Eight Omicron cases confirmed in Thailand so far, three others await confirmation

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Khabib said:

Why are boosters so desperately needed, if the first two haven't achieved anything in terms of omicron.

They aren't really. 2 recent jabs should be enough, plus a lot of people have natural immunity from contracting Covid and recovering.

 

It's just another dangling carrot. The thin end of the wedge. "Just one more and it will be all be over, trust me". A bit like 3 weeks to flatten the curve turning into months and months of lockdown.

 

Testing for antibodies would be a better way forward. But a lot of people are making a lot of money from this. Others enjoy the control it gives them and it allows things like vaccine passports to be pushed through. I wouldn't be expecting this train to stop for a while. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

 

[stephenterry]

6 minutes ago, Khabib said:

Why are boosters so desperately needed, if the first two haven't achieved anything in terms of omicron.

In the UK, there seems to be scientific evidence provided by Astra Zeneca that a third booster jab does reduce the infection effects more so than just relying on the first two jabs. 

 

In which case, should the 'mild effects' of Omicron infection - if replicated as in S Africa - be even milder, it is a good probability that UK hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

 

It's a shame that the UK doesn't also explain to the population that boosting up Vit D3 and Zinc supplements as well as booster jabs is beneficial to health. This statement has been scientifically peer-reviewed in Israel as being accurate. It is NOT misleading.

[Blumpie]

1 hour ago, Trujillo said:

"Given the virulence of Omicron, if it turns out to be as lethal as Delta, then millions more will die. That would make a difference to me."

 

We already know that it is NOT as lethal. And millions dying every year of hypertension makes a difference to you? Are you out there every day advocating in a meaningful way better diet -- no processed foods and sugary drinks? Are you protesting in a meaningful way the rape of the land for palm oil and sugar that contributes to this?

Smoking? Drugs? Alzheimer's? 

 

 

JP Morgan is predicting this is the end of the epidemic.  I believe it may be too.  

Of course we could all die but who cares, we're either going to go tomorrow or in 10, 20, 30 years so who cares?  

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

In the UK, there seems to be scientific evidence provided by Astra Zeneca that a third booster jab does reduce the infection effects more so than just relying on the first two jabs. 

 

In which case, should the 'mild effects' of Omicron infection - if replicated as in S Africa - be even milder, it is a good probability that UK hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

 

It's a shame that the UK doesn't also explain to the population that boosting up Vit D3 and Zinc supplements as well as booster jabs is beneficial to health. This statement has been scientifically peer-reviewed in Israel as being accurate. It is NOT misleading.

Well, a vaccine company talking up the effectiveness of more vaccines probably isn't a huge shocker.

 

Maybe 3 is better than 2. Maybe 10 is better than 9. But neither statement is enough to justify another lockdown due to a new, milder variant.

 

Agree on the vitamin supplements though. I take a Centrum most days. Weight loss is also effective.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

JP Morgan is predicting this is the end of the epidemic.  I believe it may be too.  

Of course we could all die but who cares, we're either going to go tomorrow or in 10, 20, 30 years so who cares?  

I think JP Morgan might be right. I also think that is why governments are hyping up Omicron as being worse than it is. They need a few more months to get through their various policies and agendas.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

JP Morgan is predicting this is the end of the epidemic.  I believe it may be too.  

Of course we could all die but who cares, we're either going to go tomorrow or in 10, 20, 30 years so who cares?  

Contrarian Doctors: The Pandemic is Over, Again

I can’t help but wonder if one of the reasons the pandemic isn’t over yet, is because contrarian doctors repeatedly said it was.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-pandemic-is-over-again/

[silver sea]

Article by the South African doctor who was the first to identify Omicron in SA. Although her comments are directed at the UK, they can apply in other countries too, including Thailand:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306211/DR-ANGELIQUE-COETZEE-alerted-wider-world-Omicron-believe-Britain-overreacting.html

Edited December 14, 2021 by silver sea

[QPRFC]

I remember reading just last week that Prayut said it was under control with Anutin taking the helm....so rest assured people ???? 

[Danderman123]

38 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No evidence for that happening. Omicron has mild symptoms that requires a low % of people to need hospitalization.

 

If they start getting swamped, review it at that point in time. Don't lock down when things are perfectly manageable. The restrictions would cause more harm than good if it's done too early. The "cure" would cause more harm than the disease. The sky isn't falling just because a new, mild variant has been found.

 

Like I said, if you're scared then you are free to lock yourself down. The rest of us are happy to get on with our lives taking whatever precautions we deem necessary.

 

 

If Omicron is putting people in the hospital in large numbers, you want to lock the barn door after the horses have departed. Good thinking.

 

We will know how bad Omicron is in a couple of weeks. If its bad, then we need to lock down early, not late.

Edited December 14, 2021 by Danderman123

[Khabib]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

If Omicron is putting people in the hospital in large numbers, you want to lock the barn door after the horses have departed. Good thinking.

 

We will know how bad Omicron is in a couple of weeks. If its bad, then we need to lock down early, not late.

The omicron horse bolted the barn door, before it ever had a mention in the news imo.

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, silver sea said:

Article by Angelique Coetzee, the South African doctor who was the first to identify Omicron in SA:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10306211/DR-ANGELIQUE-COETZEE-alerted-wider-world-Omicron-believe-Britain-overreacting.html

It's hard to argue with her. Hopefully, we will know if she is right in the next 2 weeks.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You might like authoritarian governments that use scare stories to deny liberty and freedom, but don't assume everyone does.

What would make you think I like it.... that is ad hominem.

I just don't stomp my  feet.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The paucity of detail tells me everything I need to know.

What you know on this death is nothing, like the rest of us.

[mar zarych]

They seem to be relaxing things, like NYE just when everyone is letting their guard down. It will only take a few hundred Omircon cases to have chicken little start mouthing off. 

 

[jacko45k]

Here we go again, everyone allowed to travel, leading to high infections and lockdowns needed.

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If Omicron is putting people in the hospital in large numbers, you want to lock the barn door after the horses have departed. Good thinking.

 

We will know how bad Omicron is in a couple of weeks. If its bad, then we need to lock down early, not late.

I'm saying let's wait and see if the number of hospitalizations rise. I don't believe they will.

 

Not just lock everyone in their homes, destroying businesses, education, mental health and then find out it was all for no reason.

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

What you know on this death is nothing, like the rest of us.

You missed the point. I am saying I know why the government is not releasing the details. If it fit their agenda, they'd obviously have released the details already and the likes of the BBC/Sky would pounce on it and hype everyone up into another frenzied panic.

 

And yet they haven't. I wonder why? It's a real tough one to work out, I'm literally scratching my chin ????.

[Virt]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It's hard to argue with her. Hopefully, we will know if she is right in the next 2 weeks.

Yeah we need some time to see if it spreads even faster in colder climates, compared to SA where omicron spread fast close to their summer season.

 

Even if it's mild we don't want to many cases at the same time.

That would overburden the hospitals and cause problems for other patients that need other treatment, surgeries.

 

So far it's looking ok in Denmark and UK that has reported most omicron cases in Europe, but i think we have to wait a month or so to see if it is a problem or not.

[James105]

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well, a vaccine company talking up the effectiveness of more vaccines probably isn't a huge shocker.

 

Maybe 3 is better than 2. Maybe 10 is better than 9. But neither statement is enough to justify another lockdown due to a new, milder variant.

 

Agree on the vitamin supplements though. I take a Centrum most days. Weight loss is also effective.

I personally am finding it quite amusing to watch the UK government tell people that have had 2 jabs that those jabs now offer virtually zero protection against the new variant and a booster is required, whilst at the same time trying to tell the 5 million "vaccine hesitant" that they need to get their first/second jab and will be introducing vaccine passports to coerce them into it.

 

You don't need to be the worlds foremost behavioural psychologist to recognise how dumb this is.   If someone was hesitant to get a vaccine when they were "95% effective", how is telling them now that the first 2 jabs offer almost zero protection going to persuade them to rock up and get their first?   There will also be many that have had 2 jabs who are uncomfortable with vaccine coercion or vaccine passports who will most likely refuse the 3rd jab out of principle.   

 

That said, it's good that they are making these dumb announcements - the more of these they make, the more people will wake up to the fact that neither the government or big pharma is acting in their best interests and that they will not be able to comply their way out of this.  

[JonnyF]

18 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

What would make you think I like it.... that is ad hominem.

I just don't stomp my  feet.

Because you call for ever more tightening of restrictions and lockdowns at the mere mention of a new, milder variant.

 

So the logical conclusion to draw from this is that individual liberty, freedom and personal choice are not particularly important to you.

 

[jacko45k]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

And yet they haven't. I wonder why? It's a real tough one to work out, I'm literally scratching my chin

Who knows with BJ... I suspect to herd people to the vaccination lines, since  AZ is cited to be ineffective with just 2 jabs against omicron.

[jacko45k]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Because you call for ever more tightening of restrictions and lockdowns at the mere mention of a new, milder variant.

Quote me please or put the big D hat on!

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Quote me please or put the big D hat on!

Well 29 minutes ago you were criticizing the decision to allow people to travel. Doesn't sound like a great supporter of individual freedoms to me.

 

[Road Warrior]

and A HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!!!

[Khabib]

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Because you call for ever more tightening of restrictions and lockdowns at the mere mention of a new, milder variant.

 

So the logical conclusion to draw from this is that individual liberty, freedom and personal choice are not particularly important to you.

 

Yes, we'll soon be being told the o2 variant has come along, and is infecting everyone. Best lock down 555

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well 29 minutes ago you were criticizing the decision to allow people to travel. Doesn't sound like a great supporter of individual freedoms to me.

 

That is not 'ever more tightening of restrictions and lockdowns at the mere mention of a new, milder variant'..... is it? Nor did I say that was my opinion... more my expectation. But carry on dancing and stomping.

 

[Khabib]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

That is not 'ever more tightening of restrictions and lockdowns at the mere mention of a new, milder variant'..... is it? Nor did I say that was my opinion... more my expectation. But carry on dancing and stomping.

 

The bangles, "walk like an Egyptian" 55

[Khabib]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

In the UK, there seems to be scientific evidence provided by Astra Zeneca that a third booster jab does reduce the infection effects more so than just relying on the first two jabs. 

 

In which case, should the 'mild effects' of Omicron infection - if replicated as in S Africa - be even milder, it is a good probability that UK hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

 

It's a shame that the UK doesn't also explain to the population that boosting up Vit D3 and Zinc supplements as well as booster jabs is beneficial to health. This statement has been scientifically peer-reviewed in Israel as being accurate. It is NOT misleading.

The Astra Zeneca two jabs have been deemed to be quite hopless against omicron. So are they saying, it takes three to tango.

[itsari]

3 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

Looking a head of the curve, South Africa has a low Delta rate. Europe a high potent Delta rate. Having now seeded Europe with Omicron and allowing it to mix naturally with Delta in the population, I wonder where we go next?

 

With even basic knowledge of this pandemic, we now have a clear insight into just how easily and terrifying a cultured biological weapon could potentially permeate the world in weeks. A Hollywood movie would be nothing on that event.

 

... and we still believe this was a some unfortunate incident meat market incident between a bat and vendor.....      

Have to agree what you say . Two years of the pandemic and still no official clarification of where the virus came from , 

 

[Khabib]

1 minute ago, itsari said:

Have to agree what you say . Two years of the pandemic and still no official clarification of where the virus came from , 

 

True enough, and in fact, where is it going...