Feminists rally at Democrat party HQ over Thailand’s high profile #MeToo case

[snoop1130]

 

Representatives of several Thai feminist groups held a demonstration in front of the Democrat party headquarters this morning (Monday), to protest against a series of alleged sexual assaults in Thailand’s most high profile #MeToo case to date, after its former deputy party leader, Prinn Panitchpakdi was charged with three counts of sexual harassment and assault.

 

Protesters danced to their feminist anthem “Sida Lui Faai” (Sida through fire), conveying how the Thai establishment places the blame on the victims of sexual abuse.

 

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The protesters read out a statement, condemning the Democrat party spokesperson for stating that rape and sexual abuse is a personal matter which, they claim, piles more trauma and pain onto the victims.

 

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[BritManToo]

No complaints when a poor guy beats his poor wife to death with a table leg.

Big trouble when a rich guy gropes a rich woman.

 

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

Representatives of several Thai feminist groups held a demonstration in front of the Democrat party headquarters this morning (Monday), to protest against a series of alleged sexual assaults in Thailand’s most high profile #MeToo case to date,

Kudos. Keep the pressure up. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

Protesters danced to their feminist anthem “Sida Lui Faai” (Sida through fire), conveying how the Thai establishment places the blame on the victims of sexual abuse.

Not just the Thai establishment…

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Not just the Thai establishment…

By way of societal convention.

The myths are seemingly perpetuated. 

 

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No complaints when a poor guy beats his poor wife to death with a table leg.

Big trouble when a rich guy gropes a rich woman.

 

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

Everyone has their own priorities and beliefs... I'm sure you have yours.

[kingstonkid]

They do not seem to realize that this attitude is bred into men as children.  

 

The trick is not to protest the high profile but to start to g et into the schools and teach personal responsibility.

 

HISO men are taught that they can buy their way out of everything and that they are immune to the law.

 

HISO women are taught to flaunt it and a get the rich boys interested so that they can marry more money and live with Benz and Prada.

 

Boys and girls grow up with Thai soaps were anything goes and it is ok.

 

Schools are afraid to punish any boy that hurts a girl unless of course she is rich becuse it will possibly hurt the school image.

 

Bottom line.

 

Thai society is messed up with the wrong priorities.  

[mtls2005]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

 

Clearly you should march over there and set them straight.

 

 

Nice to see the AseanNow elderly male crowd lecturing "Thai women" on Feminist priorities.

 

You go dude.

 

 

 

 

[tomazbodner]

OK.... weird feminist movement with "pound me too" #metoo tag....

[ozimoron]

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No complaints when a poor guy beats his poor wife to death with a table leg.

Big trouble when a rich guy gropes a rich woman.

 

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

maybe, just maybe, they didn't need to protest because the police were already on it, do you think?

[BangkokReady]

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No complaints when a poor guy beats his poor wife to death with a table leg.

Big trouble when a rich guy gropes a rich woman.

 

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

Unfortunately, the approach that Thais who are engaging with this type of thing take is to only focus on their own problems.

 

It is/was the same with the "human rights" angle that some are/were taking with the anti-government protests.  Talking about human rights, but only insofar as to get the outcome they want.  Obviously human rights are "universal and unalienable", so Thai people being completely apathetic to the human rights abuses that many Thais are victims of really reduces the strength that appeals to human rights add.

 

As long as people only ever talk about things that affect themselves and don't care about anyone else, nothing is going to change.  I think "Thainess" dictates that people stay out of other people's business and only act when they are affected.

 

All members of a group coming together and talking about all issues that that group faces and demanding change is how it is done. 

[BangkokReady]

26 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

maybe, just maybe, they didn't need to protest because the police were already on it, do you think?

You think that is going to change the way women are treated in Thai society?

[CharlieH]

Reported post and response removed.

[ozimoron]

48 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

You think that is going to change the way women are treated in Thai society?

That's irrelevant. Violence against women is rife in every country. Your comment was off base and just a gratuitous bash at feminists.

[BangkokReady]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's irrelevant.

It's perfectly relevant.  If one person suggests that feminists should be talking about all the issues that women in a society face, rather than just the ones that affect them, and someone else says essentially "they don't need to talk about that as it is being dealt with", it implies that the way it is being dealt with is sufficient to address the problem.  I do not believe that that is the case here.

 

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Violence against women is rife in every country.

Now that's irrelevant.

[RichardColeman]

18 hours ago, BritManToo said:

No complaints when a poor guy beats his poor wife to death with a table leg.

Big trouble when a rich guy gropes a rich woman.

 

Nice to see Thai feminists have their priorities in order!

Probably more to do with media cover and getting on the tv

[ozimoron]

56 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

It's perfectly relevant.  If one person suggests that feminists should be talking about all the issues that women in a society face, rather than just the ones that affect them, and someone else says essentially "they don't need to talk about that as it is being dealt with", it implies that the way it is being dealt with is sufficient to address the problem.  I do not believe that that is the case here.

 

Now that's irrelevant.

Do you dismiss the possibility that one of those scenarios is representative of a structural  or attitudinal problem in society which they want to change and the other is an ordinary run of the mill crime which is adequately dealt with? The fact that you are complaining about an issue which you make out is peculiar to Thai society when it is universal is hardly irrelevant.

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been reported and has now been removed

[BangkokReady]

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Do you dismiss the possibility that one of those scenarios is representative of a structural  or attitudinal problem in society which they want to change and the other is an ordinary run of the mill crime which is adequately dealt with?

Yes.  I believe that the attitude towards women in Thai society is the cause for both the prevalence of sexual harassment and physical violence against them.

 

I'm not sure how you can separate men thinking it's OK to sexually abuse women from men thinking it's OK to physically abuse women.  Both are symptoms of the way that Thai society views women and how men can treat them.

 

28 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The fact that you are complaining about an issue which you make out is peculiar to Thai society when it is universal is hardly irrelevant.

But there is sexual abuse against women all over the world as well.  If one is ruled out because it happens everywhere, then so is the other.

 

Also note that in both cases the male alleged perpetrator has been charged.  So why only protest for one of the cases?

 

At no point did I say that anything is unique to Thailand, but the level of violence against women, the acceptance of it, the public reaction to it, et., is going to differ from country to country.

 

Thailand clearly has a problem of both sexual and physical violence against women and if "feminists" want to address either, they should be addressing everything about being a woman in Thailand.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Yes.  I believe that the attitude towards women in Thai society is the cause for both the prevalence of sexual harassment and physical violence against them.

 

I'm not sure how you can separate men thinking it's OK to sexually abuse women from men thinking it's OK to physically abuse women.  Both are symptoms of the way that Thai society views women and how men can treat them.

Did I do that?

 

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

But there is sexual abuse against women all over the world as well.  If one is ruled out because it happens everywhere, then so is the other.

Yes, which is why the "feminists" were protesting, as is their right.

 

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

At no point did I say that anything is unique to Thailand, but the level of violence against women, the acceptance of it, the public reaction to it, et., is going to differ from country to country.

 

Thailand clearly has a problem of both sexual and physical violence against women and if "feminists" want to address either, they should be addressing everything about being a woman in Thailand.

If you accept that it occurs in every country it makes your complaint about the protests moot and pointless. To suggest they should be protesting about every injustice done to every individual woman in circumstances which are being adequately handled by police is at least sublime. Self evidently, they are motivated to protest against issues and events which they feel reflect the need for societal change, which is as it should be.

 

It's rather instructive that the usual suspects jump on far right and misogynistic hot button issues in a knee jerk fashion.

[BritManToo]

21 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If you accept that it occurs in every country it makes your complaint about the protests moot and pointless.

Would point out it doesn't happen in every country.

I can name many countries where women are not allowed to put themselves in a position when a man can grope them.

 

Personal freedom comes with personal risk.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Would point out it doesn't happen in every country.

I can name many where countries women are not allowed to put themselves in a position when any man can grope them.

 

Personal freedom comes with personal risk.

No you can't. If you're obliquely referring to middle east countries you would be very wrong. Abuse of women in those countries is rife, like every other country.

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Probably more to do with media cover and getting on the tv

As you'll find this to be true among most of the political and social movements afoot everywhere - has little to with any such working or practical application to their cause, but more to do with the surface attention. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Yes.  I believe that the attitude towards women in Thai society is the cause for both the prevalence of sexual harassment and physical violence against them.

 

I'm not sure how you can separate men thinking it's OK to sexually abuse women from men thinking it's OK to physically abuse women.  Both are symptoms of the way that Thai society views women and how men can treat them.

 

But there is sexual abuse against women all over the world as well.  If one is ruled out because it happens everywhere, then so is the other.

 

Also note that in both cases the male alleged perpetrator has been charged.  So why only protest for one of the cases?

 

At no point did I say that anything is unique to Thailand, but the level of violence against women, the acceptance of it, the public reaction to it, et., is going to differ from country to country.

 

Thailand clearly has a problem of both sexual and physical violence against women and if "feminists" want to address either, they should be addressing everything about being a woman in Thailand.

You make good points.

On so many topics on these forums though, if someone has an opinion, or suggests action on a particular thing, or calls out bad behaviour, the boring refrain is 'Well what about these other situations or things' as though you are automatically a hypocrite for not dealing with or addressing all the other similar or not so similar scenarios.

If people want to focus on a particular problem or issue then let's discuss if they have a good point and not tear them down for not addressing a myriad of other similar but different situations. Not saying you are doing this by the way.