Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

[marcardar]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, it's a sample size of 21 who died. Most of the people of Thailand have never had coronavirus.

That's not what sample size means. Anyway, why not comment on these bigger numbers which destroy your argument:

 

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https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm

 

In summary let's look at the first and last week available:

 

In first week of September 2021 (7793 deaths):

 

Fully vaccinated with booster deaths: 11 (0.1%)

Fully vaccinated deaths: 1437 (18.4%)

Unvaccinated deaths: 6,345 (81.4%)

 

In first week of December 2021 (2912 deaths):

 

Fully vaccinated with booster deaths: 61 (2.1%)

Fully vaccinated deaths: 621 (21.3%)

Unvaccinated deaths: 2,230 (76.6%)

 

 

[Jeffr2]

24 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Luckily, every POTUS has always a predecessor to be blamed for... 

Except the last who inherited a country doing extremely well. The current one wasn't so lucky.

 

P.S. I'm no fan of any of the recent presidents.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, marcardar said:

That's not what sample size means. Anyway, why not comment on these bigger numbers which destroy your argument:

 

 

The original post says this

 

The analysis was released in May of 2021 and looks at COVID-19 related deaths in vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals—only .8% (150) of vaccinated people accounted for the 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May.

 

It does not mention the whole population of the US. The sample size was 18,000. In your link the sample size was 21.

 

Sample size refers to the number of participants or observations included in a study.

 

https://www.iwh.on.ca/what-researchers-mean-by/sample-size-and-power

 

Got a link to prove that's wrong?

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most American movies I've seen have apparently unhealthy people walking around ( that is as regards the extras, not necessarily the cast ). If a large proportion of the population is already unhealthy, it could go some way to explaining it.

 

BTW, didn't Biden claim he could "fix it" before he was elected?

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1517/get-covid-19-under-control/

On the campaign trail last year, Joe Biden promised that if elected president, he would get COVID-19 under control.

That was before Omicron and Delta. If the next variant turns out to be worse, are you going to blame that on Biden, too?

 

Biden did manage to get the original strain under control.

[Danderman123]

Is there some part of this chart that is hard to understand? Get vaccinated…

Edited February 3, 2022 by Danderman123

[marcardar]

37 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Got a link to prove that's wrong?

Why do you continue to avoid this data that proves your 99% unvaccinated constant to be nonsense:

 

 

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https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/d6p8-wqjm

 

In summary let's look at the first and last week available:

 

In first week of September 2021 (7793 deaths):

 

Fully vaccinated with booster deaths: 11 (0.1%)

Fully vaccinated deaths: 1437 (18.4%)

Unvaccinated deaths: 6,345 (81.4%)

 

In first week of December 2021 (2912 deaths):

 

Fully vaccinated with booster deaths: 61 (2.1%)

Fully vaccinated deaths: 621 (21.3%)

Unvaccinated deaths: 2,230 (76.6%)

 

[chieftan]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Get vaccinated

AND avoid going to America unless you want to increase your odds of dying from covid. One of the wealthiest and most modern, advanced nations on the planet also claims more lives to covid than any other country.

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9 minutes ago, chieftan said:

AND avoid going to America unless you want to increase your odds of dying from covid. One of the wealthiest and most modern, advanced nations on the planet also claims more lives to covid than any other country.

America's performance was and remains miserable compared to most nations. And it is the worst among economically fully developed nations. But adjusted for population size it's not the worst.  Russia, Brazil, and Mexico performed even more poorly. Most likely others as well.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/global?view=cumulative-deaths&tab=trend

[Scott]

The Director of the CDC, Rochelle Walensky, was on television today.  In the brief clip, she said that 97% of the deaths are from unvaccinated people. 

 

I haven't found a link to her comments, but will keep an eye out for it.  

 

The gated community where I live had a relatively large outbreak of Covid in the past month.  It was most likely caused by the resumption of indoor activities at the local community center.   Most of the people are older and most are fully vaccinated and boosted, but a handful are holdouts.

 

None of those with breakthrough cases were hospitalized, but most said they wouldn't describe it as 'mild'.  Most were quite sick for 5 days and had an overall recovery time of about 7 days, 5 days in bed and then 2 days of being up and about, but still far from feeling well.  All of them have said they have lingering effects, mostly things like fatigue.  The women have fared much better than the men.  Interestingly, quite a few of the couples had one person infected, but not the other. 

 

One couple who are not vaccinated and both got sick.  They are in their early 60s and required medical attention, but not hospitalization.   Their recovery has been very long.  They were infected in early Dec.  and still are having trouble with fatigue and brain fog.   He can't walk all the way to the community mailboxes, about the same distance as a football field.   His wife is in her late 50's and he's late 60's.   He was treated with Ivermectin and the wife with hydroxychloroquine -- it was by prescription.  

[ozimoron]

People who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are 97 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than people who are vaccinated and boosted, according to data presented Wednesday by US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-02-02-22/h_dd2cf8efe04c663a823209c61fa09747

[pomchop]

and yet it goes on and on page after page week after week day after day.......squabble over percentages, methods, statistics, etc....can't see the forest for the trees types who simply refuse to see what is as clear as day.....

 

 

Many will spend hours scouring the internet to find some crackpot idiots claiming to dispute the obvious fact that vaccinations save untold numbers of lives and hospitalizations rather than spend 20 mins to go get a shot.  It is truly stupid behavior that has and continues to prolong the covid disruption of lives and economies worldwide.  Just admit you were and are wrong and go get the damn shots.

[shdmn]

39 minutes ago, pomchop said:

and yet it goes on and on page after page week after week day after day.......squabble over percentages, methods, statistics, etc....can't see the forest for the trees types who simply refuse to see what is as clear as day.....

 

 

Many will spend hours scouring the internet to find some crackpot idiots claiming to dispute the obvious fact that vaccinations save untold numbers of lives and hospitalizations rather than spend 20 mins to go get a shot.  It is truly stupid behavior that has and continues to prolong the covid disruption of lives and economies worldwide.  Just admit you were and are wrong and go get the damn shots.

They will also try claim that it's some giant conspiracy that all gov'ts all over the world are in on.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, chieftan said:

AND avoid going to America unless you want to increase your odds of dying from covid. One of the wealthiest and most modern, advanced nations on the planet also claims more lives to covid than any other country.

Because of 70 million unvaccinated mostly idiots. 

[shdmn]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

People who are not vaccinated against Covid-19 are 97 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than people who are vaccinated and boosted, according to data presented Wednesday by US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-02-02-22/h_dd2cf8efe04c663a823209c61fa09747

"I'm still not convinced."

 

--Average anti-vaxxer

Edited February 3, 2022 by shdmn

[thaibeachlovers]

 

19 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Per your link, it's a work in progress.  He's not out of office yet and has several years to deal with this.  Remember, he inherited a mess created by the previous administration.  And a pandemic made political.

Had you read the post I quoted, you'd know that I was responding to "I remember biden passing pandemic management to the governors a while back in December".

If he has, how is HE going to fix it?

I'd like to expand on that but might be regarded as political as regarding the midterm elections this year.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, chieftan said:

AND avoid going to America unless you want to increase your odds of dying from covid. One of the wealthiest and most modern, advanced nations on the planet also claims more lives to covid than any other country.

One always needs to remember that despite the US being a wealthy country, it has a vast population of poor people and a capitalist health system.

[Credo]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Had you read the post I quoted, you'd know that I was responding to "I remember biden passing pandemic management to the governors a while back in December".

If he has, how is HE going to fix it?

I'd like to expand on that but might be regarded as political as regarding the midterm elections this year.

There are gray areas between federal and state powers, but the greatest amount of power lies with the states in controlling how the pandemic is handled.   The federal gov't has control over all federal personnel, land and interstate transportation.   

 

You may recall that when the pandemic began and states -- note it was states -- that closed down, they were following guidelines not some federal law.  You might remember that Trump was demanding that the states open up, which many did.   

 

There wasn't much that to 'pass' on to the states.

 

The best chance of getting a significant handle on the pandemic was with the vaccine mandate for businesses employing over 100 people.  That was overturned by the Court.  So, other than testing, which has been expanded with every household being able to obtain free at-home test kits and supplying free N-95 masks, there is not a lot that the president or federal gov't can do.  They continue to urge vaccines, urge masking when and where appropriate, but most of the authority to proactively address issues lie with the states now as it always has.   

 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Had you read the post I quoted, you'd know that I was responding to "I remember biden passing pandemic management to the governors a while back in December".

If he has, how is HE going to fix it?

I'd like to expand on that but might be regarded as political as regarding the midterm elections this year.

Because you are taking his words out of context. His point was that the Feds can’t do it alone, nor should they. Do you disagree?

[sezze]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One always needs to remember that despite the US being a wealthy country, it has a vast population of poor people and a capitalist health system.

Not to forget also , uneducated .As far as i heard , you can get vaccinated easy in US , even get paid for it in some places . So being poor or capitalist is not the reason , being uneducated is . Hospitals can only try to fix something which is already broken , if they were vaccinated , they would not be in that spot .

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.

 

[Credo]

5 minutes ago, sezze said:

Not to forget also , uneducated .As far as i heard , you can get vaccinated easy in US , even get paid for it in some places . So being poor or capitalist is not the reason , being uneducated is . Hospitals can only try to fix something which is already broken , if they were vaccinated , they would not be in that spot .

Actually, a lot of businesses do pay employees to get vaccinated.  I know someone who works for Amazon and was paid $60 for each of the two vaccines and $40 for getting the booster.  Not long ago, I heard of another large employer paying $100 for vaccination (I am not sure if that was per shot) and I know a lady who says when it hits $500, she's getting vaccinated!  

[chieftan]

5 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Because of 70 million unvaccinated mostly idiots. 

Unfortunately yes, and being the most obese country on the planet may be the difference in addition to the US's epic failure in causing 18th highest covid death rate in the world. Throw in the government’s completely failed response to this pandemic and you are staring at a colossal failure. The rest of the world is running circles around everthing covid in America.

Lock downs are easing around the globe now, another area where US failed miserably. What a mess.

Lock down reports

"The use of lockdowns is a unique feature of the COVID-19 pandemic. Lockdowns have not been used to such a large extent during any of the pandemics of the past century. However, lockdowns during the initial phase of the COVID-19 pandemic have had devastating effects. They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy. These costs to society must be compared to the benefits of lockdowns, which our meta-analysis has shown are marginal at best. Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument."

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Many countries, especially lower income, African nations and others have much lower vaccination rates than US and also much lower covid death rates.

And those 70M unvaxxed you alluded to, well you can add had another 100M or so now since 2 jabs ain't working (boosters are required for full vaccination now) and bidens booster program is struggling along with all their covid mitigation plans.

Moderna's omicron specific booster won't be available until sometime this summer, (first half of this year). Big HUGE problems for the US.

 

People don't trust the governments, medical profession, CDC, FDA, phizer, etc. Mistrust is huge issue there as well. People are afraid of big government, so much misinformation, lies and heavy handed attempts to impose vaccine mandates has spooked Americans.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00172-6/fulltext#seccestitle10

The unvvacinated are likely to stay that way now unless significant improvements are initiated in all ares discussed above.

The only thing you can do is moan and complain about it and attack the unvaxed and play the ridiculous blame game.

 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by chieftan

[Scott]

The US is not the most obese country in the world.  Please don't post false information.  

 

[Jeffr2]

30 minutes ago, Scott said:

The US is not the most obese country in the world.  Please don't post false information.  

 

True.  And the difference between the US and many other Western nations isn't that much.  They're all overweight.  It's a global problem.

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5 hours ago, chieftan said:

Unfortunately yes, and being the most obese country on the planet may be the difference in addition to the US's epic failure in causing 18th highest covid death rate in the world. Throw in the government’s completely failed response to this pandemic and you are staring at a colossal failure. The rest of the world is running circles around everthing covid in America.

Lock downs are easing around the globe now, another area where US failed miserably. What a mess.

Lock down reports

"The use of lockdowns is a unique feature of the COVID-19 pandemic. Lockdowns have not been used to such a large extent during any of the pandemics of the past century. However, lockdowns during the initial phase of the COVID-19 pandemic have had devastating effects. They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy. These costs to society must be compared to the benefits of lockdowns, which our meta-analysis has shown are marginal at best. Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument."

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Many countries, especially lower income, African nations and others have much lower vaccination rates than US and also much lower covid death rates.

And those 70M unvaxxed you alluded to, well you can add had another 100M or so now since 2 jabs ain't working (boosters are required for full vaccination now) and bidens booster program is struggling along with all their covid mitigation plans.

Moderna's omicron specific booster won't be available until sometime this summer, (first half of this year). Big HUGE problems for the US.

 

People don't trust the governments, medical profession, CDC, FDA, phizer, etc. Mistrust is huge issue there as well. People are afraid of big government, so much misinformation, lies and heavy handed attempts to impose vaccine mandates has spooked Americans.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00172-6/fulltext#seccestitle10

The unvvacinated are likely to stay that way now unless significant improvements are initiated in all ares discussed above.

The only thing you can do is moan and complain about it and attack the unvaxed and play the ridiculous blame game.

 

 

 

The USA may be the most obese country among all genuinely economicaly advanced nations, but it's closely followed by New Zealand, #2, Australia #4, the UK #5, and Canada #6. So tell us, how did Australia, New Zealand, and Canada do so much better? And keep in mind that Canada shares a huge border with the United States.

 

So much to refute here. A genuine comedy of errors.

That review you point to is a working paper from 3 right extremely rightwing economists. Here's a link to  commentary from public health experts that undermine their claims:

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-a-preprint-looking-at-the-impact-of-lockdowns-as-posted-on-the-john-hopkins-krieger-school-of-arts-and-sciences-website/

 

As for African countries have a lower rate rate of vaccination and deaths. As the WHO has pointed out, many of these nations have rudimentary or non existent reporting systems. It takes money to support an adequate public health reporting system. Many developing nations simply can't afford one or haven't made public health systems a priority. And not just that. You take absolutely no account of the fact that the median age in the least developed of these countries is far far lower than that of developed nations. Malawi, for instance, has a median age of 18 vs. South Africas median of 27, 

 

As for your ridiculous comment that boosters aren't working...as Rochelle Wollensky pointed out, the boosted enjoy by far the lowest mortality rate. Stop making things up.

Covid booster shots effective against severe illness from omicron, CDC studies say

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/booster-shots-effective-severe-illness-omicron-rcna13038

 

AS for mistrust of govt, that obviously has a strong political dimension. In America members of the one major political party are far less likely to be vaccinated than those of the other. Consequently, their death rate is far far higher. This nonsense has been inflamed by many media sources, including the largest cable news channel. And  stop making generalizations such as "people are afraid" etc. Some people are afraid, In teh USA it's mostly those ont he political right and the less educated.

As for attacking the unvaxxed, it clear that they are responsible for the continuing gravity of the pandemic in developed and developing nations. So unless you think that accurately assigning responsibility is somehow blaming, your point is ridiculous.

Edited February 4, 2022 by placeholder

[Danderman123]

12 hours ago, chieftan said:

Unfortunately yes, and being the most obese country on the planet may be the difference in addition to the US's epic failure in causing 18th highest covid death rate in the world. Throw in the government’s completely failed response to this pandemic and you are staring at a colossal failure. The rest of the world is running circles around everthing covid in America.

Lock downs are easing around the globe now, another area where US failed miserably. What a mess.

Lock down reports

"The use of lockdowns is a unique feature of the COVID-19 pandemic. Lockdowns have not been used to such a large extent during any of the pandemics of the past century. However, lockdowns during the initial phase of the COVID-19 pandemic have had devastating effects. They have contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy. These costs to society must be compared to the benefits of lockdowns, which our meta-analysis has shown are marginal at best. Such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion: lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument."

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Many countries, especially lower income, African nations and others have much lower vaccination rates than US and also much lower covid death rates.

And those 70M unvaxxed you alluded to, well you can add had another 100M or so now since 2 jabs ain't working (boosters are required for full vaccination now) and bidens booster program is struggling along with all their covid mitigation plans.

Moderna's omicron specific booster won't be available until sometime this summer, (first half of this year). Big HUGE problems for the US.

 

People don't trust the governments, medical profession, CDC, FDA, phizer, etc. Mistrust is huge issue there as well. People are afraid of big government, so much misinformation, lies and heavy handed attempts to impose vaccine mandates has spooked Americans.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)00172-6/fulltext#seccestitle10

The unvvacinated are likely to stay that way now unless significant improvements are initiated in all ares discussed above.

The only thing you can do is moan and complain about it and attack the unvaxed and play the ridiculous blame game.

 

The unvaxxed are prolonging the epidemic. Plus, they are many times more likely to die from Covid.

 

They don’t have to trust the government, they can trust the virus to kill them.

[chieftan]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

they can trust the virus to kill them.

And yes is it ever killing them, at a rate 28 times more than Africa, 18 times more than Asia and on and on and on it goes. That's some impressive achievement, even worse than Australia for covid failure. The bovine scatology has hit the oscillatory rotor head on and America is helpless to fix their problems! Disgusting to say the least.

7 day rolling death/million

Please update death rates by vaccination status for analysis if you have this information.

Edited February 4, 2022 by chieftan

[Credo]

10 minutes ago, chieftan said:

 <The bovine scatology has hit the oscillatory rotor head on and America is helpless to fix their problems! Disgusting to say the least.>

 

You can't fix stupid and there are a lot of stupid people.  Many people wear their ignorance and anti-science stance as a badge of honor.  

[Jeffr2]

7 hours ago, Credo said:

You can't fix stupid and there are a lot of stupid people.  Many people wear their ignorance and anti-science stance as a badge of honor.  

We see a lot of that from members just here on TVF! 

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13 hours ago, chieftan said:

And yes is it ever killing them, at a rate 28 times more than Africa, 18 times more than Asia and on and on and on it goes. That's some impressive achievement, even worse than Australia for covid failure. The bovine scatology has hit the oscillatory rotor head on and America is helpless to fix their problems! Disgusting to say the least.

7 day rolling death/million

Please update death rates by vaccination status for analysis if you have this information.

You're still ignoring the fact that

a)public health systems in poor nations are very unreliable in respect to reporting

b)in lots of these countries, particularly in Africa, median ages are far younger.

For instance, Nigeria, the African nation with the highest population has a median age of 18.1. Compare that to the USA which has a median age of 38.1. More than twice as high. And it's even worse than that looks because the percentage of Americans reaching advanced old age is far higher than it is in Nigeria.

c)obesity rates in high income and middle income countries are mostly far higher than in low income countries

 

None of this excuses the poor performance of the USA. But that's largely down to politics now, where one segment of the population that's aligned with one political party, has a far lower vaccination rate and a far higher mortality rate than does the other party. Absent forced vaccination, which is a political impossibility, that won't change until enough unvaccinated people become infected so that some sort of equilibrium is achieved.