fredscats Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-delta-variant-uk-cases-vaccine-passport/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeMagnet1 Posted August 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 Incredibly misleading headline. Please read the article 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredscats Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: Incredibly misleading headline. Please read the article Coronavirus latest news: Booster plan 'urgently' needed as vaccine protection for elderly may fall below 50pc by winter Whichever way you read it,even johnson falls to 61% Plus the UK are 12 months ahead of other studies especially AZ,and boosters "urgently" needed,even Sky news now reporting Edited August 25, 2021 by fredscats 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Conspiracy troll post and reply removed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredscats Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Orac said: Must have missed that bit where he stated vaccines are a waste of time - seemed to be talking about the importance of boosters which have been on the cards for some time. Are you sure that is what he said……. Nothing about boosters,nothing Will repeat Sky news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Orac Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, fredscats said: Nothing about boosters,nothing Will repeat Sky news If it is the Dr Tim Spector interview you are referring to I am pretty certain he did not make the claim you attributed to him - it would be a pretty big turnaround given the BBC interview with him over the same study he did states: “Prof Spector said: "Waning protection is to be expected and is not a reason to not get vaccinated. “ https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58322882 if it is someone else making these claims them maybe you could back it up a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredscats Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Orac said: If it is the Dr Tim Spector interview you are referring to I am pretty certain he did not make the claim you attributed to him - it would be a pretty big turnaround given the BBC interview with him over the same study he did states: “Prof Spector said: "Waning protection is to be expected and is not a reason to not get vaccinated. “ https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58322882 if it is someone else making these claims them maybe you could back it up a bit. Sky news,will be repeated often today No mention of booster experts say we should not write off AstraZeneca's work too early. Sir John Bell, the Oxford vaccine tsar, said data based on the disease appeared to show that Pfizer's durability declines steadily but rapidly, whereas AstraZeneca's does so much less quickly. "The immunity should be longer and more durable Think AZ want to get out of the vacccine production (telegraph)https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/08/24/doubts-grow-future-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine/ Edited August 25, 2021 by fredscats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmerslife Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Quote From the article "The latest analysis from Zoe, drawing on test results from 1.2 million app users, suggested that the Pfizer jab was 88 per cent effective at preventing Covid-19 infection a month after the second dose, but that this fell to 74 per cent after five to six months." These are infection rates. How many went on to develop serious illness or, worse still, died from the infection? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Imagine what it is with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca. We already know that Sinovac has very low effectiveness. Reports of its effeciency halving every 4 months. Another mistep by the e 3 stooges running this sh** show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FridgeMagnet1 Posted August 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Imagine what it is with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca. We already know that Sinovac has very low effectiveness. Reports of its effeciency halving every 4 months. Another mistep by the e 3 stooges running this sh** show. “Imagine what it is” that’s what you are reduced to now. Imagining things and posting them on a forums Edited August 25, 2021 by FridgeMagnet1 3 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredscats Posted August 25, 2021 Author Share Posted August 25, 2021 28 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: “Imagine what it is” that’s what you are reduced to now. Imagining things and posting them on a forums Not imagination Called "breakthrough infection" and its happening (according the the head guy in infection). Two/booster vaccinations are not enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: “Imagine what it is” that’s what you are reduced to now. Imagining things and posting them on a forums SEARCH Study shows antibodies drop by 50% every 40 days after 2 doses of Sinovac. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/study-shows-antibodies-drop-by-50-every-40-days-after-2-doses-of-sinovac Edited August 25, 2021 by MrJ2U 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 53 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: “Imagine what it is” that’s what you are reduced to now. Imagining things and posting them on a forums Thai study shows antibody levels after 2 doses of Sinovac drop 50% every 40 days July 13, 2021 https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-study-shows-antibody-levels-after-2-doses-of-sinovac-drop-50-every-40-days/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Farmerslife said: From the article "The latest analysis from Zoe, drawing on test results from 1.2 million app users, suggested that the Pfizer jab was 88 per cent effective at preventing Covid-19 infection a month after the second dose, but that this fell to 74 per cent after five to six months." These are infection rates. How many went on to develop serious illness or, worse still, died from the infection? Don't you have a link to the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Don't you have a link to the article? https://covid.joinzoe.com/blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Thai study shows antibody levels after 2 doses of Sinovac drop 50% every 40 days July 13, 2021 https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-study-shows-antibody-levels-after-2-doses-of-sinovac-drop-50-every-40-days/ You’ve had this pointed out to you again and again, but you chose to ignore it 1 last time The study only lasted 60 days, so the headline that the antibody level drops 50% every 40 days is complete rubbish. That’s not what the study says at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FridgeMagnet1 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: SEARCH Study shows antibodies drop by 50% every 40 days after 2 doses of Sinovac. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/study-shows-antibodies-drop-by-50-every-40-days-after-2-doses-of-sinovac Like talking to a 13 year old, isn’t it? @placeholder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post impulse Posted August 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: Thai study shows antibody levels after 2 doses of Sinovac drop 50% every 40 days 50+ years after my measles and polio jabs, my antibody levels to measles and polio are down to pretty much (but not completely) zero. Yet, I'm still protected from measles and polio. Antibody level is not the same as efficacy, nor immunity. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: You’ve had this pointed out to you again and again, but you chose to ignore it 1 last time The study only lasted 60 days, so the headline that the antibody level drops 50% every 40 days is complete rubbish. That’s not what the study says at all Your a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: SEARCH Study shows antibodies drop by 50% every 40 days after 2 doses of Sinovac. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/study-shows-antibodies-drop-by-50-every-40-days-after-2-doses-of-sinovac Antibodies dropping does not equation to protection dropping. Only large scale studies of those vaccinated can tell that Information. You are forgetting the activity of B and T cells. As I see it, two vaccines is enough. Then followed by natural infecton that will give a broader range of protection as only natural infection induces antibodies to attack the whole protein structure of the virus (not just the spike protein). I would only take a booster shot if it was one specific for the delta varinant (or whatever the next major variant will be). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, impulse said: 50+ years after my measles and polio jabs, my antibody levels to measles and polio are down to pretty much (but not completely) zero. Yet, I'm still protected from measles and polio. Antibody level is not the same as efficacy, nor immunity. Yes, antibodies are the short term arm of protection. They never last that long and are not supposed to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, impulse said: 50+ years after my measles and polio jabs, my antibody levels to measles and polio are down to pretty much (but not completely) zero. Yet, I'm still protected from measles and polio. Antibody level is not the same as efficacy, nor immunity. Its the same and its not good news if you have taken Sinovac. I recommend you stay home with your mother until you get a you're 3rd or 4th booster shots. I've never seen anyone so enthralled with a substandard vaccine. It's odd to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 1 minute ago, DavisH said: Antibodies dropping does not equation to protection dropping. Only large scale studies of those vaccinated can tell that Information. You are forgetting the activity of B and T cells. As I see it, two vaccines is enough. Then followed by natural infecton that will give a broader range of protection as only natural infection induces antibodies to attack the whole protein structure of the virus (not just the spike protein). I would only take a booster shot if it was one specific for the delta varinant (or whatever the next major variant will be). Its related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, DavisH said: Antibodies dropping does not equation to protection dropping. Only large scale studies of those vaccinated can tell that Information. You are forgetting the activity of B and T cells. As I see it, two vaccines is enough. Then followed by natural infecton that will give a broader range of protection as only natural infection induces antibodies to attack the whole protein structure of the virus (not just the spike protein). I would only take a booster shot if it was one specific for the delta varinant (or whatever the next major variant will be). It's an important to know low antibodies corelates to ones ability to fight of the virus. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/23/1029827996/new-evidence-points-to-antibodies-as-a-reliable-indicator-of-vaccine-protection Edited August 25, 2021 by MrJ2U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 12 hours ago, DavisH said: Yes, antibodies are the short term arm of protection. They never last that long and are not supposed to. New Evidence Points To Antibodies As A Reliable Indicator Of Vaccine Protection August 23, 20215:00 AM ET https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/23/1029827996/new-evidence-points-to-antibodies-as-a-reliable-indicator-of-vaccine-protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, impulse said: 50+ years after my measles and polio jabs, my antibody levels to measles and polio are down to pretty much (but not completely) zero. Yet, I'm still protected from measles and polio. Antibody level is not the same as efficacy, nor immunity. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/23/1029827996/new-evidence-points-to-antibodies-as-a-reliable-indicator-of-vaccine-protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 36 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said: Like talking to a 13 year old, isn’t it? @placeholder https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/23/1029827996/new-evidence-points-to-antibodies-as-a-reliable-indicator-of-vaccine-protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanada Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, MrJ2U said: https://covid.joinzoe.com/blog Seriously is there something wrong with you….give us all a break from you….please!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJ2U Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kanada said: Seriously is there something wrong with you….give us all a break from you….please!! Oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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