Biden says U.S. sending medium-range rocket systems to Ukraine

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do admire your stance about standing up to bullys and fighting back against them . Standing up and fighting against evil dictators and fighting for what is good and righteous .

   That is the spirit that won previous wars against evil  .

We need to stand up and fight against them .

The World needs brave Men like you . 

When do you intend flying back to Europe  and joining the army to fight the Russians ? 

   Will you be joining the Ukrainian Army ?

Ah, a person who prefers to live on his knees. Thanks for letting us know.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

Did you speak to Putin about this or is this just your opinion dressed up as fact?

What makes you think that Russia wants to take over Western Europe ?

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Ah, a person who prefers to live on his knees. Thanks for letting us know.

And you are bravely standing up and confronting the Russian bear.........................in Chiang Rai ???? ?

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And you are bravely standing up and confronting the Russian bear.........................in Chiang Rai ???? ?

I'm of an age where the only thing I am fighting is idiotic posts on ASEAN.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I suggest you check back on what Putin has said repeatedly, he wants to restore the USSR to its former glory. IIRC, the USSR extended all the way to a partitioned Germany.

Yes, that is the Eastern Block,  the suggestion was that Putin wants to take over Europe , Western Europe ,

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I'm of an age where the only thing I am fighting is idiotic posts on ASEAN.

Ah right, so you wont be going to war , you just want others to go to war ?

Which wars did you fight in when you were younger ?

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

They are sending Ukraine weapons which will kill Russians, and now missiles that can strike deep into Russia. This is very irresponsible.

 

How long before Russia takes indirect action back against the United States? They can cause economic chaos by encouraging partners to move away from the dollar, or dump US treasuries as a bad bet.

 

If they persuade China to throw up road blocks in the way of essential exports the west is in trouble. The recent Chinese Covid lockdowns are already a concern (and suspicious).

I suggest you compare the GDP of Russia against that of the US and Europe before predicting economic chaos, Russia is a minnow in comparison. What partners? Only China has enough clout to provide an alternative world reserve currency, and it has enough on its plate with multiple property sector failures.

 

Western economies are already working on reducing their dependence on Chinese exports.

You have it the wrong way round, China needs imports from the West to feed its population, and support its industries. AFAIK China does not build any commercial aircraft, for example.

 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

They are sending Ukraine weapons which will kill Russians, and now missiles that can strike deep into Russia. This is very irresponsible.

 

How long before Russia takes indirect action back against the United States? They can cause economic chaos by encouraging partners to move away from the dollar, or dump US treasuries as a bad bet.

 

If they persuade China to throw up road blocks in the way of essential exports the west is in trouble. The recent Chinese Covid lockdowns are already a concern (and suspicious).

Putin is a bully.

Bullies need to be resisted.

Otherwise they never stop.

[Lacessit]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ah right, so you wont be going to war , you just want others to go to war ?

Which wars did you fight in when you were younger ?

I was too old to be conscripted for Vietnam, if I had been I would have gone.

What wars have you fought in? Seems to me you are just trolling.

[Lacessit]

20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, that is the Eastern Block,  the suggestion was that Putin wants to take over Europe , Western Europe ,

There was no such suggestion, what you are doing is simply gaslighting.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There was no such suggestion, what you are doing is simply gaslighting.

You compared  Putin to Hitler , and Hitler had the intention of expanding his Empire right across Europe and as you made the comparison between the two people , it seems like you were suggestion that Putin has the same intentions as Hitler . If not, why compare the two people ?

[Smoothsailing1]

Outside of the west, countries don't blame Russia for the war

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/30/negative-views-of-russia-mainly-limited-to-western-liberal-democracies-poll-shows

 

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Negative views of Russia are largely confined to Europe and other liberal democracies. Positive views of Russia have been retained in China, Indonesia, Egypt, Vietnam, Algeria, Morocco, Malaysia, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

 

 

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

 

 Russian oil cannot be pumped without Western technology, it has no domestic car industry, all its domestic passenger aircraft are either Boeing or Airbus. 45% of Russian imports are machinery, technology and transport, about $100 billion before sanctions.

 

 

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

 

I thought it was Russia where one could get 15 years in jail for contradicting the official line on the war, AFAIK the Ukrainians do not have a similar penalty.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I was too old to be conscripted for Vietnam, if I had been I would have gone.

What wars have you fought in? Seems to me you are just trolling.

Just pointing out if you think that "we" should stand up and fight against Russia , bravely going to war with the dictator Putin and not "live on your knees"  , thats quite easy to say if you are living in Chiang Rai and the war wont effect you .

  Would you be as willing to go to war , if a Russian nuclear bomb would get dropped on Chiang Rai ?

[Lacessit]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You compared  Putin to Hitler , and Hitler had the intention of expanding his Empire right across Europe and as you made the comparison between the two people , it seems like you were suggestion that Putin has the same intentions as Hitler . If not, why compare the two people ?

I compared Putin to Hitler in terms of the effectiveness of appeasement.

[Smoothsailing1]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Russian oil cannot be pumped without Western technology, it has no domestic car industry, all its domestic passenger aircraft are either Boeing or Airbus. 45% of Russian imports are machinery, technology and transport, about $100 billion before sanctions.

 

 

The Russians have been living with sanctions for years. They are getting better at dealing with life without western parts and equipment. Between themselves, the Chinese, Indians and other partners they will manage.

 

EU resolve is failing

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I compared Putin to Hitler in terms of the effectiveness of appeasement. You do like to distort or extend what what other posters say, don't you?

There are numerous other World leaders who you could have compared Putin to, World leaders where dialogue  has led to a resolvent of problems .

   People who compare Putin to Hitler are making the suggestion that Putin has similar ideologies and intentions to Hitler 

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

 Biden should have negotiated before this whole Ukraine thing escalated to a (proxy) war between Russia and the US leaving everybody perilously close to nuclear conflict. The last guy would never have let this happen.

You're right, he tried to everything in his power to nobble NATO and let Putin do whatever he wanted. If you think Trump would have stood up to Putin, that's delusional.

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There are numerous other World leaders who you could have compared Putin to, World leaders where dialogue  has led to a resolvent of problems .

   People who compare Putin to Hitler are making the suggestion that Putin has similar ideologies and intentions to Hitler 

Putin invaded a sovereign nation.

Putin denies the existence of Ukrainian identity and nationhood.

Putin is genocidal towards the Ukrainian people.

Close enough.

[ozimoron]

21 hours ago, zackz said:

 

Biden has handed out massive quantities of weapons to Ukraine that Trump did his best to deny. Trump wanted to make sure Ukraine could not defend itself.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/11/15/trump-resisted-ukraine-sale-javelin-antitank-missile/

[Jingthing]

Most Americans don't love Biden but most Americans support helping Ukrainian resistance against war criminal Putin.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3467203-nearly-three-fourths-of-americans-support-us-helping-supply-weapons-to-ukraine-poll/

 

 

Close to 75 percent of Americans back the United States assisting in supplying weapons to Ukraine, according to a new poll.

A Reuters-Ipsos poll found that 73 percent of people support the U.S. aiding in arms shipments to the former Soviet Union nation, up from 68 percent in March, Reuters reported.

When it comes to President Biden’s job regarding Ukraine, 46 percent of Americans give the president a thumbs-up. 

Edited June 2, 2022 by Jingthing

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Putin invaded a sovereign nation.

Putin denies the existence of Ukrainian identity and nationhood.

Putin is genocidal towards the Ukrainian people.

Close enough.

Ukraine wanted to be free from its former Associates Russia/USSR , just like the U.K wanted to be free from its former Associates , the E.U .

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ukraine wanted to be free from its former Associates Russia/USSR , just like the U.K wanted to be free from its former Associates , the E.U .

and now, unlike in Ukraine, most UK citizens think brexit was a mistake. Poll results previously posted.

[Jingthing]

54 minutes ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

Outside of the west, countries don't blame Russia for the war

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/30/negative-views-of-russia-mainly-limited-to-western-liberal-democracies-poll-shows

 

 

 

They're wrong.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

Russia is closer to autarky. Western nations have a lot of climate cringe self sabotaged programmed in.

 

That is childish nonsense.

It's actually on point.

Look into the story of Putin's childhood.

 

 

https://robpasick.com/putin-is-a-bully/

 

Putin Is a Bully

 

A question that perplexes us all is, how do we deal with a bully? While this is a challenge we have all had to deal with multiple times, today the question is monumental: how do we deal with the bully from Russia?

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ukraine wanted to be free from its former Associates Russia/USSR , just like the U.K wanted to be free from its former Associates , the E.U .

No. Not just like. Almost nothing like. 

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52 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ukraine wanted to be free from its former Associates Russia/USSR , just like the U.K wanted to be free from its former Associates , the E.U .

Is that what Russia and the USSR were? Just associates? Really?

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is that what Russia and the USSR were? Just associates? Really?

Well there were "associated" , although there are probably also other words that you could use to describe the conglomerate 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Smoothsailing1 said:

I can't post the pictures as they would be deleted. I've seen kids tied to lamp posts. Women left half naked and at the mercy of rapists. Men beaten to a pulp. It is claimed that some of these people are looters. We don't know. It is inhumane behavior.

 

Russia is responding to NATO creeping towards it's borders for decades. When the Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba we came close to nuclear war.

 

While they are saying that Putin is crazy, they are simultaneously provoking a nuclear armed Russia. These actions don't make sense, if they really believe that Putin is unstable, so they use this childish nonsense in place of an argument.

 

Most American's can't find Ukraine on a map. Russia Today is banned in the west. People who questioned the pro-war narrative got banned from social media. American's don't have good information on which to make decisions.

 

If they were told that American actions could start WW3, lead to starvation in poor countries, and trigger high inflation at home they would want a diplomatic solution.

 

We don't know who is making decisions for Biden. Biden has been complaining that his staff contradict and over rule him. Remember when he said he wouldn't be sending the missiles? That got reversed next day.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-a-biden-white-house-adrift/ar-AAXUtnp

 

 

 

 

 

Lets get this right, it is Russia that is pro war, not the US this case. It was Russia which attacked without any provocation. Sovereign countries have allied themselves in NATO to protect themselves against the Russian threat which has seen it invade a number of countries in recent years.