New Immigration Bureau boss signals new orders so police can easily track down foreign suspects in Thailand

[smedly]

I wonder how many foreign criminals there are that don't like this - there might even be few posting on this thread

[BangkokReady]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The newly installed immigration police chief wants to create a climate of fear against foreign criminals

Freudian slip there?  I assume they meant amongst.  Or they mean that they want to make Thais hate and fear foreigners even more?

[Flink]

36 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

- Visas are delivered by Embassies and Consulates whereas applicable, Embassies and Consulates are tied to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

- Immigration officers/offices are a branch of the Royal Thai Police, most likely tied to the Ministry of Interior (think Home Office).

 

From that view point it is safe to assume there is either very little communication to no communication at all between these two different ministries/branches of the government.

 

It's like going to your national electricity provider and enquiring about your water bill and vice versa, they might be bodies of the govt, however they have no access to either's database.

 

Again getting a visa applied to your travel document (passport) doesn't guarantee you a full entry into the Kingdom. It is at the discretion of the immigration.

 

TL;DR The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

Well thatis fairly obvious simply by looking at how many times you visit the same immigration office and have to produce copies of exactly the same paperwork and get your photo taken every time. I don't think the lack of communication is limited to ministries, much of the time I don't think they even communicate within the same office. Either that or immigration offices are only issued with a 256MB flash drive for storing peoples data on so they have to wipe it at the end of each shift, hence the requirement to keep bringing the same paperwork. Hmmmm, judging by the on/off nature of the online reporting systems here I don't think the second reason is too far off the mark....

[NanaSomchai]

20 minutes ago, Joules said:

Frankly, I don't like being singled out for extra scrutiny because of my race.   This is no longer a good destination for anybody of European descent.  Not for tourism, retirement or anything else.   Things were different here when I went "all in."  If I had it to do again, I would not choose this place!

I could not agree more with that statement of yours, if only I had known back then what I know now...

[Flink]

21 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

As another old saying goes "Old broom knows all the corners".

 

Just a pity they don't use brooms much in the RTP.........................

No, but apparently they have plenty of plastic bin bags!

[bbko]

Granted the RTP has it's own share of internal problems but this guy wants to weed out foreign criminals (which is a good thing right?), what's up with the majority of posts here crapping all over the idea? 

[kiwikeith]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Considering the amount of people getting back into the country by changing or adjusting their name, they will only be denying idiot criminals entry

I wonder if these tighter measures will be applied across the board, eg JF and the car collectors.

[Flink]

4 minutes ago, bbko said:

Granted the RTP has it's own share of internal problems but this guy wants to weed out foreign criminals (which is a good thing right?), what's up with the majority of posts here crapping all over the idea? 

I am not sure they are crapping all over the IDEA per se, more about the way in which any such plan would be utilised as yet another stick to beat farangs with. We'd all like to live in a safer society but focusing all their efforts on finding/detaining/blocking foreigners is highly unlikely to improve things much. I'd like to see the RTP and IO do their little photo shoot with a farang who has overstayed or committed an offence if they would then parade out all the Thai criminals they have arrested that week for criminal activity to give us a better perspective of who the major criminals are. (having said that, the RTP kind of do that alrady by all standing there for the photo op!)

[internationalism]

6 minutes ago, bbko said:

Granted the RTP has it's own share of internal problems but this guy wants to weed out foreign criminals (which is a good thing right?), what's up with the majority of posts here crapping all over the idea? 

RTP police is corrupted, so that's why criminals can come in and stay as long as they want.

Reform police, so they won't take bribes for fake stamps and extort money later on from those illegals.

 

Million of illegal workers are able to stay and work, because they are paying 100b per day from their salaries or their employer covers those costs

[NanaSomchai]

13 minutes ago, bbko said:

Granted the RTP has it's own share of internal problems but this guy wants to weed out foreign criminals (which is a good thing right?), what's up with the majority of posts here crapping all over the idea? 

Implementations in Thailand...

 

The way to hell is paved with good intentions...

[mokwit]

24 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

I could not agree more with that statement of yours, if only I had known back then what I know now...

It wasn't like that back then. Started with Thaksin, the Hakka Chinese and his "Thailand for the Thia" rhetoric.

[mokwit]

20 minutes ago, bbko said:

Granted the RTP has it's own share of internal problems but this guy wants to weed out foreign criminals (which is a good thing right?), what's up with the majority of posts here crapping all over the idea? 

The chances are that it will affect us in some way - Thailand is not surgical precision it is group punishments.

[ThailandRyan]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The newly installed immigration police chief wants to create a climate of fear against foreign criminals who are waiting for the opportunity to use Thailand as a base for their operations

 

I am sure the criminals will be quaking in there boots and looking over their shoulders....Not.  All this will do is that those who are law obeying citizens will be harassed and that 500 baht ticket you got in the mail and forgot to pay on time will be grounds to arrest you and place you in the slammer.

Edited October 14, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Colabamumbai]

Give me the ankle bracelet. 

[Harveyboy]

5 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Hmmmm....

And what of Thai suspects? 

there aren't any they are all little angels  

[Harveyboy]

8 minutes ago, mokwit said:

The chances are that it will affect us in some way - Thailand is not surgical precision it is group punishments.

it willll affect the innocent ones i can see harder measures for us to stay here .... as if there's not enough ..good luck with those millionaires.. 

[OishiRefill]

35 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

I could not agree more with that statement of yours, if only I had known back then what I know now...

...and my thoughts align with yours. To add, the reasons that I remain here in Thailand are very different to the reasons why I came here  in a "do or die" "sell all" "this is it!" kind of way. Now that the rose tinted glasses have aged and eventually broken, and the initial narrow 'surface only' experience of being a farang in Thailand has been steadily and surely replaced with cold reality, I too reflect on my decision to set up shop here. Sometimes wondering what would be, had I picked another destination or even not emigrated at all. Been said a hundred times but, a tourist only sees the smiles and the service attitude when bunging out baht at every intersection, which gives an illusion.

 

The last thing that farang immigrants here need are for the natives to be ratcheted up another notch with regard to their fear and/or distrust of westerners. I could be flamed for suggesting it but, it's likely IMO that a few rotten apples have, over the space of a few decades, spoiled the perception of the whole bunch of us. 

[BusyB]

6 hours ago, Chad3000 said:

⭐????????????Welcome millionaires!!????????????⭐

 

 

Good move! ????I mean we are all rapists and thieves anyway. Right????

And disease vectors ...

[Kaopad999]

Good!
Far too many foreign criminals floating around in this country. You only have to go to places like Pattaya, and you can spot them from a mile away.

[mokwit]

22 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Good!
Far too many foreign criminals floating around in this country. You only have to go to places like Pattaya, and you can spot them from a mile away.

Any pointers as to how they [criminals ] can be spotted (from a mile away) - do they wear black and white chain gang style suits? something else? Tattoos? Shaved heads?

[timkeen08]

It always seems to be the same rampant repenting state of maturity and intellect responses you get when asking a 5 year old what they want to be when they grow up.

[OishiRefill]

If knowledge of a tourist's or immigrant's history of activities outside of Thailand is not easily available to the authorities, then there could be a form of neighbourhood watch set up. It could look something like the following; A handful of natives who regularly interact with, or who are geographically (or otherwise) positioned to be able to observe the regular/typical activities of the tourist/immigrant, could be quizzed biannually by authorities for the purpose of ascertaining whether they are "fit for Thailand" or not. Haha... I wonder if that's been proposed in a gov't meeting before.... 

[timkeen08]

9 minutes ago, timkeen08 said:

It always seems to be the same rampant repenting state of maturity and intellect responses you get when asking a 5 year old what they want to be when they grow up.

repeating

[OishiRefill]

...and heavy gold chain bracelet and necklace, a few heavy rings which could work like knuckle dusters, damaged skin from deliberate "sun bathing" (believing that it looks good in the selfies they send to their kids back home, who are also either criminals by the way or are messed up psychologically from their childhood circumstances), a strong cockney accent if from the UK, preferring to drink imported beer, have an ex-hooker wife, sit in groups exclusively comprised of others with a similar background and mindset, completely mistrusting and wary of Thai men, and probably on some fake documents - if poor and need to work as a teacher then they will have a fake BA/BSc, - if not so poor but still not rich enough for 800,000 then they will have a retirement visa or other non-O visa procured by means of paying an agency that forward cash to a corrupt immigration official. Have I missed anything?

[jacko45k]

39 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Good!
Far too many foreign criminals floating around in this country. You only have to go to places like Pattaya, and you can spot them from a mile away.

Why go all the way to Pattaya, most are in Bangkok.....

[mokwit]

2 minutes ago, OishiRefill said:

...and heavy gold chain bracelet and necklace, a few heavy rings which could work like knuckle dusters, damaged skin from deliberate "sun bathing" (believing that it looks good in the selfies they send to their kids back home, who are also either criminals by the way or are messed up psychologically from their childhood circumstances), a strong cockney accent if from the UK, preferring to drink imported beer, have an ex-hooker wife, sit in groups exclusively comprised of others with a similar background and mindset, completely mistrusting and wary of Thai men, and probably on some fake documents - if poor and need to work as a teacher then they will have a fake BA/BSc, - if not so poor but still not rich enough for 800,000 then they will have a retirement visa or other non-O visa procured by means of paying an agency that forward cash to a corrupt immigration official. Have I missed anything?

yes the fact that you just don't like them and thus accuse them of being criminals -  what ACTUAL EVIDENCE do you have that they are criminals?

[OishiRefill]

That post was humorously replying to the poster who, quite rightly, pointed out another poster that it's not possible to "spot" a criminal from the external appearance. I can't get the hang of the forum 'quote & reply' system. 

Edited October 14, 2021 by OishiRefill

[Dambuster]

Police Lieutenant General Pakpoomphiphat Sajjapan has also revealed that under new entry vetting procedures, Thailand’s Immigration Police can now halt any passenger boarding a plane for Thailand if the person is deemed a threat to the security and well being of the country. 
 

Someone may need to tell the good Police Lieutenant General that the Thai Immigration Police have no jurisdiction outside of Thailand and cannot halt anybody boarding a plane for Thailand while on another nations sovereign soil. 
 

Just sayin’

[mokwit]

Just now, mokwit said:

a few heavy rings which could work like knuckle dusters

No, your fingers would break - knuckle dusters have an extension that sits in the palm of the hand and takes the force of the impact - check out the design next time you stroll down lower Sukhumvit - you are obviously a habitue of there or Pattaya or how would you know of this definite 'type'.

[NanaSomchai]

Just now, Dambuster said:

Police Lieutenant General Pakpoomphiphat Sajjapan has also revealed that under new entry vetting procedures, Thailand’s Immigration Police can now halt any passenger boarding a plane for Thailand if the person is deemed a threat to the security and well being of the country. 
 

Someone may need to tell the good Police Lieutenant General that the Thai Immigration Police have no jurisdiction outside of Thailand and cannot halt anybody boarding a plane for Thailand while on another nations sovereign soil. 
 

Just sayin’

They are just going to do passenger pre-screening using the APIS. Not much else they can do anyhow.