AZ covid jab made in Thailand

[howzat]

Can’t find any info either here or in U.K. as to when the vaccine likely to be approved in U.K. or why it is taking so long to approve. 

[CharlieH]

Not a forum support issue,

 

MOVED to Covid forum

[Chomper Higgot]

It’s not the vaccine that needs approval, it’s the ‘vaccination program’.

 

From the UK Government (England) website:

 

”

This applies if you’re fully vaccinated under either:

the UK vaccination programme

the UK vaccine programme overseas

an approved vaccination programme in Europe or the USA - not all are recognised in England”

 

Thailand’s vaccination program is not recognized by the UK as an exemption to UK vaccination regulations.

[bradiston]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not the vaccine that needs approval, it’s the ‘vaccination program’.

 

From the UK Government (England) website:

 

”

This applies if you’re fully vaccinated under either:

the UK vaccination programme

the UK vaccine programme overseas

an approved vaccination programme in Europe or the USA - not all are recognised in England”

 

Thailand’s vaccination program is not recognized by the UK as an exemption to UK vaccination regulations.

Need links to sources. "This applies" - what applies?

 

So any Vax program outside Europe and USA isn't recognised? That would appear to exclude billions of people. Asia, Far East, SE Asia, Middle East, South America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. And all HGV drivers, I guess. 

[Sheryl]

2 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Need links to sources. "This applies" - what applies?

 

So any Vax program outside Europe and USA isn't recognised? That would appear to exclude billions of people. Asia, Far East, SE Asia, Middle East, South America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. And all HGV drivers, I guess. 

Definitive source:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#green-list

 

Check often as it changes

 

Currently Thailand is on the "red" list so vaccination status makes no difference, quarantine required on entry

 

For countries on amber list, must have received vaccine in US, EU or UK to avoid quarantine. And yes, this excludes many, many people. The term "program" is confusing. What they mean is place of vaccination as well as type of vaccine.

 

For countries on green list, no quarantine required even if unvaccinated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DefaultName]

My take is that they'd have to be sure that it works to approve it, but they can't trust the program record keeping, or the figures released, from here.

[BumGun]

 

1 hour ago, bradiston said:

So any Vax program outside Europe and USA isn't recognised? That would appear to exclude billions of people. Asia, Far East, SE Asia, Middle East, South America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. And all HGV drivers, I guess. 

That is also currently the situation here in Australia, AFAIK. They are working here to change that but who knows what that will look like.

 

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The US does not recognise the Astra vaccine at all AFAIK.

[MrJ2U]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Definitive source:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#green-list

 

Check often as it changes

 

Currently Thailand is on the "red" list so vaccination status makes no difference, quarantine required on entry

 

For countries on amber list, must have received vaccine in US, EU or UK to avoid quarantine. And yes, this excludes many, many people. The term "program" is confusing. What they mean is place of vaccination as well as type of vaccine.

 

For countries on green list, no quarantine required even if unvaccinated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks again for precise and informative post.

[khunjeff]

1 hour ago, BumGun said:

The US does not recognise the Astra vaccine at all AFAIK.

In the case of the US, the vaccination question is not so important, since it doesn't affect entry into the country at all - a negative Covid test is needed regardless of vaccination status, and no quarantine is required even for unvaccinated travelers.

 

That having been said, while it's true that no version of AZ has been authorized for use within the US, the US CDC does "recognize" it in the sense of accepting it as a real vaccine for those who were inoculated abroad:

 

"COVID-19 vaccines neither approved nor authorized by FDA but listed for emergency use by the World Health Organization (WHO):

• People who have received all recommended doses of a COVID-19 vaccine that is listed for emergency use by WHO do not need any additional doses with an FDA-approved or FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccine."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html

Edited September 12, 2021 by khunjeff
Added link

[Stupooey]

The problem in Thailand is that it is generally recognised that about 25% of drugs supplied are counterfeit, even in hospitals. This will therefore be condidered as applying to Covid vaccinations as well, resulting in Thai vaccination records not being recognised worldwide. Until such time as the production and selling of counterfeit drugs is treated as attempted manslaughter - after all, many people rely on (genuine) medications to stay alive - this situation will continue.

[oldcpu]

My understanding is the Thai produced AstraZeneca is accepted as a valid vaccine in the UK, and hence 2xjabs of Thai produced AZ is assessed similar to 2xjabs of AZ produced in the UK.  There is thou, more to this than just being vaccinated.

 

Where one originates from(ie which country) as a traveler is a different matter.  One could arrive at the UK directly from Thailand after having received 2xPfizer jabs, and I think one still needs to quarantine. 

 

Sadly, NONE of the vaccines will 100% stop infection.  Their strength is typically in reducing the risk of serious illness and reducing the risk of death.   And fortunately the mRNA vaccines appear to be better than other vaccines in most all efficacy categories (infection, symptoms, death) but even the mRNA can't 100% stop infection.

[Maybole]

I suspect that nobody has asked for it.

[CartagenaWarlock]

The situation is the same for Serum Institute produced Covishield (AZ licensed producer) which is neither approved by EU or Britain.

[cormanr7]

On 9/13/2021 at 5:24 PM, CartagenaWarlock said:

The situation is the same for Serum Institute produced Covishield (AZ licensed producer) which is neither approved by EU or Britain.

Nonsense, Covishield is accepted in the EU, see this Dutch government lists which applies to all EU countries (they can make their own rules though) 

https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/visiting-the-netherlands-from-abroad/requirements-for-proof-of-vaccination, the look for approved vaccines:

 

A further separate story on Covishield in Europe can be found here: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-travel-covishield-sinopharm-sinovac-vaccines-are-most-widely-accepted-by-eu-countries-after-those-authorised-by-ema/