Thailand's Health Minister denied entry to Switzerland for WHO meet after vax with Sinovac

[jerrymahoney]

OK it's easy in hind sight to say what should have been done. But it is really coming out now just how much of the Pfizer and Moderna supply would be available to al but the wealthiest countries and all the other middle income countries having to divide the rest.

[Jeffr2]

I'm sure some made big money off the purchase of the Chinese vaccines.

 

https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/thailand-to-join-covax-acknowledging-low-vaccine-supply/

Thailand to Join COVAX, Acknowledging Low Vaccine Supply

The country’s slow vaccine rollout has heaped pressure on Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha’s government.

 

The head of Thailand’s National Vaccine Institute apologized Wednesday for the country’s slow and inadequate rollout of coronavirus vaccines, promising it will join the U.N.-backed COVAX program to receive supplies from its pool of donated vaccines next year.

 

That explanation was later criticized when the government urgently imported Sinovac at a high price even though questions had already arisen about its efficacy.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.thaienquirer.com/23278/rejection-of-indias-vaccine-offer-adds-to-mounting-concerns-about-thailands-vaccine-program/

 

Rejection of India’s vaccine offer adds to mounting concerns about Thailand’s vaccine program

 

As the battle in Thailand continues to rage between the opposition, members of the public, and the government over Thailand’s Covid-19 vaccine acquisition program, the revelation that India offered to sell over 2 million doses of their AstraZeneca-licensed vaccine was rejected by the Thai government has raised questions about the current administration’s priorities.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, gearbox said:

Already done by other countries, tried and tested.

 

South Africa & Pfizer:  contracted: 30 mil, arrived: 11 mil. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_South_Africa#October_2021

South Africa did not sign a deal with Pfizer until the 6th April 2021, they then started arriving on the 3rd May.

 

Thailand had an opportunity to order in Nov 2020, 6 months earlier

[jerrymahoney]

59 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Make a deal and sign a contract was missing to even test your theory.

Sure. Easy. Just sign non the dotted line.

 

In secret vaccine contracts with governments, Pfizer took hard line in push for profit, report says

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/19/secret-vaccine-contracts-with-governments-pfizer-took-hard-line-push-profit-report-says/

 

“Hiding contracts from public view or publishing documents filled with redacted text means we don’t know how or when vaccines will arrive, what happens if things go wrong and the level of financial risk buyers are absorbing,” said Tom Wright, research manager at the Transparency International Health Program.

 

Pfizer exerted control over the supply of vaccine doses after contracts were signed. The Brazilian government was restricted from accepting donations of Pfizer doses or making its own donations. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Sure. Easy. Just sign non the dotted line.

 

In secret vaccine contracts with governments, Pfizer took hard line in push for profit, report says

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/19/secret-vaccine-contracts-with-governments-pfizer-took-hard-line-push-profit-report-says/

 

“Hiding contracts from public view or publishing documents filled with redacted text means we don’t know how or when vaccines will arrive, what happens if things go wrong and the level of financial risk buyers are absorbing,” said Tom Wright, research manager at the Transparency International Health Program.

 

Pfizer exerted control over the supply of vaccine doses after contracts were signed. The Brazilian government was restricted from accepting donations of Pfizer doses or making its own donations. 

 

and...? Whats that got to do with Thailand not signing a deal in Nov 2020 with pfizer. They signed a deal with AZ in Oct 2020 and even AZ told them not to rely on them as their only supplier.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Sure. Easy. Just sign non the dotted line.

 

In secret vaccine contracts with governments, Pfizer took hard line in push for profit, report says

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/19/secret-vaccine-contracts-with-governments-pfizer-took-hard-line-push-profit-report-says/

 

“Hiding contracts from public view or publishing documents filled with redacted text means we don’t know how or when vaccines will arrive, what happens if things go wrong and the level of financial risk buyers are absorbing,” said Tom Wright, research manager at the Transparency International Health Program.

 

Pfizer exerted control over the supply of vaccine doses after contracts were signed. The Brazilian government was restricted from accepting donations of Pfizer doses or making its own donations. 

 

They for sure had the upper hand.  And in the end, their efforts saved the lives of millions.

[bradiston]

33 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

What?  Impossible to compare Sinovac to AZ or Pfizer.  And to try and tie that into lost of jobs, raised suicide rates, etc?  Doesn't make sense.

 

You are aware of who has a major investment in the company producing Sinovac, right?  Doesn't seem so.

What's your point? Impossible to compare vaccines? But that was the basis of the OP. Sinovac is vastly inferior. That's a comparison. And he goes on to assign blame for all of Thailand's woes to that one decision.

 

Rates are sky rocketing in Europe and the US. They have never used Sinovac. What does that tell you? And, they own the production facilities AND the patents on the big 4. Not hard to supply themselves, yet what's the result? A massive FAIL! 4th wave. And it was AstraZaneca that awarded the contract to SBS, not the Thai government.

 

The OP tied all those elements, suicide, loss of jobs etc etc, into the decision of the Thai government to use Sinovac. I simply pointed out the result was the same, if not far worse, in countries using anything but Sinovac.

 

Your 3rd point. Yes, I've read the article in the BP regarding CP's alleged connections with the Sinovac vaccine, if that's what you're referring to. I can't put a link here for BP content, but it's easily googled, under "Sinovac shareholders CP".

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, bradiston said:

What's your point? Impossible to compare vaccines? But that was the basis of the OP. Sinovac is vastly inferior. That's a comparison. And he goes on to assign blame for all of Thailand's woes to that one decision.

 

Rates are sky rocketing in Europe and the US. They have never used Sinovac. What does that tell you? And, they own the production facilities AND the patents on the big 4. Not hard to supply themselves, yet what's the result? A massive FAIL! 4th wave. And it was AstraZaneca that awarded the contract to SBS, not the Thai government.

 

The OP tied all those elements, suicide, loss of jobs etc etc, into the decision of the Thai government to use Sinovac. I simply pointed out the result was the same, if not far worse, in countries using anything but Sinovac.

 

Your 3rd point. Yes, I've read the article in the BP regarding CP's alleged connections with the Sinovac vaccine, if that's what you're referring to. I can't put a link here for BP content, but it's easily googled, under "Sinovac shareholders CP".

Impossible to compare because Sinovac is vastly inferior.

 

Rates are sky rocketing in Europe and the US due to the unvaccinated.  It's got NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of the vaccine.  Unless you rely on social media for your information.

 

3rd point.  Right on.  It's all about money here.

[jerrymahoney]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

and...? Whats that got to do with Thailand not signing a deal in Nov 2020 with pfizer. They signed a deal with AZ in Oct 2020 and even AZ told them not to rely on them as their only supplier.

Maybe they didn't sign the deal because they didn't like the terms of the deal especially as to delivery dates and non-acceptance of donations.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe they didn't sign the deal because they didn't like the terms of the deal especially as to delivery dates and non-acceptance of donations.

Maybe, maybe not but your speculating as the Thai government never publicly said why they never went ahead with it. 

[gearbox]

29 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

South Africa did not sign a deal with Pfizer until the 6th April 2021, they then started arriving on the 3rd May.

 

Thailand had an opportunity to order in Nov 2020, 6 months earlier

Pfizer wasn't even approved by the US FDA until mid December 2020. Again, Thailand is not in an unique position, none of middle and lower income countries managed to secure enough mRNA vaccines.

They should have purchased as many vaccines as possible (including the Chinese), but got caught asleep at the wheel, blinded by their early containment success (same as Australia), not taking into account the long porous land borders they have.  Once the covid came back in Jan/Feb and April this year they were in catching up state.

 

The same happened in Australia, people got shoved AZ vaccines down their throats, although clearly many preferred Pfizer shots.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, gearbox said:

Pfizer wasn't even approved by the US FDA until mid December 2020. Again, Thailand is not in an unique position, none of middle and lower income countries managed to secure enough mRNA vaccines.

They should have purchased as many vaccines as possible (including the Chinese), but got caught asleep at the wheel, blinded by their early containment success (same as Australia), not taking into account the long porous land borders they have.  Once the covid came back in Jan/Feb and April this year they were in catching up state.

 

The same happened in Australia, people got shoved AZ vaccines down their throats, although clearly many preferred Pfizer shots.

It does not matter when it was approved or not, countries ordered before approval, Thailand ordered AZ in Oct 2020 before it was even approved in the UK.

[gearbox]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It does not matter when it was approved or not, countries ordered before approval, Thailand ordered AZ in Oct 2020 before it was even approved in the UK.

And how did that one worked out? Today is 18 November 2021,  there is still shortage of vaccines.

[jerrymahoney]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe, maybe not but your speculating as the Thai government never publicly said why they never went ahead with it. 

Absolutely right. Why jeopardize any possible future negotiations?

[bradiston]

24 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

They for sure had the upper hand.  And in the end, their efforts saved the lives of millions.

Whose efforts?

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, gearbox said:

And how did that one worked out? Today is 18 November 2021,  there is still shortage of vaccines.

Perhaps they should have listened to AZ who told then not to rely on them as their only supplier......................

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Whose efforts?

Scientists at Pfizer and BionTech.  Who've been working on mRNA technology for decades.

[bradiston]

21 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Impossible to compare because Sinovac is vastly inferior.

 

Rates are sky rocketing in Europe and the US due to the unvaccinated.  It's got NOTHING to do with the effectiveness of the vaccine.  Unless you rely on social media for your information.

 

3rd point.  Right on.  It's all about money here.

Umm, in the English language, inferior is a comparison to something superior. Except on social media, where it just means Chinese. And of course you can compare them. How else do you arrive at the conclusion it's inferior? 

 

I've had 2 Sinovac and an astra booster. I'm confident I'm as well vaccinated as anyone. Go and get your 3rd Pfizer or your 3rd Moderna. You'll be needing them after 6 months.

 

Yes, you're probably right about the anti vax brigade in Europe and the US. Just shows how stupid the dirty foreigners are, right? Got access to any Vax they want but no, it's all part of some vast conspiracy.

 

It's all about the money the world over.

 

 

[bradiston]

21 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Scientists at Pfizer and BionTech.  Who've been working on mRNA technology for decades.

 

See here for details of investment in BioNTech. Fosun was the first. After, Pfizer. Then the European Investment Bank. Then the German government. No one country can claim bragging rights on the "Pfizer" vaccine. It's only referred to as that because of the global reach of the brand.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer–BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccinePfizer

 

"CEO Albert Bourla said he decided against taking funding from the US government's Operation Warp Speed for the development of the vaccine "because I wanted to liberate our scientists [from] any bureaucracy that comes with having to give reports and agree how we are going to spend the money in parallel or together, etc." Pfizer did enter into an agreement with the US for the eventual distribution of the vaccine, as with other countries.[158]"

 

[puck2]

He thought, Switzerland would be like Thailand ..... hmmm, concerning the "Hi.So" members with "specia privileges".

I have problems to stop laughing....  (about a "health" minister)

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

SEZ U.

 

And 60 MILLION Thais! 

[jerrymahoney]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And 60 MILLION Thais! 

Population of Thailand per Worldmeter NOV 2021 is 70 million. Maybe 10 million have a better idea what really went down with the terms of the Pfizer contracts offered in NOV 2020 that were initially rejected by some countries but have now been changed for a lot of countries by the time Thailand signed the Pfizer purchase contract in JULY 2021 after a reported 2-3 months in negotiations.

 

In secret vaccine contracts with governments, Pfizer took hard line in push for profit, report says

 

October 19, 2021

 

Public Citizen found common themes across contracts, including not only secrecy but also language to block donations of Pfizer doses. Disputes are settled in secret arbitration courts, with Pfizer able to change the terms of key decisions, including delivery dates, and demand public assets as collateral.

 

Suerie Moon, co-director of the global health center at the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva, said that restrictions on donations were “appalling” and “counter to the goal of getting vaccines as quickly as possible to those who need them.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/10/19/secret-vaccine-contracts-with-governments-pfizer-took-hard-line-push-profit-report-says/

 

[Marley01]

How embarrassing for the health minister and the Thai government. 
555

bloody hilarious though