few days ago, my hotel receptionist, if it is safe here, because so easy to break

into my room. she answered : "oh no worry, the owner is one big police..."

 

 

[Caldera]

RIP to the lady and my condolences to her family and friends. Horrible news.

 

That's a major blow to "Safe and Trusted Thailand", to have a murdered tourist on their hands after merely a month and among a group of just about 15,000 tourists in total.

 

If all the Burmese migrant workers are "bubbled and sealed", they might actually have to arrest a Thai for this crime this time around. Hopefully they'll make a sincere effort to find the real perpetrator(s)..

[Jimbo2014]

Oh dear, the worst thing at the worst time.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

26 minutes ago, villerupt said:

 

Sand box killer

 

 Now forget Swiss tourists in Thailand

 

 

a bit of a leap to say that

minimalist thinking ...

if he will turn out to be a serial killer, he will definately be called THE SAND BOX KILLER

but he must hurry, before the pandemic is over.

[ArcticFox]

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Swiss tourist dead, believed raped, murdered in Phuket Sandbox

RIP Swiss Tourist
RIP Phuket Sandbox
 

 

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

2 hours ago, chang1 said:

May link her to her killer - taxi driver or even a farang. May show her stopping at or passing a restaurant with cctv with video of her being followed. Certainly could give valuable information. 

can also put you, an innocent man, in jail or under arrest, if you happaned

to visit the place just when she did.

[Seeall]

4 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

From the article in the link: “Gen Suwat will travel to the area tomorrow [Aug 6] to monitor the progress of the case by himself,”

 

Just hope he follows the rules of the sandbox system as well as check all the criteria for enter.

Dont u know that important people ate imune and cant spread c19!!!

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

It is not only the virus that is threat to 'Sandbox ' tourists ...

Being a woman , she should not travel alone , even around the island ... sickos around everywhere .

So your view is women shouldn’t travel alone…perhaps you’d also like to see the introduction of guardianship laws and the outlawing of women travelling without the consent of their husbands or family

Edited August 6, 2021 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

What I find sick is the view women shouldn’t travel alone…

Would you have advised her to go to the waterfall on her own , had she asked you ?

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

If one deals death, they deserve death.  Not necessarily retribution for the one who was killed, but to prevent others. 

 

+1

 

Absolutely!

[WingFat]

I can't even imagine what her last moments of life were like. Truly horrible is all I can come up with. My heart goes out to her family, friends, loved ones, etc. I truly hope she is in a place of peace and serenity now.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you have advised her to go to the waterfall on her own , had she asked you ?

One poster putting the blame on  the woman for what happened because she travelled alone and now another trying to say it would have been my fault because of advice I may give. 
 

Strange fellows gathering on this thread. 
 

 

[RocketDog]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why? There have been more people killed here, there are people killed everywhere.

It's just bad optics.

Safe to say it will not encourage more sandbox tourists. Emotions are not logical.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

One poster putting the blame on  the woman for what happened because she travelled alone and now another trying to say it would have been my fault because of advice I may give. 
 

Strange fellows gathering on this thread. 
 

 

People need to be aware of the dangers and the unhinged dangerous people out there that inhabit the World . 

  In an ideal world people SHOULD be able to go anywhere they like and with whom they like , unfortunately we don't live in a ideal World and people, both Male and Female , need to be aware of those dangers and take precautions .

   Same as swimming in the sea, if there are sharks or jellyfish present, or strong tides , dont go into the sea, because there are dangers there .

  Simple self preservation 

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

People need to be aware of the dangers and the unhinged dangerous people out there that inhabit the World . 

  In an ideal world people SHOULD be able to go anywhere they like and with whom they like , unfortunately we don't live in a ideal World and people, both Male and Female , need to be aware of those dangers and take precautions .

   Same as swimming in the sea, if there are sharks or jellyfish present, or strong tides , dont go into the sea, because there are dangers there .

  Simple self preservation 

No room unfortunately the Naïve folks who believe that everyone is nice and friendly.  My condolences go out to her friends and family as well as the swiss expats whom she may have been friends with. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

People need to be aware of the dangers and the unhinged dangerous people out there that inhabit the World . 

  In an ideal world people SHOULD be able to go anywhere they like and with whom they like , unfortunately we don't live in a ideal World and people, both Male and Female , need to be aware of those dangers and take precautions .

   Same as swimming in the sea, if there are sharks or jellyfish present, or strong tides , dont go into the sea, because there are dangers there .

  Simple self preservation 

The post I commented upon was victim blaming, hence my post. 

[aussienam]

4 hours ago, chang1 said:

DNA evidence can be brought up years later. The perpetrator will have a lifetime of worry even if they are not found. 

A friend of mine got pushed through a shop window and thought little of it until several years later he got charged over it after being stopped for drink driving and a DNA test was done that matched his blood on the broken glass.

Fingers crossed that firstly any crucial forensic evidence has been properly detected, preserved, collected and not cross contaminated or destroyed by people entering the crime scene.  

 

DNA evidence will depend on whether or  not the perpetrator/s left identifiable traces behind on/in the victim, her clothing, belongings or other objects in the established crime scene/s.  That extends to any other physical evidence not of a DNA nature. 

 

In acts of extreme violence like this, the crimes are often opportunistic and the offenders' generally of low intelligence. Their considerations and knowledge of hiding evidence will probably be minimal,.So chances of DNA profiles being obtained are likely higher.  

 

I am not sure how advanced the RTP DNA database is?  And I am not sure of the level of international cooperation between data sharing between Thailand and other countries. 

 

Also, I am not sure of the policies and laws in place allowing RTP to take DNA samples from offenders when they are arrested?

I would assume there are laws allowing them to obtain a DNA sample from suspects of serious crimes where DNA profiles were obtained.  But I wonder how far that extends to offenders charged with unrelated crimes where no DNA evidence was identified/required. 

If incarcerated (imprisoned) here, do prisoners provide a DNA swab as part of the prisoner registration process (like what occurs in other countries)?

 

As Phuket at the time of the offence, contained people from numerous countries abroad, there is a chance (if the offender/s are not Thai citizens) may flee the country undetected.  

 

If no suspects are identified to compare DNA profiles and if those suspects do not have the same recorded on a Thai DNA database, then the offender/s may never be caught (if solely relying on that evidence alone.  There may be other evidence gathered/to be identified)

The upside is that Phuket numbers are low and the area is contained meaning a better opportunity to filter likely suspects.

 

I hope for a swift apprehension of anyone involved. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by aussienam

[smedly]

41 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

what is your problem with taxi drivers? most are honest hard working people

I don't have a problem with taxi drivers - I was thinking about how remote this area is and how she got there - it appears it was within walking distance of her accomodation so no motorised transport required 

 

It makes this murder somewhat harder to solve as it could have been anyone that ambushed her in this remote scenic area, she likely went there alone for a walk.

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

it could have been anyone that ambushed her in this remote scenic area

still don't get what is your problem with taxi drivers.

taxi drivers ambush tourists in remote scenic areas?

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Thailand probes death of Swiss tourist near Phuket waterfall

 

Image: Thairath

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand is investigating the death of a 57-year-old Swiss tourist after her body was found near a waterfall on the resort island of Phuket, with signs she had died of unnatural causes, officials said on Friday.

 

The woman was visiting under the "Phuket Sandbox" scheme, a pilot project to allow in vaccinated foreign tourists to help revive a sector decimated by the COVID-19 pandemic, Phuket governor Narong Woonciew said, adding that she had arrived on the island on July 13.

 

The woman appeared to have been dead for three days before her body was found, partially unclothed, said Kitirath Phanpetch, commander of Region 8 police that oversees Phuket, in an interview on MCOT television.

 

Although police have not yet determined the cause of death, Foreign Ministry spokesman Tanee Sangrat expressed condolences to the Swiss Embassy in Bangkok in a statement that described the case as a "murder".

 

Thailand's Phuket tourism scheme, in which vaccinated visitors can skip COVID-19 quarantine but have to remain on the island for 14 days, has faced a difficult start particularly as the rest of Thailand faces a surge in coronavirus infections.

 

The scheme attracted about 15,000 visitors in July, its first month, just 1% of pre-pandemic arrivals

"After finishing the terms of the sandbox, she travelled to (the nearby island of) Krabi and returned," Kitirath said.

 

She stayed at a hotel in Phuket that was about two km (1.24 miles) from a waterfall where she was later found.

The body was found with swelling and bruises, Kitirath said, adding that results of an autopsy would be ready later on Friday.

 

"There was a black cloth covering the body, which suggests somebody placed it there and that the cause of death was unnatural," he said.

 

Kitirath said police were investigating people with criminal records and also migrant workers for possible involvement in the death.

 

(Reporting by Chayut Setboonsarng and Panarat Thepgumpanat; Editing by Ed Davies and Raju Gopalakrishnan)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2021-08-06

 

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[Dont confuse me]

Don't need this bad publicity right now.

Hopefully it shouldn't be difficult to trace the person(s) responsible. 

[mancub]

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why? There have been more people killed here, there are people killed everywhere.

Indeed, and not such a bad slogan for TAT to adopt as a media damage limitation exercise .

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Kitirath said police were investigating people with criminal records and also migrant workers for possible involvement in the death.

Ah huh...

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, BE88 said:

 

Sand box killer

 

 Now forget Swiss tourists in Thailand

 

Or any other Western country. I like the way they have secured the crime scene.

[DUNROAMIN]

5 hours ago, BE88 said:

 

Sand box killer

 

 Now forget Swiss tourists in Thailand

 

I think once media cover all around the world Phuket have no tourists.

[DUNROAMIN]

Another nail in the coffin. 

[smedly]

30 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

still don't get what is your problem with taxi drivers.

taxi drivers ambush tourists in remote scenic areas?

I have a suggestion for you since don't seem able to understand my post and seem to have a problem with them 

 

here is my post in full most of which you removed in your reply 

 

I don't have a problem with taxi drivers - I was thinking about how remote this area is and how she got there - it appears it was within walking distance of her accomodation so no motorised transport required 

 

It makes this murder somewhat harder to solve as it could have been anyone that ambushed her in this remote scenic area, she likely went there alone for a walk.

[jomtienisgood]

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

It is not only the virus that is threat to 'Sandbox ' tourists ...

Being a woman , she should not travel alone , even around the island ... sickos around everywhere .

That is a rather sexist macho remark.....