onthedarkside Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Speaking to Sky News this morning, Liz Truss warned that NATO members must make it their "absolute priority" to stop the Ukraine war and push Russian troops out of the country - or face a "much less safe Europe" The UK government will spend 2.5% of GDP on defence by 2030, Boris Johnson has announced, as NATO's secretary general warned that the alliance must stand up to Vladimir Putin. Speaking from the NATO conference in Madrid, the prime minister told broadcasters that "we need to invest for the long-term in vital capabilities like future combat air, whilst simultaneously adapting to a more dangerous and more competitive world". "The logical conclusion of the investments on which we propose to embark, these decisions, is that we'll reach 2.5% of GDP on defence by the end of the decade," he continued. The sum equates to a further £55 billion. (more) https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-spend-2-5-of-gdp-on-defence-by-2030-boris-johnson-announces-12643124 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 Nicola Sturgeon’s ministers: No more Scottish money should be given to Ukraine for weapons Kate Forbes, Scotland’s finance secretary, says £65m provided to the Treasury ‘must not be seen as any kind of precedent’ Nicola Sturgeon’s ministers have said no more of Scotland’s money should be given to Ukraine for weapons after being pressured by the Treasury to hand over £65 million. Kate Forbes, the Scottish finance secretary, said she had agreed to provide the funding “on this occasion” but made it clear that “this must not be seen as any kind of precedent”. Her comments were echoed by Rebecca Evans, her Welsh counterpart, who said she had been forced to give £30 million earmarked for “devolved areas like health and education”. But the Treasury “strongly disagreed”, saying government departments across Whitehall had also been asked to make a contribution through their underspend. (more) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/30/nicola-sturgeons-snp-will-no-longer-send-money-ukraine-weapons/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 The tories have broken their electoral pledge on defence. No reason to believe this pledge will be any different. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/28/no-10-to-ditch-defence-spending-manifesto-pledge?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 27 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The tories have broken their electoral pledge on defence. No reason to believe this pledge will be any different. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/28/no-10-to-ditch-defence-spending-manifesto-pledge?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other They did pledge that defence spending be 0.5% above the inflation rate , They didnt expect the inflation rate to rise to 10 % 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: They did pledge that defence spending be 0.5% above the inflation rate , They didnt expect the inflation rate to rise to 10 % They lied. No reason to trust this pledge or anything that emerges from johnson or his cabinets mouths. Edited June 30, 2022 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Bluespunk said: They lied. End of. It is understandable why they couldn't proceed with the pledge , which was due to an unforeseeable rise in interest rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It is understandable why they couldn't proceed with the pledge , which was due to an unforeseeable rise in interest rates Pledge made. Pledge broken. No reason to believe this pledge will be kept either. It’s just another bus… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Bluespunk said: Pledge made. Pledge broken. No reason to believe this pledge will be kept either. It’s just another bus… Previously he made the mistake of attaching the defence spending to the inflation rate , now that the inflation rate has gone up by an unforecastable amount , hes dropped that pledge and now just given a flat rate pledge of 2.5 % 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: Previously he made the mistake of attaching the defence spending to the inflation rate , now that the inflation rate has gone up by an unforecastable amount , hes dropped that pledge and now just given a flat rate pledge of 2.5 % Pledges from johnson are not worth anything. They will be broken. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Pledges from johnson are not worth anything. They will be broken. He did Pledge to get the UK out the E.U. and kept to that pledge 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: He did Pledge to get the UK out the E.U. and kept to that pledge Ah yes… I remember the bus around that time with a certain spending pledge. That spending promise was broken, as will this spending pledge. johnson lies. Edited June 30, 2022 by Bluespunk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Ah yes… I remember the bus around that time with a certain spending pledge. That spending promise was broken, as will this spending pledge. johnson lies. You misunderstood what was written on the bus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, Mac Mickmanus said: You misunderstood what was written on the bus no. I know what it was. It was a deliberate attempt to mislead by deception. AKA: a lie. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) that 55bln gbp is per year so total in the next 7 years would be hundreds of bln. Some taxpayers might take offence to be part in murder. I am afraid that military budget would be growing well above those 2.5%. Might be closer to 1% per year when war approaching. Germany has already planned 2.5% for the next year, and they are slightly less blood thirsty than the UK (with is't closest relation with USA and colonial past) Edited June 30, 2022 by internationalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: no. I know what it was. It was a deliberate attempt to mislead by deception. AKA: a lie. It was a suggestion . You misunderstood the suggestion to be a promise 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emeraldruby Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Ah yes… I remember the bus around that time with a certain spending pledge. That spending promise was broken, as will this spending pledge. johnson lies. yeah yeah yeah we get it. You are a guardian reader. you hate Johnson, Trump, Brexit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, internationalism said: that 55bln gbp is per year so total in the next 7 years would be hundreds of bln. Some taxpayers might take offence to be part in murder. I am afraid that military budget would be growing well above those 2.5%. Might be closer to 1% per year when war approaching. Germany has already planned 2.5% for the next year, and they are slightly less blood thirsty than the UK (with is't closest relation with USA and colonial past) The increase in spending is because of the concerns about Russia 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The increase in spending is because of the concerns about Russia or revival of the british empire and colonial appetites somewhere towards ukraine and eastwards. The UK needs cheap grains, foods, and expansion of their export markets after leaving the eu and european economic area Edited June 30, 2022 by internationalism 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: It was a suggestion . You misunderstood the suggestion to be a promise No. It was a deception and by the by, one I did not believe because it was a johnson faction pledge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, emeraldruby said: yeah yeah yeah we get it. You are a guardian reader. you hate Johnson, Trump, Brexit And that is on topic because… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 32 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: No. It was a deception and by the by, one I did not believe because it was a johnson faction pledge. You were deceived because you couldn't understand what it meant 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You were deceived because you couldn't understand what it meant Nope. Now to get back on topic; I just don’t believe this pledge, coming so soon after breaking a previous spending pledge. Smacks of saying anything to deflect attention from the broken spending pledge… Edited June 30, 2022 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You were deceived because you couldn't understand what it meant 1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said: You misunderstood what was written on the bus Not sure how that (factually incorrect) message could have been misunderstood? But I agree that an awful lot of people were deceived. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, RayC said: Not sure how that (factually incorrect) message could have been misunderstood? But I agree that an awful lot of people were deceived. Yes, and they ARE funding the NHS 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, and they ARE funding the NHS A meaningless statement. EVERY government has funded the NHS since it's inception. We didn't send the EU £350m/ week. That is factually incorrect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, RayC said: A meaningless statement. EVERY government has funded the NHS since it's inception. We didn't send the EU £350m/ week. That is factually incorrect. We did send them the money and they gave us some money back in the form of a rebate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post candide Posted June 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: We did send them the money and they gave us some money back in the form of a rebate No. It was not a discount paid back later. The UK was paying a net amount after having deduced the rebate. What the UK got back were the EU subsidies such as subsidies to agriculture or research. So what was written on the bus was a lie. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/ Edited June 30, 2022 by candide 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Boris being the good poodle. Must of got his marching orders in person from Joe. Worked as intended with Raytheon shares popping 3.6% after the announcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 6:52 PM, internationalism said: or revival of the british empire and colonial appetites somewhere towards ukraine and eastwards. Doubtful, but they could do worse. In fact they did as part of the old united soviet. The British Empire was the best thing to happen to the whole world since the Romans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi3eddie Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) On 6/30/2022 at 6:24 PM, Mac Mickmanus said: He did Pledge to get the UK out the E.U. and kept to that pledge At least Boris did one thing. We were sold a pup as some might say. Nothing has improved. Nothing has changed except for the worst. Did Covid derail this - who knows. I think it was always going to be bad leaving Europe. Real question is would we really have been better staying IN the European Union? Will Scotland benefit from leaving the Union of the UK? Edited July 1, 2022 by soi3eddie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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