Electric Vehicles in Thailand

Alotoftravel · November 16

8 hours ago, Pib said:

DC charging rate of an EV can be way overhyped. Let's take the 150KW DC charging rate of the Sealion with a 91KWH battery.

First, to charge at a 150KW rate at person will need to use a 150KW or greater DC charger which are very limited in Thailand. The great, great majority of DC Fast Chargers in Thailand are 120KW (or less) chargers with two charging outlets that share this 120KW which means when two EV are charging then 60KW would be the max achievable per vehicle. And even if there is only one vehicle at the charger each outlet on that 120KW charger "might still be limited" to 60KW max instead of it being able to pump-out120KW to the outlet---depends on the charger's design. Using the PTT Station Pluz charging app and setting it to only show their DC chargers with at least 147KW and higher capability there were only 6 locations in all of Thailand on the PTT charging network.

Second, even if a person is connected to some HUGE charger...say a 360KW charger...the Sealion's charging curve will only allow 150KW for "part of its charging process"...the approx 15% to 45% part....between 46% to 85% only approx 80KW max...and then above 85% around 45KW max.

https://evkx.net/models/byd/sealion_7/sealion_7_excellence/chargingcurve/

An EV having a high charging rate capability is a good thing but a person can only take advantage of that higher charging rate if DC chargers exist to provide the required high power....and of course what portion of the EV's charging curve can accept the highest rate because it will "not" be for its entire charging curve from 0 to 100% with current battery technology.

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia.

digbeth · November 16

1 hour ago, Alotoftravel said:

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia.

not yet and nothing said about allowing third party cars to access the supercharging network

which isn't too bad tesla superchargers in Thailand are inconveniently placed in malls instead of on the road side - and since it chages too fast - no body in malls use them as you have to hang around the charger to move your cars in 20-30 minutes otherwise you get the idle penalty for hogging the space - so if you want to grab a bit or actually do shoping in malls it's always better to use the AC charger and take your time

Bandersnatch · November 17

I just posted over in the alternative Energy Forum a video about using the small MG battery modules in a DIY home battery setup

Pib · November 17

11 hours ago, Alotoftravel said:

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia.

10 hours ago, digbeth said:

not yet and nothing said about allowing third party cars to access the supercharging network

which isn't too bad tesla superchargers in Thailand are inconveniently placed in malls instead of on the road side - and since it chages too fast - no body in malls use them as you have to hang around the charger to move your cars in 20-30 minutes otherwise you get the idle penalty for hogging the space - so if you want to grab a bit or actually do shoping in malls it's always better to use the AC charger and take your time

Yeap...as @digbethsaid not in Thailand yet. Below are a couple of snapshots from the Tesla app showing Tesla Supercharger locations in Thailand for "Tesla EVs" and then "non-Tesla EVs."

1st snapshot is with the app set to show all Tesla chargers available for Tesla EVs. And then the 2nd snapshot shows the app set to display those Tesla locations in Thailand which also support non-Tesla EVs.

1st Snapshot...Tesla Superchargers for "Tesla EVs" in Thailand

2nd Snapshot...Tesla Supercharger locations in Thailand for "non-Tesla" EVs.

Results: None

Andrew Dwyer · November 17

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

matchar · November 17

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

KhunLA · November 17

2 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

Nah, just Tesla supplying customer support, since paying a bit of a premium for their offerings.

👍👍

Would be nice if offered to non Tesla autos, at least till demand was there for Tesla customers. Would be smart business for ROI.

mistral53 · November 17

They pretty much threw everything and the kitchen sink at it, or as one commenter succinctly asked:

'Autocar surely wouldn't deliberately give a negative review because it's Chinese.
I'd rather hear from owners of the car.'

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

Case in point: ......'and there’s a useful 58-litre frunk that’s slightly fiddly to access.' Are they really that daft in the UK? :crazy:

Edited November 17 by mistral53

Andrew Dwyer · November 17

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

Case in point: ......'and there’s a useful 58-litre frunk that’s slightly fiddly to access.' Are they really that daft in the UK?

Yes !, is the short answer ( the frunk doesn’t even have a lid on it !! )

But at £55k ( 2.4 million baht ) then they are already disgruntled at having to pay another 40% ( my guess ) on top of Thai prices !!

motdaeng · November 17

2 hours ago, mistral53 said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

the car tester seems to be a real byd "lover"... :wacko:

UWEB · November 17

5 hours ago, matchar said:

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

Hourly charges are most likely for AC Chargers, not DC.

Edited November 17 by UWEB

richard_smith237 · November 17

5 hours ago, matchar said:

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'...

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience.

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall.

Yellowtail · November 17

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'...

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience.

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall.

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

KhunLA · November 17

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'...

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience.

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall.

Could always use the slow charging cable (22kWh), by the hour, and gives you an hour to munch or stroll around.

richard_smith237 · November 17

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'...

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience.

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall.

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Could always use the slow charging cable (22kWh), by the hour, and gives you an hour to munch or stroll around.

True... Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

richard_smith237 · November 17

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

Do you get hit for 'parking fees' when occupying a charing bay when the car is fully charged ?

It's not much (about 100 baht per hour) - from my perspective, its more an issue of not taking up a space that may be needed by someone who wants to charge their car if I'm not using it.

Yellowtail · November 17

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

Do you get hit for 'parking fees' when occupying a charing bay when the car is fully charged ?

It's not much (about 100 baht per hour) - from my perspective, its more an issue of not taking up a space that may be needed by someone who wants to charge their car if I'm not using it.

No, I've never had to pay

richard_smith237 · November 17

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, I've never had to pay

You've hit social media !!!

digbeth · November 17

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

Thai Tesla groups are quite vocal against this partnership - in pattaya the super charger is on the top floor of the beach road mall - useless for anyone travelling long distance that needed the quick charge to drive on - you'd spend half an hour to get through traffic from the hightway, another 20 minutes to meander your way up the carpark

there's only a few tesla supercharger with convenient roadside access - Central mall had hoped to attract tesla drivers to their mall by trying to be exclusive with the deal but 20-30minutes fast charge aren't really compatible with mall using behavior

Pib · November 17

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

True... Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

Based on what I've seen in many malls, like Central Malls, AC Type 2 (a.k.a., slow charger) are predominately what you will see in many malls. Yes, quite a few malls also have CCS/DC Fast Chargers also, but I think the AC slow chargers greatly outnumber the number of DC chargers in malls. Maybe because the malls have limited space and available power for the bulky/big/high power DC chargers and the malls figure many mall customers many times may want a slower charging process as they spend a couple of hours in the mall dining, seeing a movie, just taking their time shopping....don't want to have to run out after 30 minutes to move the car to a new parking space.

Below is a partial quote from a website listing chargers in some Central malls around Thailand....I cleaned it up a little by deleting some parts/malls that didn't define what type of charger (i.e., AC slow or DC fast) was in the mall. Anywhere you'll see "Type 2" below means an AC slow charger; CCS a fast charger.

https://www.motorist.co.th/en/article/2728/list-of-ev-charging-stations-in-shopping-malls-2024

CentralWorld
- Tesla Supercharger at B1 floor, located at parking spots G36 - G37 and F36 - F38
- On | ion EV Charging Station at B1 floor, located at parking spots P30 - Q33
- Evolt electric vehicle charging station with Type 2 connectors at B1 floor, located at parking spots Q26 - Q28 and P27 - P28

Central Village Suvarnabhumi
- Outdoor parking area adjacent to Phra Phrom Shrine, electric vehicle charging station with Type 2 connectors (12 spots), CCS/SAE (8 spots), and Tesla Supercharger
Central Grand Rama 9
- Parking area at G floor, slot E
- Parking area at 3rd floor - ½, Type 2 (11 spots)
- Parking area at 3B floor, Type 2 (10 spots)
Central Eastville
- Parking area at G floor, zone F16, Type 2 (13 spots)
- Parking area at B1 floor, Type 2 (4 plots)
Central Westgate
- Parking area at G floor, zone G17
- Parking area at 2nd floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Ladprao
- Parking area at 1st floor, zone C14
- Parking area at 2nd floor, zone E20 - E24, Type 2 (11 spots)
- Parking area at 3rd floor, Tesla Supercharger V3 (11 spots)
Central Pinklao
- Parking area at G floor, zone D03 - D06, Type 2 (12 spots)
- Parking area at 2nd floor, zone E4
Central Rama 2
- Parking area at G floor, Type CCS/SAE (8 spots)
- Parking area at 1st floor, Sun Zone, zone A07, Type 2 (8 spots)
Central Rama 3
- Parking area at G floor, near the mall entrance
- Parking area at G floor, Type CCS/SAE (4 spots)
- Parking area at 3rd floor, Type 2 (8 spots)
Central Chaengwattana
- Parking area at 3rd floor, Building B, zone A04, Type 2 (9 spots)
Central Rattanathibet
- Parking area at 3rd floor, zone P6
Central Sala Ya
- Parking area at LG floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Chonburi
- Parking area at G floor, VIP Car zone
- Parking area at 2nd floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Pattaya Beach
- Parking area at 2nd floor, zone D07, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Marina
- Type 2 (6 spots)
Central Sriracha
- Parking area at LG floor, zone N07 - N09, Type 2 (7 spots)
- Parking area at G floor, Type 2 (10 spots)
Central Rayong
- Parking area at G floor, zone M12 - M14, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Chiang Rai
- Type 2 (7 spots)
Central Phuket Festival
- Type 2 (10 spots)
Central Hat Yai
- Parking area at G floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Nakhon Si Thammarat
- Type 2 (8 spots)
Central Khon Kaen
- Parking area at 1st floor, zone C01, Type 2 (12 spots)
Central Udon Thani
- Parking area at 1st floor, zone 3A
- Parking area at 2nd floor, zone OE-OF, Type 2 (10 spots)
Central Ayutthaya
- Parking area at LG floor, Type 2 (7 spots)
- Parking area at B1 floor, Type CCS/SAE (8 spots)
Central Phitsanulok
- Type 2 (8 spots)

richard_smith237 · November 17

3 minutes ago, Pib said:

Based on what I've seen in many malls, like Central Malls, AC Type 2 (a.k.a., slow charger) are predominately what you will see in many malls. Yes, quite a few malls also have CCS/DC Fast Chargers also, but I think the AC slow chargers greatly outnumber the number of DC chargers in malls. Maybe because the malls have limited space and available power for the bulky/big/high power DC chargers and the malls figure many mall customers many times may want a slower charging process as they spend a couple of hours in the mall dining, seeing a movie, just taking their time shopping....don't want to have to run out after 30 minutes to move the car to a new parking space.

Below is a partial quote from a website listing chargers in some Central malls around Thailand....I cleaned it up a little by deleting some parts/malls that didn't define what type of charger (i.e., AC slow or DC fast) was in the mall. Anywhere you'll see "Type 2" below means an AC slow charger; CCS a fast charger.

https://www.motorist.co.th/en/article/2728/list-of-ev-charging-stations-in-shopping-malls-2024

[clipped]

Good info... That makes a lot more sense....

I'm basing my information of limited info of personal visits...

For example: Blue Port in Hua Hin - I just checked and saw that it has 2x CCS2 and 1x Type 2 chargers...

I'm assuming the Type 2 charger was occupied when I was there, which I why I didn't see it and only noted the CCS2 chargers...

Also, I saw Tesla chargers (which I assumed were slower AC type chargers) on the 2nd floor of the car park, and outside there were 3x Tesla Super Chargers (clearly Tesla going all-in on charger support at this mall).

KhunLA · November 17

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

True... Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

Most do, and apps will have that info.

Don't think I'd make a special trip to a mall, to charge. Only if there already, and it certainly wouldn't be a Central Mall, unless extreme off hours.

Edited November 17 by KhunLA

KhunLA · November 17

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've hit social media !!!

Excellent way to get you car 'keyed' 👍

matchar · Friday at 07:12 AM

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

Andrew Dwyer · Friday at 08:01 AM

49 minutes ago, matchar said:

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

Compared to the Seal the range is well down with same PS, Nm and battery size, also 0-100 slower,wonder what the contributing factor for this, drag coefficient maybe or total weight ?

Edited Friday at 08:02 AM by Andrew Dwyer

Pib · Friday at 08:37 AM

32 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Compared to the Seal the range is well down with same PS, Nm and battery size, also 0-100 slower,wonder what the contributing factor for this, drag coefficient maybe or total weight ?

The Sealion 7 is a bigger and heavier car than the Seal.

Sealion 7

Seal

Hardcastle P · 2024-11-23T09:23:34Z

On 4/22/2022 at 11:14 AM, steve187 said:

i have been looking at a new suv, was thinking of hybrid, or ev, as the price of some brands have been reduced,

but ev's mg zs ev, havel, etc. are ok for short running about trips, but have a restricted distance, and no national network of charging ports, at home in some cases an extra electric metre is required, and for some households impossible to get a charging point fitted. condo's etc

hybrid nissan kicks, honda hrv etc. no problem with charging but, how good is the technology and is the increase mpg worth the possible future problems,

in my mind the industry needs to improve as it will in the future, but for now buying maybe my last new car i think its worth sticking with the old reliable (not always), but been arounfd for a long time. so it ice for me

Toyota have been selling their Prius successfully in Thailand for 13 years the technology is hear.

Bandersnatch · 2024-11-23T13:11:15Z

3 hours ago, Hardcastle P said:

Toyota have been selling their Prius successfully in Thailand for 13 years the technology is hear.

Just went to check if the technology really is here and apparently it's not.

Toyota is not selling the Prius in Thailand, they used to but not anymore.

Interested to see that the fully electric bZ4x is out of stock, they obviously can't keep up with demand, what a popular car!

mistral53 · 2024-11-24T02:39:03Z

On 11/22/2024 at 2:12 PM, matchar said:

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

It's not only the car 'apparently' (still no official confirmation) comes on the 3.0 and not the EVO platform, it is also de-contented in other ways, the number of proximity sensors in the front is another obvious one. In Europe they also get a version with an even bigger battery.

BTW - it is an 800V architecture, i.e. the battery is well over 600V, which falls into the 800V group. Problem is, the majority of DC chargers in Thailand cant pump even 150 kW, so does it matter......?

BYD always had a strange marketing approach, but hey......... who is complaining, they sell like hotcakes!

matchar · 2024-11-24T09:19:27Z

6 hours ago, mistral53 said:

It's not only the car 'apparently' (still no official confirmation) comes on the 3.0 and not the EVO platform, it is also de-contented in other ways, the number of proximity sensors in the front is another obvious one. In Europe they also get a version with an even bigger battery.

BTW - it is an 800V architecture, i.e. the battery is well over 600V, which falls into the 800V group. Problem is, the majority of DC chargers in Thailand cant pump even 150 kW, so does it matter......?

BYD always had a strange marketing approach, but hey......... who is complaining, they sell like hotcakes!

Well the 800V platforms are more efficient and should be able to at least sustain 100kW for much longer...the advertised "150kW" BYD Seal can't even maintain 100kW past 50% SoC.

Regardless, if I'm buying a new car in 2025 that I plan to keep for at least 10 years then I want it to have the latest technology.

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