5 hours ago, mahtin said:

I don't know anything about art, but I know what I like.

I don't know anything about medicine, but I read, so I know what I want.

My body, my choice.

No age limit for Darwin award.

A lot of bored trolls here. 

 

OK, ill ask, what are you talking about? 

3 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

As stated: 
From Monday 

Arrival from Thailand into the U.K. will earn you a 10 ( not 14 ) day stay at an approved establishment (?) I.e. some hotel, due to the U.K. putting Thailand on their red list. You will pay £2,285 for the privilege .

You can bypass this by staying 10 days en route in Dubai or elsewhere if you desire.

I believe vaccine type is irrelevant in entering the U.K..

Intersting, thanks

3 hours ago, onekoolguy said:

I also took 1 sinovac and am due to get AZ on sept 7th.  I plan to go to the USA on 12 Sept.  At first I thought I would take the AZ on the 7th and then take a booster when in the usa? However not to mention the health risks there is the problem of what various countries consider fully vaccinated? Many don't accept a mix. So maybe I can take a J&J as a third jab but not sure of the timing? I am now thinking that the better idea is to not take the AZ on the 7th and instead wait and take 2 of the Pfizer which now has full FDA approval. That would solve the acceptance of vaccination question.  I can get into the usa with just a covid negative test. No quarantine and vaccines of choice available everywhere. Just walk in and request. You might need to get before going to the UK to avoid quarantine? Call around and try to find where you might get the Pfizer vaccine if you have the time?

Interesting, thanks. 

So if I don't take the second one, Astra, I could take 2 Moderna. Hmm confused. 

I guess if I take Astra, then I'll still need two Moderna to satisfy some countries 

5 hours ago, itsari said:

I read the link you sent , thank you . 

The article in no way is saying the mrna vaccines are safe . 

All vaccines have a risk factor . 

Many new technologies have been progressing over many years . That does not make them safe 

Don't take it then. 

Just now, MrJ2U said:

Don't take it then. 

nah .....  china made this problem and would you trust them to take their medicine   ?

I got Pfizer booked already .....   you can also.

20 minutes ago, steven100 said:

nah .....  china made this problem and would you trust them to take their medicine   ?

I got Pfizer booked already .....   you can also.

I was replying to an antvaxer who says mRNA are dangerous and untested.

 

Didn't feel like arguing, waist of time with clueless anti antivaxers.

 I just had today they Az Vaccine when would be the safest how many months from now can I get the American vaccine and be safe somebody said three months somebody said six months

I was referring to the Moderna after the complete Sinovac inoculation.

On 8/27/2021 at 9:39 AM, toston said:

certainly safer than experimental mARN vaccine...

 

 

Experimental... depends what YOU determine to be experimental. mRNA vaccines has been worked on since the 80's. In early 2000's they were in advanced stages of development with positive and promising results, and were published in a number of medical publications. By the time Covid came around, mRNA vaccines for influenza had been in development for a decade, with Moderna beginning in 2010 and BioNTech in 2013.

 

40 years of research and development of vaccines for HIV resulted in the development of algorithms to identify molecular structures optimized for vaccines. With the help of the full sequence of the SARS virus from 2003, full sequence of MERS virus from 2012 (both Coronaviruses closely related nCov-19), a full sequence of Novel Coronavirus was made rather quickly, and the fact that vaccines for Coronaviruses had been in making since SARS, with human testing trails already beginning in December 2004, and had been ongoing ever since, making a Covid-19 vaccine would be a lot faster than actually starting from scratch.

 

Decades of research, development and testing is what lead to the fast development Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

 

Experimental? In the realm of science yes, as excruciating amount of data, testing, evidence and peer-reviews is the standard of requirements, and getting vaccines approved is normally very time consuming and costly with years of testing (just in case, despite vaccines, including related vaccines, having a history of being very safe) and multiple reviews through several medical and government bodies. Meaning, the developers of the vaccines deem the vaccines safe for human use many years before actually being approved.

 

In this case, corners in the approval process were cut due to the severity of crisis of the pandemic. Corners weren't cut in the development process, in case that's what you thought and why you called it experimental.

Both Pfizer and Modera have just approved for full use by US FDA.

 

I know people who have had SV, SV months ago and now had 2 x AZ back in UK. 
Other friends had Double Sinopharm in Bahrain and now had first dose of AZ last week. 
 

I was double dosed SV in Thailand and had my first Pfizer 2 weeks ago back in UK and the guy giving out the vaccines (not a doctor) said it was quite common for people to have had 4 vaccines due to different counties not recognizing different vaccines. I asked if there was any safety issues with this and he just laughed and said it’s only a vaccine, not brain surgery.  

On 8/27/2021 at 7:29 AM, KannikaP said:

COMIRNATY formerly Pfizer! 

That's right. There is so far only one Covid-19 vaccine by BioNTech-Pfizer: Comirnaty®, formerly Covernaty™; now fully approved by the US FDA, previously approved for emergency use.

On 8/26/2021 at 4:47 PM, Neeranam said:

I am quite optimistic about getting Moderna in Oct. 

And catching Covid in September?

az is  the jab that  keeps  most brits out of iCU ,more so than pfizer

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

And catching Covid in September?

Hopefully not.

On 8/26/2021 at 7:41 PM, KhunBENQ said:

Found this on the LINE timeline of THG (hospital group offering Moderna):

 

 

They recommend to wait 3 months after a AZ shot  (as 2nd shot) before getting a Moderna booster.

After a single AZ wait 2 months.

After one or two China shots, wait 1 month.

And have two Moderna after a single China shot.

I wonder about the science behind those protocols. This is a private hospital trying to sell Moderna. I've had 2 az, but would not consider any booster until next year - and most likely wait for 2nd generation vaccines (actuallly natural infection is the way to get a broader immunity). Nothing beats being exposed to the virus - the vaccine is just some insurance against hospitalisation / death). 

6 hours ago, DavisH said:

I wonder about the science behind those protocols. This is a private hospital trying to sell Moderna. I've had 2 az, but would not consider any booster until next year - and most likely wait for 2nd generation vaccines (actuallly natural infection is the way to get a broader immunity). Nothing beats being exposed to the virus - the vaccine is just some insurance against hospitalisation / death). 

So even if you die from being infected by the virus, you still win?

Over a billion doses of Sinovac have been administered so far, so there should be enough data out there for people to make an informed choice.

it’s neither dangerous nor “<deleted>”

 

14 hours ago, Dickp said:

Both Pfizer and Modera have just approved for full use by US FDA.

 

Actually, only Pfizer has been approved for full use on adults by the US FDA. Moderna should be approved shortly.

3 hours ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

Over a billion doses of Sinovac have been administered so far, so there should be enough data out there for people to make an informed choice.

it’s neither dangerous nor “<deleted>”

 

Well, there really isn't enough information to make an informed choice about how effective it is against preventing hospitalizations and deaths against the Delta variant. But there is plenty of evidence via large real world studies that Sinovac's vaccine is not dangerous.

On 8/29/2021 at 8:40 AM, placeholder said:

Well, there really isn't enough information to make an informed choice about how effective it is against preventing hospitalizations and deaths against the Delta variant. But there is plenty of evidence via large real world studies that Sinovac's vaccine is not dangerous.

 

China Misses Target on Approval of BioNTech-Pfizer Shot, Raising Questions

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-misses-target-on-approval-of-biontech-pfizer-shot-raising-questions/ar-AANOBVX?li=BBnb7Kz

On 8/27/2021 at 5:40 PM, Neeranam said:

Interesting, thanks. 

So if I don't take the second one, Astra, I could take 2 Moderna. Hmm confused. 

I guess if I take Astra, then I'll still need two Moderna to satisfy some countries 

Actually 2 AZ jabs will satisfy more countries requirements than any other combination.

Sinovac vaccine is still reasonably effective against Delta, as long as you’ve had both doses. 59% effective against infection, 70% against moderate disease, and ~100% against severe disease.
 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34396940/

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, FridgeMagnet1 said:

Sinovac vaccine is still reasonably effective against Delta, as long as you’ve had both doses. 59% effective against infection, 70% against moderate disease, and ~100% against severe disease.
 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34396940/

That was a very small study.

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That was a very small study.

You have shamed me 

On 8/27/2021 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

As stated: 
From Monday 

Arrival from Thailand into the U.K. will earn you a 10 ( not 14 ) day stay at an approved establishment (?) I.e. some hotel, due to the U.K. putting Thailand on their red list. You will pay £2,285 for the privilege .

You can bypass this by staying 10 days en route in Dubai or elsewhere if you desire.

I believe vaccine type is irrelevant in entering the U.K..

Thank you for that interesting point, but what if you still have not had the vaccine here in Thai.? I am happy if it has to be to pay but not in some airport hotel in the U.K., not £2280.  But would fly via other route to the U.K. if it means self quarantine at the end of the route at U.K. home.