Thailand may cancel Test & Go due to Omicron: Anutin

[VBF]

2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

That's about as daft as saying all road travel should be banned because someone died on the road due to refusing to wear a cycling helmet !

 

Average age of death in the UK is 82, average covid death is 83 ! Dear God, we all have to die of something when we get over 82 ! The 70 year old guy probably also shot himself in the foot by reducing his immune system by becoming a recluse

Spot on ????????????????????

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, VBF said:

Absolutely.

And for those people I have great sympathy, but their misfortune is not an excuse to impose these ridiculous restrictions on the majority of us.

They can isolate if they choose to, and/or not if that's their choice. 

I do know someone who is officially "at risk"...his attitude is that he'll ignore restrictions and take his chances. On the other hand, he IS vaccinated, DOES wear a mask when near others and is as careful as can be consistent with getting on with whatever life he has left.

Having a medical issue is a true misfortune.  However, do you honestly think that people like myself who became a diabetic due to a neck surgery and then came down with an auto immune disorder asked for it and want to be treated differently.  Imposing restrictions is not just to keep folks like myself a little safer, but only imposing them on us so others can roam freely is a bunch of nonsense.  Treating everyone equally is the prudent way to conduct business, and not shutting down the country or even shutting the country down and canceling the schemes in place after 2 years of this is just deplorable.

Edited December 20, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, VBF said:

Well, actually, nothing's stopping them - it depends how much of a risk one wishes to take.

My acquaintance  takes the view that behaving like he's at risk is so boring that it's worth taking a chance on dropping dead earlier than he might otherwise have done. 

There is a poster on this forum with the signature something like "Nothing's worth giving up for 3 more months in the geriatric ward"  My acquaintance  and I both agree with that! 

Good for him, others who are at risk have children and dependents that rely on them and would prefer not to die

[RichardColeman]

41 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I guess their are reasons but all the "I have not seen my family for 2 years" folks why not?  I know plenty who have come.

There are many reasons why people including my self say this, not all of us can just jet off when they feel like it. I've had a whole host of reasons for my own not going - between Thailand on red list, thailand closed to foreigners, mad quarantine, waiting 1st jab, 2nd jab and even 3rd booster, thai yoyoing. Recently I got delayed due to finding I had no hepititus immunity and have have to have 6 vaccines over a 6 week period - these end in early January - just when Thailand might be closing again ! Just been one event after another for me. Also maddening that I just persuaded the NHS to give me a years medication and now I may end up using that before going. Most of us want to go, so please do not tar us with this brush !

[VBF]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Having a medical issue a misfortune.  However, do you honestly think that people like myself who became a diabetic due to a neck surgery and then came down with an auto immune disorder asked for it and want to be treated differently.  Imposing restrictions is not just to keep folks like myself a little safer, but only imposing them on us so others can roam freely is a bunch of nonsense.  Treating everyone equally is the prudent way to conduct business, and not shutting down the country or even shutting the country down and canceling the schemes in place after 2 years of this is just deplorable.

TR you seem to be contradicting yourself (?)

None of us wants to be singled out through no fault of our own - agreed

But I don't want to impose restrictions on you....I merely suggested that if you wish to extend your life you self-impose them or take a chance if you like. You are entitled (or should be) to make a judgement call on your own life. 

 

Remember that whatever you and i choose, Science is constantly looking for a way out of this mess and indeed it appears to be coming Covid: Vulnerable NHS patients to be offered new drug

 

Where I agree with you is that "Treating everyone equally...etc" is indeed the prudent way forward - you may elect to be more cautious than i if you so wish.

[RichardColeman]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

ah so he was also below the average age of a normal covid death, thanks and since when did road travel come into the equation?

man refusing a vaccine that may have stopped him dying is the same as the man dying riding into a tree not wearing a free cycling helmet in my opinion. 

[VBF]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Good for him, others who are at risk have children and dependents that rely on them and would prefer not to die

Indeed...... they may take that path if they wish.

I'm confused that you seem to be disagreeing with me on this.  What is there to disagree on?   

Edited December 20, 2021 by VBF

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, VBF said:

Indeed...... they may take that path if they wish. What is there to disagree on?

Nothing aside from the fact that those I referred to are more at risk through the environment they live in where they cannot isolate even if they wanted to. Those with families and children still want/need to be close to them, however there children and other family members may put them at risk but they cannot also isolate.

 

We are all in this together is what I'm saying.

[Chivas]

I reckon they'll give about 48 hours grace to allow people already travelling to enter the country under existing rules and then revert to quarantine sandbox style of entry

Its certainly not going to be a month !

Notwithstanding that Brits coming back into the UK could face quarantine very quickly as well it appears so add £2000 to the cost of a trip

 

[Lingba]

9 hours ago, khunpa said:

This is getting more and more stupid as time goes by…

 

When will they realize/accept that this virus can not be beaten? It is already here and spreading.
 

The only way this pandemic could have been stopped would have been ALL countries working together to fight it, which of course did not happen due to stupid selfish world leaders and politically messed up countries.

 

Now it’s too late, so let the virus do it’s job and pray for it to burn out and not mutate into something more deadly. That’s all we can do.

 

 

Agree...everyone going into a panic making random decisions that make no sense and every country running into a different direction and whats funny is this new variant though more transmittable is alot less dangerous...Geez just live and move on

[VBF]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nothing aside from the fact that those I referred to are more at risk through the environment they live in where they cannot isolate even if they wanted to. Those with families and children still want/need to be close to them, however there children and other family members may put them at risk but they cannot also isolate.

 

We are all in this together is what I'm saying.

That's good - I read and re-read your posts and thought i was missing something - seemingly not!

We are all in this together, but to mix metaphors, I'm afraid that there is no "one size fits all" solution

[2 is 1]

4 hours ago, spetersen said:

And how many do you think die of influenza every year ? , Thousands...

And how many die testicle cancer every year!? How many die bla bla bla..... 12 so far in Uk die coz omicron.... and counting. How many patient in hospital or in ICU because omicron that the question!?

How many "normal" surgical operation have to move forward because every place is filled whit omicron patient's! Also how many die because covid after 1 month they find covid!? Now have been 1 month since they find omicron!

Edited December 20, 2021 by 2 is 1

[Tuvoc]

16 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Notwithstanding that Brits coming back into the UK could face quarantine very quickly as well it appears so add £2000 to the cost of a trip

Extremely unlikely, they only just removed the redlist and mandatory quarantine because it was pointless to keep it. Omicron is already here in big numbers. Just self-isolation now at your home (or somewhere else)

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

man refusing a vaccine that may have stopped him dying is the same as the man dying riding into a tree not wearing a free cycling helmet in my opinion. 

Yet there's no proof of that, just a radio show phone in report, however if he did refuse a vaccine at 70 years and ended up dying of Omicron then I agree it serves him right but it also proves Omicron can be deadly in that age group which was my whole point if you go back to my original post.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[Soyboy]

Any date been mentioned as to when this will be coming into effect (if it does) ?

[Tuvoc]

2 minutes ago, Soyboy said:

Any date been mentioned as to when this will be coming into effect (if it does) ?

God, I wish we knew that !!  I'm on tenderhooks.

[Soyboy]

Just now, Tuvoc said:

God, I wish we knew that !!  I'm on tenderhooks.

Due to fly out late January, I know all the usual blah blah shouldnt make plans during a pandemic but its been years now, still doesn't avoid dissapointment. A holiday is well needed after nearly 2 years of constant negative <deleted> going on

[Tuvoc]

5 minutes ago, Soyboy said:

Due to fly out late January, I know all the usual blah blah shouldnt make plans during a pandemic but its been years now, still doesn't avoid dissapointment. A holiday is well needed after nearly 2 years of constant negative <deleted> going on

Well, I'd guess that it will certainly be in place well before then. (and then potentially removed again before then!)

 

I'm due to fly out Thursday this week.  Can they act that fast ?  Depends on how the Test & Go was passed into law originally, and what legal steps would be necessary to cancel it,  as to how quickly they change could be made.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Tuvoc

[Soyboy]

2 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

Well, I'd guess that it will certainly be in place well before then. (and then potentially removed again before then!)

 

I'm due to fly out Wednesday this week.  Can they act that fast ?  Depends on how the Test & Go was passed into law originally, and what legal steps would be necessary to cancel it,  as to how quickly they change could be made.

I have no idea to be honest but best of luck to you! 

[kimamey]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Given how transmissable Omicron is, it sounds like other passengers on the plane would have caught it from these arrivals.

 

Which means it's already here (unless they quarantined the whole plane including the crew).

 

Either way, it seems inevitable that Test & Go will be scrapped within the next few days. I'm glad I didn't go home for Christmas now...

Before Omnicron entered the country  stopping inbound travel as much as possible would seem to be a reasonable precaution but now I'm not so sure. In the UK they stopped travel from Africa straight away but opened up once it was clear that the variant was already fairly well established they opened up again.

 

Probably too late now exept possibly from particularly high risk countries where quarantine might help

[Rocking Robert]

6 hours ago, steevjee said:

sniff sniff!   I smell an anti vaxxer ????

I’ve been jabbed three times and I have friends who refused to get vaccinated I have no problem with that whatever you do please never give up your freedom

[Tuvoc]

Yes, I don't know. I think it might just be a rule or regulation implemented under over-arching legislation, so the change could be made immediately pretty much if so.

Edited December 20, 2021 by Tuvoc

[CG1 Blue]

59 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I also know plenty of people at risk through no fault of their own who would prefer to lead their life as everyone else.

And that must be hard for them no doubt. But do they want the rest of the people to stop living their lives just because they have to? My very elderly and vulnerable parents certainly don't. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

And that must be hard for them no doubt. But do they want the rest of the people to stop living their lives just because they have to? My very elderly and vulnerable parents certainly don't. 

They don't have to stop their lives, why should they? 

 

They also don't want anyone to stop their lives, the last thing they want is for their own children to stop living normally, they want to be part of the community as everybody else is.

[kimamey]

35 minutes ago, Lingba said:

Agree...everyone going into a panic making random decisions that make no sense and every country running into a different direction and whats funny is this new variant though more transmittable is alot less dangerous...Geez just live and move on

I'm not sure that is confirmed it's less dangerous. A lot can depend on which country, the age distribution and how long since the last spike in infections. Regardless of that the higher numbers involved due to the increased transmissibility can still overwhelm hospitals.

We will need live with it but time is needed to get a strategy in place to lessen it's effect. Vaccines will be a large part of that but that takes time and we may still need to take other precautions such as masks in enclosed spaces.

[Iforbach]

Tic toc here we go again ...sum friends said wait till new year I told em get here asp 

[Rocking Robert]

4 hours ago, LoVeFuN said:

I have Thai pass and go for 9th January and hotel for one night, will they change it so we have to quarantine and still allow entry. I suppose we have to wait and see.

I came on May 6 it was supposed to be three days quarantine four days in the motel and released,With only one days notice they changed it to 14 day quarantine

[RAZZELL]

2 minutes ago, kimamey said:

Yes but that could be down to mask wearing and working from home. If you stop being careful it could increase again

 

COULD being the operative word.

 

RAZZ

[tomacht8]

25 minutes ago, Lingba said:

Agree...everyone going into a panic making random decisions that make no sense and every country running into a different direction and whats funny is this new variant though more transmittable is alot less dangerous...Geez just live and move on

Me too. Since 21 months I have been through everything that various politicians and scientists see or have viewed as good measures. Lockdown, masks, self-isolation, social distance, disinfecting hands, vaccination, alcohol bans, PCR tests, quarantine, travel bans, lots of QR codes, paperwork and whatever else.

 

Now we're back to the beginning and the theater starts all over again. For me personally it is becoming clearer that we have to live with the virus and that the previous measures have not brought us much. And the politicians with all their promises and restrictions are ultimately almost powerless.

 

And the belief that we as humans can somehow control or even control the spread of the virus persists. Ultimately, everyone is responsible for themselves and should decide for themselves how to deal with the risk.

 

And if you disregard your own fate, it is still the case that in 2020 the number of births exceeded the number of deaths by 94,859,658.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So for the sake of their children and all the other non-vulnerable people, would they be willing to simply protect themselves with self imposed restrictions so that everyone else can live with no restrictions? 

Anyway, I suppose we can just go round in circles on this. Good news is that the most vulnerable in the UK will have access to new anti-virus treatments now, and hopefully these will go global sooner rather than later: 

 

In a clinical trial, a single dose reduced the risk of hospitalisation and death by 79% in high risk adults

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59502745

How can they do that, even if they impose self restrictions, does that mean they cannot go near their children or family who are living normally, how would a mother or father hug their children, pick them up from school, tend to their everyday needs if they are young. Think about this a little..........

 

This is just one example there are many more where imposing self restrictions is impossible even if they wanted to.