ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[macahoom]

34 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Our 2 MG EV's are the first new cars I have ever had not needing warranty work (yet).

My MG EV is four years old. The only warranty work: The small battery went flat about a week after I took delivery. They came to the house and swopped it for a new one.

[JBChiangRai]

24 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The challenge for EU is not so much all the new name Chinese brands arriving in Europe, the real danger is if European manufacturers start producing EVs for the Europen market in China ????????.  Then it is game over for the Europen car industry and million of jobs are lost 

It's hard to argue with Economics, and also Legislation...

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, macahoom said:

My MG EV is four years old. The only warranty work: The small battery went flat about a week after I took delivery. They came to the house and swopped it for a new one.

I had a huge problem with a Ford Ranger Wildtrak 3.2, it destroyed batteries every 12 months.  On test at the dealership it wasn't charging the battery properly.  They sent up an expert from Ford in Bangkok who said it was a "feature", they tried to keep the battery 70% charged only because of heat in Thailand.

 

I am in favour of planned replacement of 12v batteries every 2-3 years.  I changed the battery on my youngest daughter's Suzuki Ciaz at 3 years old just before she left for 1st year University.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

You seem to indicate that (lack of) charging stations is one of the main reasons you are not interested in getting an EV at the moment. Tell us, honestly, why sort of mileage do you incur annually and some approximation of the breakdown. Is it 90:10 long journeys vs short journeys? Or 50:50? Or 20:80? I average 500 km per week. Even if there is a CS next door to me, I won’t need to charge there as I can just plug in at the comfort of my own home.

 

Even the UK you say. Is it fair to compare the charging network in Thailand to that of a third world country? Bear in mind also the different (not sure if this is the right word to use) demographics of vehicle owners between the 2 countries. In the UK, a lot of vehicle owners don’t have dedicated off street parking. In Thailand, I would wager that the majority of vehicle owners live in landed properties with a driveway or porch. Less need for public CS.

 

I am not interested in getting a new car any time soon..............????

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

What is the problem with MG displaying wrong mileages?

SeñorLA's MG is displaying the wrong unit for milage.

Ur MG isn't doing the same?

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

SeñorLA's MG is displaying the wrong unit for milage.

Ur MG isn't doing the same?

I never check mine.

 

Can you walk me through where it's wrong?  it doesn't look maths error to me.

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

SeñorLA's MG is displaying the wrong unit for milage.

I don't understand what you mean. The only distance unit I can see is kms.

 

Sorry, I deleted my calculation as I need to check it. I may have made a mistake.

[ExpatOilWorker]

8 minutes ago, macahoom said:

I don't understand what you mean. The only distance unit I can see is kms.

 

That said, there does seem to be something a bit crazy about Khun LA's calculation:

 

The screenshot of his dash display shows 12.3km/kWh which, by the way, seems to be an unbelievably low figure.

 

And in his calculation he uses the 12.3 figure for kWh/100kms - (12.3kWh/100kms).

 

Doesn't make sense. Or maybe I'm missing something.

12.3 kWh/100 km is the correct value, it is just displayed in the wrong unit (km/kWh).

[macahoom]

10 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

12.3 kWh/100 km is the correct value, it is just displayed in the wrong unit (km/kWh).

Yeh, that makes more sense.

 

It's very strange the display says km/kWh.

[Fruit Trader]

44 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

12.3 kWh/100 km is the correct value, it is just displayed in the wrong unit (km/kWh).

You mean like this variant lifted from a concise Reddit post.

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

19 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

You mean like this variant lifted from a concise Reddit post.

 

Yep and the Reddit poster have a little heavier foot than LA and in the right unit.

What was the comments on the Reddit post?

[Fruit Trader]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

What was the comments on the Reddit post?

A Norwegian post I believe, the owner is impressed with winter performance. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 hours ago, macahoom said:

My MG EV is four years old. The only warranty work: The small battery went flat about a week after I took delivery. They came to the house and swopped it for a new one.

What type of battery does your MG have?

[macahoom]

39 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

What type of battery does your MG have?

I have no idea.

 

And I've just realised it's lasted 4 years, which is longer than any battery I've ever had over the past 18 years in Thailand. 

 

I've just had a look at my MG app and the voltage of the battery is 13.0V. That's pretty healthy, I think.

[JBChiangRai]

5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The challenge for EU is not so much all the new name Chinese brands arriving in Europe, the real danger is if European manufacturers start producing EVs for the Europen market in China ????????.  Then it is game over for the Europen car industry and million of jobs are lost 

It’s called Globalisation, great for some, not so much for others

[JBChiangRai]

Km per kwhr or kwhrs per 100km are both ok.

 

I had a camry which switched between km per litre and litres per 100km

 

confusing

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

4 minutes ago, macahoom said:

I have no idea.

 

And I've just realised it's lasted 4 years, which is longer than any battery I've ever had over the past 18 years in Thailand. 

I mean the main drive battery. Is it LCO, LMO or the newer LFP?

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I mean the main drive battery. Is it LCO, LMO or the newer LFP?

I just Googled it.

 

It's a 2019 model which has a lithium-ion battery.

[Jack Cook]

Cars are made to drink gas. I just simply wouldn’t even get in a so called EV let alone buy one. I’d like to know what would happen if every car in just Bangkok, let alone Thailand had to plug in. There is no good or rational answer to that question ????????????????

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, Jack Cook said:

Cars are made to drink gas. I just simply wouldn’t even get in a so called EV let alone buy one. I’d like to know what would happen if every car in just Bangkok, let alone Thailand had to plug in. There is no good or rational answer to that question ????????????????

Do you mean every car plugging in? or every EV plugging in?

 

The former is impossible, the latter is probably but eminently possible.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Jack Cook said:

I’d like to know what would happen if every car in just Bangkok, let alone Thailand had to plug in.

The air would be much nicer, and the city much quieter.  It would actually be enjoyable knocking around the city on foot.

[Gweiloman]

19 hours ago, Jack Cook said:

Cars are made to drink gas. I just simply wouldn’t even get in a so called EV let alone buy one. I’d like to know what would happen if every car in just Bangkok, let alone Thailand had to plug in. There is no good or rational answer to that question ????????????????

As you’ve never been in an EV, you obviously won’t know anything about the ride and performance of an EV. You obviously won’t know that plugging it in at home every evening for a few hours is as easy as taking your shoes off. You also won’t know that if you have solar power, it costs almost nothing to charge the car.

 

Seems like there’s a lot about EVs that you don’t know.

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

As you’ve never been in an EV, you obviously won’t know anything about the ride and performance of an EV. You obviously won’t know that plugging it in at home every evening for a few hours is as easy as taking your shoes off. You also won’t know that if you have solar power, it costs almost nothing to charge the car.

 

Seems like there’s a lot about EVs that you don’t know.

Wow, what kind of shoes do you wear?

[KhunLA]

 

BUT ... eco friendly

[KhunLA]

As if fossil fuel conglomerates didn't have windfall profits of late.  They get huge subsidies:

 

"Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP'

 

Source:  IMF Fossil Fuel Subsidies Data: 2023 Update

 

And they'll (corrupt govts) will tell you your tax $$$ are going toward slowing or solving MMCC/GW ... ????

 

Reads more like they are perpetuating it.

 

[Yellowtail]

17 hours ago, KhunLA said:

As if fossil fuel conglomerates didn't have windfall profits of late.  They get huge subsidies:

 

"Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP'

 

Source:  IMF Fossil Fuel Subsidies Data: 2023 Update

 

And they'll (corrupt govts) will tell you your tax $$$ are going toward slowing or solving MMCC/GW ... ????

 

Reads more like they are perpetuating it.

 

"Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP..."

 

The way the left comes up with the $7 trillion number is hilarious. That people like you (apparently) believe it is even funnier. 

 

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 9/30/2023 at 4:43 AM, Yellowtail said:

"Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP..."

 

The way the left comes up with the $7 trillion number is hilarious. That people like you (apparently) believe it is even funnier. 

That figure is from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Whatever else the IMF might be, it could hardly be described as a leftist organization.

[ExpatOilWorker]

On 9/29/2023 at 5:37 PM, KhunLA said:

As if fossil fuel conglomerates didn't have windfall profits of late.  They get huge subsidies:

 

"Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP'

 

Source:  IMF Fossil Fuel Subsidies Data: 2023 Update

 

And they'll (corrupt govts) will tell you your tax $$$ are going toward slowing or solving MMCC/GW ... ????

 

Reads more like they are perpetuating it.

 

What is the subsidies on your EV?

[vinny41]

My electric car malfunctioned and brakes stopped working – I had to crash into a police van, it was terrifying

 

A TERRIFIED electric car driver has told how he was forced to crash his motor into police to stop the runaway vehicle after the brakes stopped working.

Brian Morrison, 54, says he’s lucky to have avoided serious tragedy after his six-month-old electric motor malfunctioned on his drive home from work on Sunday night.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/motors/11320530/electric-vehicle-car-brakes-malfunction-glasgow-police/

[vinny41]

@transam@KhunLAMaybe the forum resident MG experts would like to comment as it would appear Brake failure has happened in the past

Here an report from September 2021

MG’s first official response was to blame the presence of a dash cam in the car and that this somehow caused the issue. They refused to both look at the dash cam footage or inspect the car. The repairs won’t investigate the braking system as their mandate comes from the insurance and not the manufactures and the insurance won’t intervene or investigate.

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/brakes-failed.3473/