Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[rudi49jr]

FSB instructed to kill Prigozhin – Chief of Defence Intelligence Ukraine

 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/30/7409244/

[jvs]

8 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

FSB instructed to kill Prigozhin – Chief of Defence Intelligence Ukraine

 

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/30/7409244/

Yes there is no way a guy like putin would let him get away with what happened last week.

Could this backfire and prigozhin decides to go back to moscow?

That would be a show to see.

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Yes there is no way a guy like putin would let him get away with what happened last week.

Could this backfire and prigozhin decides to go back to moscow?

That would be a show to see.

Apparently one of the reasons Prigozhin/Wagner terminated their march on Moscow was that FSB had rounded up all the relatives of Wagner fighters they could find and threatened to torture or kill them. I don’t think many fighters will follow Prigozhin to Moscow again when their loved ones run the risk of ending up dead. 

[jvs]

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Apparently one of the reasons Prigozhin/Wagner terminated their march on Moscow was that FSB had rounded up all the relatives of Wagner fighters they could find and threatened to torture or kill them. I don’t think many fighters will follow Prigozhin to Moscow again when their loved ones run the risk of ending up dead. 

I have also seen this rumor but i can not find any real articles on it.

 

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

I have also seen this rumor but i can not find any real articles on it.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-threatened-families-of-wagner-uprising-leaders-telegraph-2023-6?international=true&r=US&IR=T

[stevenl]

On 7/1/2023 at 8:06 AM, jvs said:

Yes there is no way a guy like putin would let him get away with what happened last week.

Could this backfire and prigozhin decides to go back to moscow?

That would be a show to see.

Unfortunately that seems wishful thinking.

[jvs]

45 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Unfortunately that seems wishful thinking.

Maybe not all.

 

[rabas]

Happiness comes in many forms.

 

VIDEO: Eastern Ukraine closeup MANPADS intercept.

 

When it locks on, it sounds like an old style modem carrier lock squeal. Love to have a translation.

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by rabas

[rudi49jr]

Moscow says 700,000 children from Ukraine conflict zones now in Russia.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moscow-says-700000-children-ukraine-conflict-zones-now-russia-2023-07-03/

 

What they fail to mention is that these children were not removed from war-torn areas in Ukraine with the children’s best interest and well-being at heart, but that almost all of these children were abducted/kidnapped and are now living all over Russia with their new ‘families’, with no intention whatsoever to repatriate them at some point in the future.

[onthedarkside]

Off topic post and reply removed along with a video.

[Bkk Brian]

Best fireworks display so far, good clip of a Russian rocket storage blown to pieces. 

 

Screenshot and link. Pointless rendering the full twitter link display as you need to have signed up to twitter to view. If you have an account then click the link.

 

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1676512131125063680

 

[jvs]

Scary stuff.

 

[rudi49jr]

They keep dropping like flies. Working in the vicinity of Putin must be the world’s most dangerous occupation.

 

“Putin ally’s minister Aleksey Avramenko dies suddenly in latest mystery death to hit Russia’s cronies in Belarus”.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22931994/putin-ally-belarus-lukashenko-death-mystery-crony/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunyoutubestories

[rabas]

The Russian Ruble is now freely convertible to rubble.

 

It entered an exponential decline last month that even lies can't fix, now today it's gone ballistic. 

 

[onthedarkside]

Lots of interesting updates from CNN on this, including video of the raid on Prigozhin's office in Saint Petersburg.

 

LIVE UPDATES
Russia's war in Ukraine

Belarusian President Lukashenko tells CNN Wagner boss is in St. Petersburg, not Belarus as agreed

 

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin is currently in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told CNN during a press conference with international media in Minsk.

 

In response to a question from CNN's Matthew Chance, Lukashenko said that Wagner forces were at their “regular camps,” implying that they are not in Belarus.

 

“In terms of Yevgeny Prigozhin, he is in St Petersburg. Or maybe this morning he would travel to Moscow or elsewhere,” Lukashenko said. “But he is not on the territory of Belarus now.”

 

READ MORE

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-06-23/index.html

[ThailandRyan]

One has to wonder if the Wagner boss is alive or dead with this information.

 

 

39 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

Lots of interesting updates from CNN on this, including video of the raid on Prigozhin's office in Saint Petersburg.

 

LIVE UPDATES
Russia's war in Ukraine

Belarusian President Lukashenko tells CNN Wagner boss is in St. Petersburg, not Belarus as agreed

 

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin is currently in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told CNN during a press conference with international media in Minsk.

 

In response to a question from CNN's Matthew Chance, Lukashenko said that Wagner forces were at their “regular camps,” implying that they are not in Belarus.

 

“In terms of Yevgeny Prigozhin, he is in St Petersburg. Or maybe this morning he would travel to Moscow or elsewhere,” Lukashenko said. “But he is not on the territory of Belarus now.”

 

READ MORE

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-07-06-23/index.html

 

[rudi49jr]

Just a few of Prigozhin’s disguises. Hilarious.

 

 

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

One has to wonder if the Wagner boss is alive or dead with this information.

 

 

 

In that CNN report it says Lukashenko says he just spoke to Prigozhin on the phone in St Petersburg, and then, unasked, suddenly said that he doesn't think Putin will kill him.  Seems a strange thing to state if no one actually asked the question.  

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

In that CNN report it says Lukashenko says he just spoke to Prigozhin on the phone in St Petersburg, and then, unasked, suddenly said that he doesn't think Putin will kill him.  Seems a strange thing to state if no one actually asked the question.  

Have to admit, its strange that Prigozhin has not released a selfie video to give proof of life. He was regularly releasing vids and statements on Telegram before the event.

[stevenl]

14 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Have to admit, its strange that Prigozhin has not released a selfie video to give proof of life. He was regularly releasing vids and statements on Telegram before the event.

He is being attacked on Russian state media. Seems a signal he is still alive.

[Bkk Brian]

17 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Just a few of Prigozhin’s disguises. Hilarious.

 

 

They are hilarious, some of the more amusing finds in his place of residence were the wigs he used to disguise himself, some of the others not so good such as the framed photo of severed heads and the sledge hammer with the words “For important negotiations” printed on the side.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/07/06/cash-a-sledgehammer-and-an-arsenal-of-wigs

 

[LosLobo]

Seems like it's almost a done deal.......

 

 

What are the cluster munitions the US is expected to supply Ukraine? | CNN

[rudi49jr]

“VLADIMIR Putin's "General Armageddon" has not been seen in almost two weeks and missed his wife's birthday - further stoking fears he has been purged.”

 

I have no fear at all.. I would not be in sorrow’s clutch if this guy had kicked the bucket, and I’m betting a lot of people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and especially Syria will be having a big party if/when the news comes out that this butcher is dead. I say good riddance!

 

https://www.the-sun.com/news/8543280/fears-putin-general-armageddon-purged-vanished-2-weeks/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunyoutubestories

[ThailandRyan]

The plot thickens. Russia extermination of its internal foes.

[SunnyinBangrak]

12 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Seems like it's almost a done deal.......

 

 

What are the cluster munitions the US is expected to supply Ukraine? | CNN

this must be n error. Isn't the use of these considered a "war crime" by the biden admin? So they are hardly going to knowingly commit war crimes, right?

 

"we've seen a range of reports, dana, that are horrifying about the use of barbaric tactics whether cluster bombs or other tactics that we've seen that could be classified as a war crime" Jen Psaki

https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20220301_140000_Americas_Newsroom_With_Bill_Hemmer__Dana_Perino/start/3870/end/3930

 

An interesting collection of comments regarding these cluster bombs.

https://blog.gdeltproject.org/how-television-news-has-covered-cluster-bombs-as-war-crimes/

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

this must be n error. Isn't the use of these considered a "war crime" by the biden admin? So they are hardly going to knowingly commit war crimes, right?

 

"we've seen a range of reports, dana, that are horrifying about the use of barbaric tactics whether cluster bombs or other tactics that we've seen that could be classified as a war crime" Jen Psaki

https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20220301_140000_Americas_Newsroom_With_Bill_Hemmer__Dana_Perino/start/3870/end/3930

 

An interesting collection of comments regarding these cluster bombs.

https://blog.gdeltproject.org/how-television-news-has-covered-cluster-bombs-as-war-crimes/

Why is it an error? What makes you think that the use of cluster munitions in a target strike where civilians are would not be a war crime from any side? 

 

I'll ignore your first link media source as its irrelevant and from a source that I personally never touch due to its promotion of conspiracy theories even if they do sometimes provide accurate news.

 

Your second link? Not sure what you are trying point out.

 

The context to this story is that Biden discussed this with other allies and has provided this an an interim measure until production is ramped up due to Ukraine getting very low on munitions. Its to help stop Russia winning the war, the illegal occupation of Ukraine where they are carrying our war crimes weekly with mass civilian deaths and casualties. This is a measure that is to help stop that onslaught and I am sure Ukraine will use them wisely targeting Russian troops and equipment.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

this must be n error. Isn't the use of these considered a "war crime" by the biden admin? So they are hardly going to knowingly commit war crimes, right?

 

"we've seen a range of reports, dana, that are horrifying about the use of barbaric tactics whether cluster bombs or other tactics that we've seen that could be classified as a war crime" Jen Psaki

https://archive.org/details/FOXNEWSW_20220301_140000_Americas_Newsroom_With_Bill_Hemmer__Dana_Perino/start/3870/end/3930

 

An interesting collection of comments regarding these cluster bombs.

https://blog.gdeltproject.org/how-television-news-has-covered-cluster-bombs-as-war-crimes/

How can your post can be anything but echoing the usual FOX NEWS rhetoric demonising Biden that it feeds its viewers on an hourly basis.

[ThailandRyan]

Interesting read and would possibly drive a wedge between the allies involved in providing assistance to the Ukraine. Yet skepticism on my part says if Russia is using them then turn about is fair play. Why allow one to use something and get away without having the same used on them by using them on military targets, unlike Russia using them in civilian areas.

 

Biden Weighs Giving Ukraine Cluster Munitions Despite Allies’ Ban - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

On Thursday, Mr. Biden appeared on the verge of providing the cluster munitions to Ukraine, a step that would sharply separate him from many of his closest allies, who have signed an international treaty banning the use, stockpiling or transfer of such weapons.

 

Russia using controversial 'cluster munitions' in Ukraine, rights groups say : NPR

 

Russian military forces have used cluster munitions — a highly controversial weapon banned by many countries — against at least two civilian targets during its invasion of Ukraine, according to two international humanitarian organizations.

Seven people died and 11 were injured in the bombings attributed to Russia, which has been known to use cluster munitions in warfare, possibly as recently as two years ago in Syria.

"Russian forces should stop using cluster munitions and end unlawful attacks with weapons that indiscriminately kill and maim," Steve Goose, arms director of Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.

[jvs]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Interesting read and would possibly drive a wedge between the allies involved in providing assistance to the Ukraine. Yet skepticism on my part says if Russia is using them then turn about is fair play. Why allow one to use something and get away without having the same used on them by using them on military targets, unlike Russia using them in civilian areas.

 

Biden Weighs Giving Ukraine Cluster Munitions Despite Allies’ Ban - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

 

On Thursday, Mr. Biden appeared on the verge of providing the cluster munitions to Ukraine, a step that would sharply separate him from many of his closest allies, who have signed an international treaty banning the use, stockpiling or transfer of such weapons.

 

Russia using controversial 'cluster munitions' in Ukraine, rights groups say : NPR

 

Russian military forces have used cluster munitions — a highly controversial weapon banned by many countries — against at least two civilian targets during its invasion of Ukraine, according to two international humanitarian organizations.

Seven people died and 11 were injured in the bombings attributed to Russia, which has been known to use cluster munitions in warfare, possibly as recently as two years ago in Syria.

"Russian forces should stop using cluster munitions and end unlawful attacks with weapons that indiscriminately kill and maim," Steve Goose, arms director of Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.

A well targeted cluster bomb can clean op a lot of trenches in a hurry.

I am also not sure it is a very human weapon to use but then again what is?

If it is used just on trenches or to clear a mine field i would say,go for it.

It would save a lot of time and imo the lives of Ukrainian soldiers will be spared.

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Seems like it's almost a done deal.......

 

 

What are the cluster munitions the US is expected to supply Ukraine? | CNN

why keep wasting time... the faster the better to get rid of Orcs scum bags