Linked vaccination records from outside of Thailand

[bolt]

Hi I’m not sure where to post this so bear with me.

 

I’ve been vaccinated 2 times outside of Thailand, and I have travelled to Thailand since being vaccinated, I entered 2 times 1^st Bangkok ASQ and  2^nd Phuket Sandbox.

When I was leaving LOS to return to work I went for a PCR test at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, and during a quick consolation with the Doctor she mentioned that her records show I already had been vaccinated. I suppose the point to my post is that even though I was vaccinated outside of Thailand its still recognized and its in the Thai database, this will be a requirement for many reasons in 2022 so my post is to assure anyone who has or will get vaccinated outside of LOS not to worry, the Thais will have a record of that.

Of course keep many copies of your vaccine and dates etc.

[Puccini]

Could it be that your vaccination data was entered in the Thai database after your Certificate of Entry (CoE) was approved?

 

[MrJ2U]

They don't have records of your health history.

 

At least not from the USA or European Union.

 

There not allowed to share your medical information without your consent.

 

I wouldn't want Thailand to have all my personal medical information.  

 

They constantly have data breaches. 

They don't understand encryption let alone even how to create a descent webpage.

 

Bangkok Airways just had huge data breach today for example.

 

I'd find out how they have your medical information.

[richard_smith237]

9 hours ago, bolt said:

 

Hi I’m not sure where to post this so bear with me.

 

I’ve been vaccinated 2 times outside of Thailand, and I have travelled to Thailand since being vaccinated, I entered 2 times 1^st Bangkok ASQ and  2^nd Phuket Sandbox.

When I was leaving LOS to return to work I went for a PCR test at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya, and during a quick consolation with the Doctor she mentioned that her records show I already had been vaccinated. I suppose the point to my post is that even though I was vaccinated outside of Thailand its still recognized and its in the Thai database, this will be a requirement for many reasons in 2022 so my post is to assure anyone who has or will get vaccinated outside of LOS not to worry, the Thais will have a record of that.

Of course keep many copies of your vaccine and dates etc.

 

 

That interesting. I am in exactly the same situation as you. 

 

It would be really interesting to know. There was another thread the subject of which was the restaurants opening up to vaccinated people. Obviously the Mor Promp App would be used to show proof of vaccination.

 

But, that App only works for ‘those vaccinated in Thailand’... Thus, IF after ‘SandBox’ entry there is some form of of link to and record in the Ministry of Public Health it may be easier for those vaccinated outside to secure locally accepted proof of vaccination. 

 

 

 

[bolt]

14 hours ago, Puccini said:

Could it be that your vaccination data was entered in the Thai database after your Certificate of Entry (CoE) was approved?

 

I’m sure my details were shared and stored in Thailand whilst obtaining my COE.

 

We could go on about privacy and how we don’t want our information being used and shared, but come on get real people. If you want to enter Thailand you must submit certain documents to the Thai Government, if you don’t want your personal information shared or used elsewhere then don’t come to Thailand.

 

Longer term sharing of information will help you enter certain places such as malls. Gyms restaurant’s golf courses, Cinema etc

This is the world now and we have to adapt

[bolt]

14 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

They don't have records of your health history.

 

At least not from the USA or European Union.

 

There not allowed to share your medical information without your consent.

 

I wouldn't want Thailand to have all my personal medical information.  

 

They constantly have data breaches. 

They don't understand encryption let alone even how to create a descent webpage.

 

Bangkok Airways just had huge data breach today for example.

 

I'd find out how they have your medical information.

i don't care how or why, i have used the COE route 3 times since Pandemic, so they have information stored about me, i also have a valid O-A Visa with driving license etc.

[mtls2005]

On 8/28/2021 at 9:57 AM, bolt said:

Doctor she mentioned that her records show I already had been vaccinated.

Curious. Wonder what system she was using? Internal hospital? Link to MoPH?

 

Q: How did your vaccination status make its way onto a hospital's database?

 

On 8/28/2021 at 9:57 AM, bolt said:

I was vaccinated outside of Thailand its still recognized and its in the Thai database

 

Would be great to understand how this was effected? Be nice if the 90-day online reporting system was similarly "connected"?

 

I guess the MoFA/DCA in embassies and consulates could enter this information into their database when granting the CoE. (ASQ folks may be vaccinated too.) And then transmit it to the MoPH. Not sure what ID they use given the variance in passport numbers? But then how does BPH get to see that? By dipping into a MoPH DB?

 

Whatever document was used for a CoE is surely good enough to prove vaccination status once in Thailand? 

 

 

 

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, bolt said:

i don't care how or why, i have used the COE route 3 times since Pandemic, so they have information stored about me, i also have a valid O-A Visa with driving license etc.

I was just mentioning it was unusual that a foreign country has your health records from your home country without you not consenting.

 

I'd be like,  " How did you get that information?"

 

But your fine with that great, I guess.

 

Its worrying because if you apply for insurance in Thailand they may have all your ailments on record also from your country.

 

In my case could raise rates or even disqualify me from some types of insurance.

Edited August 29, 2021 by MrJ2U

[bolt]

39 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Curious. Wonder what system she was using? Internal hospital? Link to MoPH?

 

Q: How did your vaccination status make its way onto a hospital's database?

Not sure what ID they use given the variance in passport numbers? But then how does BPH get to see that? By dipping into a MoPH DB?

 

Whatever document was used for a CoE is surely good enough to prove vaccination status once in Thailand? 

 

The Hospital must have access to some sort of Central datbase from CDCC or MOPH, I can only be linked with my Passport, which has country-Nationality and number its fairly easy, but having our information open to ALL helps in this circumstance.

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, bolt said:

The Hospital must have access to some sort of Central datbase from CDCC or MOPH

 

Understood.

 

But how does that get you into the gym?

 

Does the gym call your doctor? Do they have access to BPH's DB?

 

Getting foreign vaccination records into a Thai system (MoPH), like Mor Prom, may be challenging?

 

 

For many vaccinated here, we were given a Thai 13-digit Thai ID number as part of the vaccination process, and with that our vaccination records can be accessed with the Mor Prom app. And everyone probably as a piece of paper which should be sufficient.

 

 

 

 

[bolt]

34 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Understood.

 

But how does that get you into the gym?

 

Does the gym call your doctor? Do they have access to BPH's DB?

 

Getting foreign vaccination records into a Thai system (MoPH), like Mor Prom, may be challenging?

 

For many vaccinated here, we were given a Thai 13-digit Thai ID number as part of the vaccination process, and with that our vaccination records can be accessed with the Mor Prom app. And everyone probably as a piece of paper which should be sufficient.

 

I dont know about that Mor Prom app, we have a similar system here which has an government approved app showing different colours-status of each person

You have to show the app to enter bars-Malls-Gyms I don’t know how the mange this for tourists as they will be visiting for a short period, but an answer has to come longer term.

I’m wondering how it will change later to end of this year.

For example

If you’re a tourist how can you show you have proof of vaccination, I had to use the Mor Chana app when I was in Phuket but the app only has information related to your location, the vaccination status is not in that app.

 

So your right about that

I wonder how they’ll manage tourists or temporary visitors to the country, a different application is an option, but for how long can you be a tourist, and can you join the MOR Prom app without a Thailand vaccination???

[chilly07]

They can't link databases within Thailand so how do you expect linkage outside Thailand?

[bolt]

1 hour ago, chilly07 said:

They can't link databases within Thailand so how do you expect linkage outside Thailand?

if they Can't as you said, can you explain why my details from one place were accessed from another ??

 

[sandyf]

53 minutes ago, bolt said:

if they Can't as you said, can you explain why my details from one place were accessed from another ??

 

They can link what they want when they want, irrespective of the views on this forum.

My hospital registered me on Mor Phrom and my wife registered both of us with the local authority. When she went to pick up her appointment card from the local authority she saw my name on the list with the Mor Phrom appointment against it.

Some functions in Thailand are deliberately not linked so local administration can set their own rules.

As suggested, your info probably came from the COE application. I had one jab in Thailand and one in England and unfortunately know for a fact there is no link between the two, a problem I have yet to resolve.

[khunjeff]

In the very early days of the Phuket Sandbox, travelers were being told by Thai embassies and consulates abroad that their COEs would be delayed because their uploaded vaccine certificates had to be transmitted back to Bangkok (MOPH, I guess) for review and approval. Were those records somehow linked to a Thai vaccination database at that point? It seems very unlikely, but I suppose anything is possible.

[scorecard]

22 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

That interesting. I am in exactly the same situation as you. 

 

It would be really interesting to know. There was another thread the subject of which was the restaurants opening up to vaccinated people. Obviously the Mor Promp App would be used to show proof of vaccination.

 

But, that App only works for ‘those vaccinated in Thailand’... Thus, IF after ‘SandBox’ entry there is some form of of link to and record in the Ministry of Public Health it may be easier for those vaccinated outside to secure locally accepted proof of vaccination. 

 

 

 

Now stand by for the 'anti-vakers' and the 'violation of my freedoms' folks to yell. 

Actually I'm quite OK for airlines and others to be able to check online internationally, because millions will try to use fake vaccine certificates/immunization records etc. 

Edited August 29, 2021 by scorecard

[bolt]

Some airlines now have a “verified to fly” which basically mean you have to send all required documents to the airline before you check in.

If you have sent everything and it’s all approved, then you can go to the fast track counter at check in.

 

This will be the future, IATA has an app now which can list store your passport, vaccination documents and latest test requirements

 

Information about IATA Travel Pass

The IATA Travel Pass provides:

·         Governments with the means to verify the authenticity of tests or vaccinations and the identity of those presenting their certificates.

·         Airlines with the ability to provide accurate information to their passengers on test requirements and verify that a passenger meets the requirements for travel.

·         Laboratories with the means to issue certificates to passengers that will be recognized by governments, and

·         Travelers with accurate information on test requirements, where they can get tested or vaccinated, and the means to securely convey the results/certificates to airlines and border authorities

 

the IATA app is to speed up waiting time at airports and immigration, I've travelled 3 times to LOS in last 12 months and coming and going is really slow now. minimum 1 hour.

[mtls2005]

21 hours ago, bolt said:

we have a similar system here

 

When you say "here", you mean "where" exactly?

 

Still curious how BPH got your foreign vaccination history, unless you informed them of this.

 

 

I think people are overly concerned about vaccination proof, as it pertains to the upcoming "opening" in Thailand.

 

Any document will be acceptable, until the government comes up with some unmanageable, unreliable, non-working "system" or app.

 

 

 

 

[bolt]

51 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

When you say "here", you mean "where" exactly?

 

Still curious how BPH got your foreign vaccination history, unless you informed them of this.

 

 

I think people are overly concerned about vaccination proof, as it pertains to the upcoming "opening" in Thailand.

 

Any document will be acceptable, until the government comes up with some unmanageable, unreliable, non-working "system" or app.

 

I don’t really want to say where I am, as that can open up another discussion and will deflect this topic.

 

As to opening up Thailand, we ALL must share our details, records and other information that’s the only way to be allowed to enter Thailand or any other country now, before the pandemic it was different, now its completely different and we ALL have to accept the world has moved on, even Roland knows that now.

[mtls2005]

45 minutes ago, bolt said:

I don’t really want to say where I am, as that can open up another discussion and will deflect this topic.

OK, but it is safe to say that you are NOT in Thailand?

 

46 minutes ago, bolt said:

As to opening up Thailand, we ALL must share our details, records and other information

 

As it pertains to vaccinations? COVID tests? Yes.

 

We'll provide whatever the government requires. We can always decline, and go elsewhere.

 

Now when they start asking for my bank account and ATM PW, while brandishing a plastic bag, I'll probably cave.