Plugin or take to the bike as fuel prices soar

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9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Oh it is a long way from comparable to a car full of petrol, with the well established supply system and range of operation. I hear there is a new technology, capacitive storage, that may be a solution (fast to charge). Hydrogen cells, even nuclear fusion to generate a nations electricity. Solutions for our great grandchildren maybe.....

Virtually all the major automobile manufactures are spending 10's of billions of dollars on EVs. What do you know that they don't? And what do they know that you don't? That second question is one you might want to ask yourself.

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[SuwadeeS]

First of all, Here is some prove, that Thai people are very lazy to walk. All this I have Seen or experienced.

1. Even for the smalles distance of 70 Meters to Mini Big C they take a motorcycle rather then walk.( Seen more then once at my Condo).

2. They love speeding in the City, which Burns more fiel.

3. Thai do Not have any Environment thinking.

4. Thai did Not enter the new environmental Spirit yet. Use gasoline as never empty.

Compared to other countries, Like in Europe, the prices are to cheap.

[Andrew Dwyer]

3 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

 

Our OP seems to have had a 60% increase on cost to fill up, maybe he should find an alternative station

The Fiesta has a 43L tank - so it should have cost 1,300Baht to fill in January or 1,678Baht now (from totally dry of course).

A splash of journalistic licence here methinks.

 

 

 

The op did say he fills the tank when a 1/4 full.

[wombat]

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[apetryxx]

Fuel prices were on the way up long before this Ukrainian debacle. Why? I’ll tell you. When the US was energy independent under Trump, OPEC and Russia couldn’t set high prices for crude oil. In comes this idiot Biden in the White House declaring a war on fossil fuels. Voila! OPEC back in control. Poop rolls downhill all the way to the Kingdom.

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5 minutes ago, apetryxx said:

Fuel prices were on the way up long before this Ukrainian debacle. Why? I’ll tell you. When the US was energy independent under Trump, OPEC and Russia couldn’t set high prices for crude oil. In comes this idiot Biden in the White House declaring a war on fossil fuels. Voila! OPEC back in control. Poop rolls downhill all the way to the Kingdom.

Typical irrational thinking of a Trump  supporter. Everything significant that happens in the world revolves around Trump and/or the USA. The USA is still producing record amounts of natural gas and petroleum. 

[BritManToo]

41 minutes ago, SuwadeeS said:

1. Even for the smalles distance of 70 Meters to Mini Big C they take a motorcycle rather then walk.( Seen more then once at my Condo).

Would point out if everyone drove a m/c and cars were banned, there'd be no oil shortages ever.

My daughters Honda 150i gets 50-60Km/ltr.

[Will B Good]

5 hours ago, CharlieH said:

BS! They"re using the Russia situation as a damn excuse to hike prices nothing more.

 

 

 

Exactly......just written the same on another thread........all this fuel being pumped was bought and paid for months ago.

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5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Exactly......just written the same on another thread........all this fuel being pumped was bought and paid for months ago.

Really? In the past petrol/gasoline prices plunged in tandem with the market price. What's your explanation for that?

[Henryford]

You will need a long cord if you are driving around Thailand.

[Thujone]

2 hours ago, bdenner said:

Looking forward to seeing all those idiot rev heads on their noisy, souped up Honda Waves trying to race or do wheelies on electric bikes!

They'll have a playing card attached by a clothespeg to their back wheel so they can still wake up people in the night with their noise.

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[Pabs]

Still cheaper to run a diesel or petrol car as they are cheaper to buy. The day an EV pickup can run nonstop from bangkok to northeast is the day I will consider buying one. I couldnt put up with an 8 hr layover time for charging driving from Bangkok to Mukdahan. EV's are 100% unsustainable and unrealistic. 

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Just now, Pabs said:

 EV's are 100% unsustainable and unrealistic. 

Well, I guess you know better than the major automobile manufacturers who are spending 10's of billions of dollars investing in EVs. 

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2 minutes ago, Pabs said:

Still cheaper to run a diesel or petrol car as they are cheaper to buy. The day an EV pickup can run nonstop from bangkok to northeast is the day I will consider buying one. I couldnt put up with an 8 hr layover time for charging driving from Bangkok to Mukdahan. EV's are 100% unsustainable and unrealistic. 

Where did you come up with the notion that it takes 8 hours to charge up an EV? If you're doing it from your house, sure. But at a charging station? Really?

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Where did you come up with the notion that it takes 8 hours to charge up an EV? If you're doing it from your house, sure. But at a charging station? Really?

The issue being that commercial charging stations generally charge 3-5x the kw-hr rate as filling it up back home.  That's how they pay off the investment and make their money.

 

[sungod]

2 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

Yes, that will eventually happen, but not for a few years. Also problem of who’s going to pay for construction of the charging station, unfair to charge occupants of a block of flats who don’t have an electric car, or maybe not any car at all.

Isn't contributing for cleaner air beneficial to everyone?

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1 minute ago, impulse said:

The issue being that commercial charging stations generally charge 3-5x the kw-hr rate as filling it up back home.  That's how they pay off the investment and make their money.

 

How does that address the the claim that it takes 8 hours to charge an EV at a charging station?

[impulse]

47 minutes ago, apetryxx said:

Fuel prices were on the way up long before this Ukrainian debacle. Why? I’ll tell you. When the US was energy independent under Trump, OPEC and Russia couldn’t set high prices for crude oil. In comes this idiot Biden in the White House declaring a war on fossil fuels. Voila! OPEC back in control. Poop rolls downhill all the way to the Kingdom.

What does US energy independence have to do with the price of fuel in Thailand?

 

[Clydesdale]

35 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Typical irrational thinking of a Trump  supporter. Everything significant that happens in the world revolves around Trump and/or the USA. The USA is still producing record amounts of natural gas and petroleum. 

The price of oil tells you the world needs more production now. Sadly US infrastructure has been closed down and permits to drill on federal land are being withheld. At the same time in Germany: atomkraft - nein danke. The energy security of the West has been sacrificed to the green agenda.

[Pabs]

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Where did you come up with the notion that it takes 8 hours to charge up an EV? If you're doing it from your house, sure. But at a charging station? Really?

Ev's have created new business's  throughout europe. Deisel powered trucks towing diesel generators to charge stranded Ev's that ran out of battery power in the middle of highways. No thanks.

Id rather do a 10 min fuel stop than an 8 hour charging stop. 

Fair enough if you are just driving a couple of k's down to the local 7/11, by all means go buy a 100k electric sardine can. 

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[Pabs]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

Isn't contributing for cleaner air beneficial to everyone?

No because it takes fossil fuels to charge which means more burning of coal and gas. 

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1 minute ago, Clydesdale said:

The price of oil tells you the world needs more production now. Sadly US infrastructure has been closed down and permits to drill on federal land are being withheld. At the same time in Germany: atomkraft - nein danke. The energy security of the West has been sacrificed to the green agenda.

Even if it were the case that the infrastructure has been closed down (whatever that means) production from a well doesn't happen overnight. Offshore development takes years. Production has been rising in 2021 and will continue to do so in 2022..

[WorriedNoodle]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

We are starting to see more and more places for EV drivers to recharge in shopping centre car parks and at gas stations.

We live in one of the Bangkok suburbs and I have not seen a public charging station yet besides in peoples own homes.

[elgenon]

Flight prices to jump. 

[sungod]

17 minutes ago, Pabs said:

No because it takes fossil fuels to charge which means more burning of coal and gas. 

 

And more wind, more solar and more hydro clean power. Power generation of fossil fuels is cleaner than emissions from the back of vehicle.

 

Besides, I assume you walk everywhere then, dont fly and never take a taxi/bus.

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7 minutes ago, Pabs said:

Ev's have created new business's  throughout europe. Deisel powered trucks towing diesel generators to charge standard Ev's that ran out of battery power in the middle of highways. No thanks.

Id rather do a 10 min fuel stop than an 8 hour charging stop. 

Fair enough if you are just driving a couple of k's down to the local 7/11, by all means go buy a 100k electric sardine can. 

Thanks for the dumb joke about EVs needing towing. Got some actual facts about that? 

And what's this nonsense about an 8 hour charging stop?

The vast majority of ev owner come nowhere near draining their batteries on a daily basis. And if they live in a house they can easily charge their cars at home. ANd of course, EV's have a far greater range than your ridiculous claim about them only being adequate for a couple of K's.

Since all you've got is dumb jokes and falsehoods, maybe it's time for you to move on to another topic.

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6 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

We live in one of the Bangkok suburbs and I have not seen a public charging station yet besides in peoples own homes.

The internet is your friend. Have you tried googling for a nearby charging station. It seems extremely unlikely that they don't exist in a suburb of Bangkok.

[matchar]

2 hours ago, mikebell said:

Will this more expensive fuel stop Thai drivers from emptying their tank to get one car ahead of you at the next red light?

Probably not as they are probably too dumb to realise that it wastes fuel.

[impulse]

23 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How does that address the the claim that it takes 8 hours to charge an EV at a charging station?

Not all charging stations are created equal.   If he's recharging at a hotel courtesy charger, it may take 8 hours.  If he's recharging at his buddy's home along the way, it may take 8 hours.  If he's recharging at a full bore commercial charging station, he'll get out in an hour or so.  But it'll take his butt 7 hours to heal up from the ream job, paying 3-5x as much for the privilege.  And that's assuming he can even find one.

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4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Not all charging stations are created equal.   If he's recharging at a hotel courtesy charger, it may take 8 hours.  If he's recharging at his buddy's home along the way, it may take 8 hours.  If he's recharging at a full bore commercial charging station, he'll get out in an hour or so, but it'll take his butt 7 hours to heal up from the ream job, paying 3-5x as much for the privilege.

He was talking about recharging delaying his trip by 8 hours. He made a general statement. And it rules out hotels. And you think it's likely he was referring to some putative friend of his who might have a charging station at his house? Give it up already. He clearly hasn't a clue.

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