Expert Predicts Rise in COVID-19 Cases But Herd Immunity Possibility From Omicron

[ozimoron]

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

And my point is that you cannot dismiss the possibility that some people in the medical profession, in politics and in the media will benefit from a prolonged pandemic and may put biased views out there.

When listed companies have the potential to make trillions over the coming years, you cannot rule out corruption. You could say the same for Thailand with the fortunes being made from ASQ etc. 

I don't have a conspiracy theory, I just like to keep an open mind. And I am not naive enough to think NOBODY is taking advantage of the situation. 

I alleged that it was a conspiracy theory and challenged you to say who and where, not to reiterate a hypothetical. Until you do, it's a conspiracy theory.

 

edit: That's what ALL conspiracy theories are - unprovable hypotheticals. They don't deserve oxygen.

Edited January 5, 2022 by ozimoron

[CG1 Blue]

20 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I alleged that it was a conspiracy theory and challenged you to say who and where, not to reiterate a hypothetical. Until you do, it's a conspiracy theory.

 

edit: That's what ALL conspiracy theories are - unprovable hypotheticals. They don't deserve oxygen.

You believe what you want to believe. There is no way I could gather evidence of the corruption I alluded to, and there is no way for you to prove there is no corruption. The difference is, I accept both possibilities. You deny one of them. 

I assume you also dismiss what the doctor says in this story, but accept all of the negative Covid opinions? Much better to have an open mind. 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

You believe what you want to believe. There is no way I could gather evidence of the corruption I alluded to, and there is no way for you to prove there is no corruption. The difference is, I accept both possibilities. You deny one of them. 

I assume you also dismiss what the doctor says in this story, but accept all of the negative Covid opinions? Much better to have an open mind. 

Inability to disprove corruption does not prove it exists. Allegations of a crime without evidence is a conspiracy theory.

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, TheScience said:

Truth out

Truth out?........these are currently suggestions/beliefs, there is no evidence of this whatsoever yet. No studies have been carried out on this as its impossible to test until much more time has passed.

 

The is only small and I do mean small study from SA with 13 people suggesting that being infected with Omicron could give some protection against delta. However out of those 13 people 11 had also been previously either vaccinated or had previous infections.

[TheScience]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Truth out?........these are currently suggestions/beliefs, there is no evidence of this whatsoever yet. No studies have been carried out on this as its impossible to test until much more time has passed.

 

The is only small and I do mean small study from SA with 13 people suggesting that being infected with Omicron could give some protection against delta. However out of those 13 people 11 had also been previously either vaccinated or had previous infections.

Based on a mountain of evidence in the west. Try and keep up.

 

Last week's have been a total paradigm shift in US policy.

 

Horses are out of the barn. Too late to close the door now.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, TheScience said:

Based on a mountain of evidence in the west. Try and keep up.

 

Last week's have been a total paradigm shift in US policy.

 

Horses are out of the barn. Too late to close the door now.

If there is a mountain of evidence in the west then it would not be too difficult for you to link to it right? I'll wait on the evidence to support the below "truth" as you call it...........

 

"Dr Manoon believes the Omicron strain will eventually infect everyone, whether they have been vaccinated or not, causing entire populations to achieve herd immunity. He suggests that the variant will operate as a live attenuated vaccine, delivering stronger immunity stimulation than existing COVID vaccines."

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, TheScience said:

Actually it would because TV takes down all links not pro-vax and written up by MSM. It's the Twitter of Thailand apparently.

 

This SHOULD make it past the mods

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/international/2022/01/05/fauci-covid-case-counts-may-be-losing-importance-amid-omicron/

 

Try duck duck go.

Try quoting my full post and don't take it out of context, it has nothing to do with what Fauci says its to do with the claim by this doctor in the OP which you say is the truth

 

"Dr Manoon believes the Omicron strain will eventually infect everyone, whether they have been vaccinated or not, causing entire populations to achieve herd immunity. He suggests that the variant will operate as a live attenuated vaccine, delivering stronger immunity stimulation than existing COVID vaccines."

Edited January 5, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, TheScience said:

Actually it would because TV takes down all links not pro-vax and written up by MSM. It's the Twitter of Thailand apparently.

 

This SHOULD make it past the mods

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/international/2022/01/05/fauci-covid-case-counts-may-be-losing-importance-amid-omicron/

 

Try duck duck go.

They do not. They remove links from unapproved (conspiracy theory and pseudoscience) sites. Such sites publish provably false claims.

Edited January 5, 2022 by ozimoron

[Stargeezr]

What is this guy smoking or drinking? That is like saying, get this real type of flu as it will

work as good as a flu shot to keep you from getting the flu.  What nonsense.

  Try again.  

[Cherrytreeview]

He's clueless, spreading dangerous misinformation.

Just in case anyone really believes his nonsense.

 

 

 

 

 

[kiwikeith]

On 1/5/2022 at 12:03 AM, misterworldwide said:

Some good news!

At least this mans speaking sense, and that's what other leading world Dr's are saying and is happening in SA, Scotland has just published a study which says this as well, Dr Mobeen Sayed put the paper up on his site yesterday 

[Stargeezr]

What some posters do not seem to grasp is that even the regular flu in the world kills lots of people each year.

 I have not seen one medical expert say that Omicron is equivalent to a regular flu, only that it seems to be

less lethal compared to delta variant of COVID 19. Maybe google what even a regular flu does to your body.

[CG1 Blue]

48 minutes ago, Stargeezr said:

What some posters do not seem to grasp is that even the regular flu in the world kills lots of people each year.

 I have not seen one medical expert say that Omicron is equivalent to a regular flu, only that it seems to be

less lethal compared to delta variant of COVID 19. Maybe google what even a regular flu does to your body.

"What some posters do not seem to grasp is that even the regular flu in the world kills lots of people each year."

 

The point is we don't have lockdowns, destroy economies and ruin lives for flu. Surely there has to come a point when we treat Covid the same way? I hope we're almost there now. 

 

"I have not seen one medical expert say that Omicron is equivalent to a regular flu, only that it seems to be

less lethal compared to delta variant of COVID 19."

 

I agree, many experts are saying the symptoms of the Omicron variant are similar to a head cold, so less harmful than flu. 

 

 

 

[Bernietravelling]

On 1/5/2022 at 7:20 AM, nchuckle said:

What do you mean ‘finally'. This guy is just parroting what Western scientists have already been saying. Hardly as though he’s revealing his own unique research results. ???? 

Anyway, I see it far more positive.

 

We all know, Thais believe only Thai …

 

Therefore, having a scientist standing up and voicing a hypothesis, controversial to the narrative of sectarian Dr.Jong,

and even seeing that not suppressed, but printed by the mass media,

is a good start.

[Jingthing]

Herd immunity?

 

We don't really know.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/07/omicron-silver-lining-boost-immunity/

 

Omicron could have a silver lining by boosting immunity, some experts say. But don’t bet on it.

[Muzzique]

On 1/5/2022 at 7:26 AM, placnx said:

The world number would be around 500,000, while in the US there were 27,000 deaths in the year preceding Covid:

You cannot compare Flu to COVID. Flu has been around for hundreds of years if not more. It has wiped all the millions of people without a natural immunisation. COVID measures have basically wiped the remnants of Flu out.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/

 

COVID however is a new disease and the only way to beat it is to let it run free and kill off all those without a natural immunity and those with natural immunity or a weak reaction to it will live on.

 

It's sad that so many have to die but we have been through this before with the Spanish flu in 1918.

 

 

You cannot hold back nature. The only way to beat it is to catch it early and isolate it before it can spread. We were warned about this happening by many people as early as 2012 who advised us to set up a global task force to be ready the moment it appears. No country listened and the World did nothing to prepare. That's why we are in this mess now.

 

People run from it like they do from fire and air travel has created the perfect global spreader mechanism.

 

If you want to protect humanity you just need to immunise, take of the masks and if it kills you, it kills you, but you die knowing that by taking you out your weakness is being removed from the global Gene pool.

The only things immunisation and face masks do is delay the inevitable to be dealt with by the next generations. That just means it will be around longer than flu, people have a better chance of a longer life but once it has peaked it will disappear quicker.

 

These are all the logics of COVID but on a personal level each death bring heartbreak. You have to weight up the personal human effect against the global logic.

 

On a political level I think it will be a balancing act between one and the other so the hospitals will not be overwhelmed. This is the approach the UK are taking, allowing it to run free, However the chances of mutation in the unvaccinated populations of the world means it will come back again and again and again.

[placnx]

17 hours ago, Muzzique said:

You cannot compare Flu to COVID. Flu has been around for hundreds of years if not more. It has wiped all the millions of people without a natural immunisation. COVID measures have basically wiped the remnants of Flu out.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/

 

COVID however is a new disease and the only way to beat it is to let it run free and kill off all those without a natural immunity and those with natural immunity or a weak reaction to it will live on.

 

It's sad that so many have to die but we have been through this before with the Spanish flu in 1918.

 

 

You cannot hold back nature. The only way to beat it is to catch it early and isolate it before it can spread. We were warned about this happening by many people as early as 2012 who advised us to set up a global task force to be ready the moment it appears. No country listened and the World did nothing to prepare. That's why we are in this mess now.

 

People run from it like they do from fire and air travel has created the perfect global spreader mechanism.

 

If you want to protect humanity you just need to immunise, take of the masks and if it kills you, it kills you, but you die knowing that by taking you out your weakness is being removed from the global Gene pool.

The only things immunisation and face masks do is delay the inevitable to be dealt with by the next generations. That just means it will be around longer than flu, people have a better chance of a longer life but once it has peaked it will disappear quicker.

 

These are all the logics of COVID but on a personal level each death bring heartbreak. You have to weight up the personal human effect against the global logic.

 

On a political level I think it will be a balancing act between one and the other so the hospitals will not be overwhelmed. This is the approach the UK are taking, allowing it to run free, However the chances of mutation in the unvaccinated populations of the world means it will come back again and again and again.

Don't worry, I was only clarifying a misstatement of statistics on flu, not equating the seriousness of Covid with flu.

 

It is difficult to reply to your post. There are many points which need to be rethought. About the UK strategy, they are not locking down, but are giving boosters ASAP.

 

About the unvaccinated world, it is definitely the fault of the West for not increasing vaccine production to take care of this. Last month some NGOs wrote to the White House about this issue: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/06/biden-advisers-new-covid-strategy/  

Among other things, they recommend a "a public, government-owned, contractor-operated (GOCO) manufacturing model" Text of letter attached. The White House is unfortunately immune to ideas which contradict "free market" ideology.

Partners in Health et al to White House 14dec21.pdf

[bumpity]

On 1/5/2022 at 7:38 PM, ozimoron said:

Are you kidding? A respiratory specialist isn't qualified to discuss a disease of the respiratory system?

Correct. He is not qualified to speak about viruses. An "epidemiologist" would be have the  expertise to speak and write about viruses. Pulmonologists treat lung diseases, including those that come from viruses. They aren't experts about the progress of viruses. 

[ozimoron]

32 minutes ago, bumpity said:

Correct. He is not qualified to speak about viruses. An "epidemiologist" would be have the  expertise to speak and write about viruses. Pulmonologists treat lung diseases, including those that come from viruses. They aren't experts about the progress of viruses. 

Rubbish. He's a specialist. There may be more narrow specialisations but to suggest that a pulmonologist has insufficient knowledge to opine about viruses affecting the lungs is ludicrous. Even a GP would likely have a decent amount of knowledge, especially when it's about the single most pressing heath crisis of this century.

[Jingthing]

Personally I wish more of these predictions about when the pandemic ends emphasized that at this point its impossible to know.

 

Emerging from Omicron there appears to be a majority of very optimistic projections.

 

But such projections minimize some inconvenient truths:

 

Massive vaccine hesitancy even in countries with excellent vaccine supply and distribution

 

Very low vaccination rates in most of the world

 

No plan to get all the world vaccinated quickly

 

Rampant vaccine misinformation

 

Great potential for new variants from both humans and other mammals

 

Unknown how well and for how long an Omicron infection would be protective against future variants

 

Effective treatments not very available to most

 

Testing logistics poor. Treatments often require very early treatment

 

Still unknown just how mild Omicron actually is because it hits populations already exposed to Covid

 

The sad fact that Covid 19 passes back and forth between humans and all other mammals. 

 

So based on the above the pandemic COULD go on for MANY years 

 

Could, not will. We just don't know. What we want doesn't matter. The virus is in the driver's seat.

Edited January 15, 2022 by Jingthing

[onthedarkside]

A pair of COVID trolling and misinformation post has been removed, along with several resulting replies.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 1/10/2022 at 5:52 PM, Muzzique said:

You cannot compare Flu to COVID.

You can compare the two diseases, in any number of ways, including for starters, the number of deaths attributed annually to each of those diseases...  But as the data below clearly shows, no, they're absolutely not comparable.

 

As an example:

 

"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide."

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

 

vs

 

nearly 2 million official COVID deaths worldwide during calendar 2020... three to six times more than the regular flu.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

 

And more than 3.5 million more deaths from COVID during calendar 2021:

 

For a total over the past 2 years of more than 5.5 million official COVID deaths, which is widely considered to be an undercount of reality.

 

 

https://covid19.who.int/

 

 

[xtrnuno41]

On 1/16/2022 at 8:13 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You can compare the two diseases, in any number of ways, including for starters, the number of deaths attributed annually to each of those diseases...  But as the data below clearly shows, no, they're absolutely not comparable.

 

As an example:

 

"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide."

 

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

 

vs

 

nearly 2 million official COVID deaths worldwide during calendar 2020... three to six times more than the regular flu.

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/

 

And more than 3.5 million more deaths from COVID during calendar 2021:

 

For a total over the past 2 years of more than 5.5 million official COVID deaths, which is widely considered to be an undercount of reality.

 

 

https://covid19.who.int/

 

 

In 2017/18 in 18 weeks time we had 10000 people dying related to flu.

No one was shouting or ordering mouth caps, distancing or whatever. I wasnt even aware of it.

Now with covid we have until now(2 years) 21000 people dying related to covid.

 

Spanish flu 1918 costed worldwide an estimated 100 million people to die.

Still leaving enough people to start a WW2.

In 2 years time now on Covid just a 5,6 million people died, is peanuts compared to the total amount of people we have now.

In  my lifetime population has trippled. And that causes a lot of problems for our home, earth.

We must cut back on expanding our selves. Or is covid already invented to do so?

We already had some failures in SARS, MERS, H1 N1 all from same family, but not so effective as covid now. As those didnt spread that well.

The Spanish flu was also related to this group. 

I still have a weird feeling about those viruses popping up out of nowhere.

You cant say to the world, they cant have babies anymore for a time of period, but with a virus, you dont have too, it's nature.

    

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, xtrnuno41 said:

In 2017/18 in 18 weeks time we had 10000 people dying related to flu.

No one was shouting or ordering mouth caps, distancing or whatever. I wasnt even aware of it.

Now with covid we have until now(2 years) 21000 people dying related to covid.

 

Spanish flu 1918 costed worldwide an estimated 100 million people to die.

Still leaving enough people to start a WW2.

In 2 years time now on Covid just a 5,6 million people died, is peanuts compared to the total amount of people we have now.

In  my lifetime population has trippled. And that causes a lot of problems for our home, earth.

We must cut back on expanding our selves. Or is covid already invented to do so?

We already had some failures in SARS, MERS, H1 N1 all from same family, but not so effective as covid now. As those didnt spread that well.

The Spanish flu was also related to this group. 

I still have a weird feeling about those viruses popping up out of nowhere.

You cant say to the world, they cant have babies anymore for a time of period, but with a virus, you dont have too, it's nature.

We actually have a lot of resources an effort put into convincing the elderly to get flu shots every year when the season approaches.

[placnx]

On 1/18/2022 at 5:21 PM, xtrnuno41 said:

We already had some failures in SARS, MERS, H1 N1 all from same family, but not so effective as covid now. As those didnt spread that well.

The Spanish flu was also related to this group.

These viruses are not all the same group. H1N1 (1918 Spanish flu). MERS, SARS, Covid are Coronaviruses. Quite distinct, different phyla.