In Thailand, the war in Ukraine divides the generations

[Rimmer]

Troll posts from a recently removed but attempted re incarnated member have been removed also some replies

[Saanim]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

So how do you go from "significant" losses to claim those losses surpassed those of civilians. The UN commission that gave the number of civilian dead also said that it was. almost certainly an undercount.

Whatever the exact figures are such high ("significant") losses of the invading army - and the number of Russian generals killed -  show quite a different style of invasion.  And its purpose.  Quite different what the world has watched in the previous wars with missiles, drones and fireworks, not with the street fight.  Then, no casualties to the invading army - nor to their generals - but even more to the population. And no millions of refugees who were happy to be allowed to escape via humanitarian corridors.  In fact, it's the first time we are hearing this term, aren't we?  (another new term is "re-grouping")

 

And in those wars the local bodies were not counted, only by volunteers, however, what happened to most of them?

[Thunglom]

Not really an age thing, more. class thing - if you are rich ruling elite or just an ordinary citizen.

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"While it might not be on official lists of Russian equipment, researchers previously spotted footage of Tochka-U systems being deployed in Belarus over the course of March, disproving Russia’s claims of not using them."

 

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russian-war-report-russia-makes-false-claims-while-blaming-ukraine-for-kramatorsk-railway-station-attack/

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4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Pure Russian propoganda video full of sheers lies and misinformation by this native born Russian Alexander Christoforou. He also happens to own the website Duran, Cyprus-based DRN Media PLC owns the Duran. Moscow native Alex Christoforou is the President and Chairman of DRN Media PLC

 

Here is what is said about Duran:

 

History

Founded in 2016, The Duran is a strongly right-leaning news and opinion website with ties to Russian state media. Based in Cyprus

 

Detailed Report

Reasoning: Russian Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Lack of Transparency, Plagiarism, Failed Fact Checks
Bias Rating: FAR RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: Cyrpus (26/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

 

If this is the sort of evil rubbish you watch and believe then you are part of the problem.

Actually we have several posters here who get their info from these extreme right wing authoritarian/strongman loving sources.

[onthedarkside]

Several posts and ensuing replies have been removed for reasons including linking to non-credible website reports, unsourced and unsubstantiated claims and trolling.

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5 hours ago, Saanim said:

Whatever the exact figures are such high ("significant") losses of the invading army - and the number of Russian generals killed -  show quite a different style of invasion.  And its purpose.  Quite different what the world has watched in the previous wars with missiles, drones and fireworks, not with the street fight.  Then, no casualties to the invading army - nor to their generals - but even more to the population. And no millions of refugees who were happy to be allowed to escape via humanitarian corridors.  In fact, it's the first time we are hearing this term, aren't we?  (another new term is "re-grouping")

 

And in those wars the local bodies were not counted, only by volunteers, however, what happened to most of them?

This is, of course, more nonsense. Russia's Chechen war turns out to have been actually quite similar to its conduct in the Ukraine.  Massive bombing and massive use of Russian troops and Chechen soldiers as well.

In Iraq US ground troops were engaged mostly in urban warfare. And later alongside lots of Iraqi troops to stage a counteroffensive against Isis. And lots of bombing. The difference here of course is that Isis was loathed by the Shia majority whereas the Ukrainian troops have the overwhelming support of the locals. Another difference is in the quality of the military. Clearly, Russian troops are poorly led. The assault on Kyiv was a disaster. 

And the reason so many generals and other high officers have died is twofold.

For one, a defective communication system with left Russian forces with no choice but to use mobile phones to coordinate their movements. Unfortunately for them, that means that their generals were easily locatable.

For another, the quality of the officer class in Russia is poor. Generals can't trust their subordinates to get it right so they have to expose themselves to danger. It may be morally satisfying in a way to see a general at the front, but if he's any good at strategy, that's a foolish risk to take. Unless there's no choice. 

As for your point about civilian deaths...before you were claiming that they were less than those of Russian forces...but now you're claiming it's unknowable?

[Rimmer]

A conspiracy troll post and a reply have been removed

[puck2]

Maybe the Thai generations are not divided watching this short video:

Edited April 10, 2022 by puck2

[Saanim]

Obviously one who believes in conspiracy theory:

 

Hungarian Prime Minister Orban asks Zelensky for proof of Bucha killings

In an interview with the German newspaper Bild Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that one of the leading European politicians wanted to see evidence of the veracity of the crimes in Bucha.

https://www.uawire.org/hungarian-prime-minister-orban-asks-zelensky-for-proof-of-bucha-killings

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Obviously one who believes in conspiracy theory:

 

Hungarian Prime Minister Orban asks Zelensky for proof of Bucha killings

In an interview with the German newspaper Bild Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that one of the leading European politicians wanted to see evidence of the veracity of the crimes in Bucha.

https://www.uawire.org/hungarian-prime-minister-orban-asks-zelensky-for-proof-of-bucha-killings

 

 

 

Yes I believe he does believe in conspiracy theories:

 

Mr Orban stands accused of eroding Hungary’s democracy and has previously expressed islamophobic and antisemitic views - including conspiracy theories about Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros.

 

And his stances on the major issues of the day, including the Russia-Ukraine war, have also come under fire. Mr Orban was one of the last foreign leaders Putin met before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine began, Mr Orban traded jokes with Putin and celebrated the pair’s longevity in office.

 

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/world/hungary-russia-eu-nato-vladimir-putins-invasion-ukraine-3640564

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Obviously one who believes in conspiracy theory:

 

Hungarian Prime Minister Orban asks Zelensky for proof of Bucha killings

In an interview with the German newspaper Bild Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that one of the leading European politicians wanted to see evidence of the veracity of the crimes in Bucha.

https://www.uawire.org/hungarian-prime-minister-orban-asks-zelensky-for-proof-of-bucha-killings

If an honest, non-partisan fellow like Orban needs proof, who are we to doubt him?

 

Orban's Hungary risks EU funding cut over corruption fears

The EU executive on Tuesday launched a never-used procedure against Hungary that could see the Hungarian government stripped of EU funding for falling short on anticorruption and flouting democratic standards.

ADVERTISING

The move comes two days after Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban won re-election with an overwhelming majority, claiming his victory as a win over liberal values defended by Brussels.

The nationalist and ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin is frequently accused in Brussels of backsliding on democratic norms

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220405-orban-s-hungary-risks-eu-funding-cut-over-corruption-fears

 

Hungary: where editors tell reporters to disregard facts before their eyes

Welcome to the media in Hungary, where NGOs are blacklisted, critical stories are binned and senior editors instruct journalists to disregard the facts before their eyes. “We have reached a situation where our position is now much much worse than it was back in the 1980s when Hungary was a communist country,” said one person with decades of experience of Hungarian state media, recalling the days when the central European country was described as “the happiest barracks” in the eastern bloc, for its relative freedom.

“The situation back then in terms of censorship and state interference in public service journalism is nowhere near, nowhere near, the situation right now,” the person told the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/hungary-independent-media-editors-reporters-orban

[Saanim]

^Actually, whether Hungary is a corrupted country it's off-topic, same as its democracy and other views. Mr. Orban was elected by landslide, repeatedly, quite exceptional among other countries.

 

The problem is that he dares to ask for an independent investigation, what's also quite exceptional among other leaders. 

 

  

 

[Slip]

^I see one of our Putin trolls is still spilling out sludge to confuse the issues.  I don't  know whether to thank you guys for relentlessly smashing down his bs, or criticise you for feeding it.  I guess happily, either way, the nonsense is clear and the weaker shills have given up.

 

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7 hours ago, Saanim said:

^Actually, whether Hungary is a corrupted country it's off-topic, same as its democracy and other views. Mr. Orban was elected by landslide, repeatedly, quite exceptional among other countries.

 

The problem is that he dares to ask for an independent investigation, what's also quite exceptional among other leaders.  

 

No, not off topic since it says a lot about the character of Orban. Moreover, the suppression of independent media is of obvious concern when it comes to elections.

As for an independent investigation...This is just another disinformation tactic. Does any allegation, no matter how absurd, merit independent investigations? This reminds me of climate change or covid vaccine denialists who call for debate based on claims for evidence that is obviously faulty or non existent.

[Thunglom]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, not off topic since it says a lot about the character of Orban. Moreover, the suppression of independent media is of obvious concern when it comes to elections.

As for an independent investigation...This is just another disinformation tactic. Does any allegation, no matter how absurd, merit independent investigations? This reminds me of climate change or covid vaccine denialists who call for debate based on claims for evidence that is obviously faulty or non existent.

Never trust  landslide - sure sign something is wrong.

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, Saanim said:

Yes, why to ask for an independent investigation? On the missile body was written in Russian by Cyrillic: ZA DETEY (for children). 

So, isn't it clear enough?

 

Yes, it is clear. They wanted to kill children and they succeeded. The Russian tactic is now brutality and war crimes to try to force a compromise. The Russian military are subjected to the same propaganda as everybody else, including yourself it seems.

Edited April 11, 2022 by ozimoron

[joecoolfrog]

On 4/6/2022 at 2:24 PM, jcojco said:

you must be very old, and very misinformed. Like most of the TV sheeps ...

Old enough and wise enough to recognise a pathetic , immoral shill , for sure !

[placeholder]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:18 PM, ozimoron said:

Yes, it is clear. They wanted to kill children and they succeeded. The Russian tactic is now brutality and war crimes to try to force a compromise. The Russian military are subjected to the same propaganda as everybody else, including yourself it seems.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You fail.

 

[TropicalGuy]

On 4/6/2022 at 12:16 PM, AgentSmith said:

"Among the young there is a strong desire to stand by Ukrainians, while older conservatives describe Russia as a longstanding friend."

 

Sure. I totally get how a suppressed people can see a friend in a dictator. I'm sure they're also proud of having Myanmar as their neighbor. National delusion and possibly even a case or Stockholm syndrome. And a total lack of education of course. Dangerous combination.

and the kicker ….Low IQ ( average 90   In Thailand) . Divide is Right / Informed vs. Wrong/ Misinformed. Nothing to with age or country. 
Average Thai cares practically Nothing about what happens outside their Village. 

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You fail.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/04/12/more-than-500-ukrainian-children-killed-or-injured-since-russia-invaded-ukraines-prosecutors-office-says/?sh=206f6e913f23

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russias-war-kills-136-children-so-far-2022-03-26/

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/children-killed-ukraine-war-b2031914.html

Edited April 13, 2022 by ozimoron

[TropicalGuy]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You fail.

 

Russias original first goal was simply to Wreck Ukraine making it impossible ( if it wasn’t before) for Ukraine to join EU or NATO.
That included getting (ten) millions of civilians on the move away from their homes (economic & societal disruption). That required sufficient fear from a few civilian deaths ( 4,000 ?) by shelling residential areas & civilian infrastructure ( rail stations, etc). 

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10 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Russias original first goal was simply to Wreck Ukraine making it impossible ( if it wasn’t before) for Ukraine to join EU or NATO.
That included getting (ten) millions of civilians on the move away from their homes (economic & societal disruption). That required sufficient fear from a few civilian deaths ( 4,000 ?) by shelling residential areas & civilian infrastructure ( rail stations, etc). 

So that Russia would inherit an economic wreck? Please share with us the knowledgeable authorities who back your claim. Just more nonsense from you.

[ozimoron]

Payback time: The West studies how to make Russia foot the war bill

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/payback-time-west-make-russia-pay-war-ukraine-bill/

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts have been removed.

[jacko45k]

On 4/11/2022 at 12:54 PM, Saanim said:

Yes, why to ask for an independent investigation? On the missile body was written in Russian by Cyrillic: ZA DETEY (for children). 

So, isn't it clear enough?

 

So they were aiming the missile specifically at children?

[Rimmer]

A troll post claiming some links have been removed has itself been removed.

 

Two troll posts have now also been removed