Texas education board rejects proposal to call slavery ‘involuntary relocation’

[onthedarkside]

 

A group of educators in Texas proposed referring to slavery as “involuntary relocation” in second-grade classes — before being rebuffed by the State Board of Education.

 

The nine educators made up one of many groups tasked with advising the Texas board on changes to the social studies curriculum, which would affect the state’s almost 9,000 public schools.

 

Minutes of a June 15 meeting in Austin, which lasted over 13 hours, said committee members got an update on the social studies review before giving their feedback.

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The State Board of Education mandates policies and standards for Texas public schools, setting curriculum rules, reviewing and adopting instructional materials and overseeing some funding. The board will have a final vote on the curriculum in November, according to the Tribune.

 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/07/01/texas-board-education-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

 

 

Also:

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30/texas-slavery-involuntary-relocation/

 

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

A group of educators in Texas proposed referring to slavery as “involuntary relocation” in second-grade classes

because?

 

I teach children of this age and can see no educational reason for this proposal. 

Edited July 1, 2022 by Bluespunk

[ozimoron]

This incident underscores the need for teaching the truth of the history of slavery aka critical race theory.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

because?

The R word.

[Credo]

Involuntary relocation is not a proper term.  Many slaves were born and spent their entire life on the same plantation.  They were never relocated.  They were slaves, pure and simple.

 

[pegman]

Another suggestion "unpaid labourers"? 

[Jingthing]

10 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

because?

 

I teach children of this age and can see no educational reason for this proposal. 

I think this is about the insane backlash against critical race theory. They don't want the white kids to feel guilty or some such silliness.

[EVENKEEL]

11 hours ago, ozimoron said:

This incident underscores the need for teaching the truth of the history of slavery aka critical race theory.

Second graders here people, how about they first learn not to eat glue or chalk. CRT, good one????

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Second graders here people, how about they first learn not to eat glue or chalk. CRT, good one????

I teach children younger than second grade. Not one has tried to eat glue or chalk so I doubt older ones will. They are more than capable of discussing issues such as those CRT looks at.
 

This can be done in a manner by teachers whose job it is to ensure the content, language used and manner of learning is age appropriate. 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Second graders here people, how about they first learn not to eat glue or chalk. CRT, good one????

So lie to them about history?

They clearly are teaching history at that age so freakin' don't whitewash it!

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I teach children younger than second grade. Not one has tried to eat glue or chalk so I doubt older ones will. They are more than capable of discussing issues such as those CRT looks at.
 

This can be done in a manner by teachers whose job it is to ensure the content, language used and manner of learning is age appropriate. 

CRT is a college course is it not, or that's what most on here say.

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

CRT is a college course is it not, or that's what most on here say.

So why did you mention it in your post dealing with second graders. 
 

And I didn’t say CRT is taught in school. I said the issues it deals with…

[KhunLA]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

This incident underscores the need for teaching the truth of the history of slavery aka critical race theory.

No, both are completely silly, and false IMHO.

 

How about we stick with science and math, something that doesn't divide & distract.  And hey, it's something you need & useful to you.

 

Knowing people were A-holes a few generations ago is irrelevant to anything in the future.  Can't go forward if you're always looking back.

 

If I had kids now, in USA, I wouldn't let them near a school.  Or let them watch the Disney channel ????

Edited July 2, 2022 by KhunLA

[Bkk Brian]

12 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

A group of educators in Texas proposed referring to slavery as “involuntary relocation” in second-grade classes — before being rebuffed by the State Board of Education.

So what happens when they go into third grade, are they finally told the truth of what slavery actually was?

[Jingthing]

Obviously you wouldn't want to get overly graphic about slavery to the very young but to introduce the basic facts about such an important part of American history using clear words yes absolutely.

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

So why did you mention it in your post dealing with second graders. 
 

And I didn’t say CRT is taught in school. I said the issues it deals with…

If you were paying attention I didn't start the CRT talk, I only responded.

[EVENKEEL]

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No, both are completely silly, and false IMHO.

 

How about we stick with science and math, something that doesn't divide & distract.  And hey, it's something you need & useful to you.

 

Knowing people were A-holes a few generations ago is irrelevant to anything in the future.  Can't go forward if you're always looking back.

 

If I had kids now, in USA, I wouldn't let them near a school.  Or let them watch the Disney channel ????

Agree, I wouldn't let my kid near a public school today. I didn't do it 30+ years ago, today.....forget about it.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

If you were paying attention I didn't start the CRT talk, I only responded.

Start or not, you mentioned it in your post dealing with second graders.
 

I simply pointed out

 

A: children don’t eat glue or chalk

 

B: the issues crt deals with can be investigated in an appropriate manner in school. 

[EVENKEEL]

On 7/2/2022 at 1:13 PM, Bluespunk said:

Start or not, you mentioned it in your post dealing with second graders.
 

I simply pointed out

 

A: children don’t eat glue or chalk

 

B: the issues crt deals with can be investigated in an appropriate manner in school. 

the chalk eating is an urban legend from years gone by.

 

Second graders have no need learning about slavery. All that does is program black kids to feel victimized and white kids to what? feel responsible for what happened so long ago.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Grow a sense of humor, the chalk eating is an urban legend from years gone by.

 

Second graders have no need learning about slavery. All that does is program black kids to feel victimized and white kids to what? feel responsible for what happened so long ago.

Issues such as slavery can be taught in an appropriate and balanced manner. Children can be taught to examine the facts and develop an understanding of what happened.
 

A school is a safe space where this can be done in a way that allows appropriate  information to be presented without bias and in a non accusatory fashion. 
 

If this is not done in schools where else would you suggest children learn about the past in an open and honest way?

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

No, both are completely silly, and false IMHO.

 

How about we stick with science and math, something that doesn't divide & distract.  And hey, it's something you need & useful to you.

 

Knowing people were A-holes a few generations ago is irrelevant to anything in the future.  Can't go forward if you're always looking back.

 

If I had kids now, in USA, I wouldn't let them near a school.  Or let them watch the Disney channel ????

Ah the utilitarian view of eduction raises its ugly head. Apart from creating dull and sterile minds good for nothing but working, let us remind ourselves:

 

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

On 7/2/2022 at 1:19 PM, EVENKEEL said:

the chalk eating is an urban legend from years gone by.

 

Second graders have no need learning about slavery. All that does is program black kids to feel victimized and white kids to what? feel responsible for what happened so long ago.

You propose a utilitarian education, void of discussing facts of life and history that you and the political right are uncomfortable with; and then have the front to suggest education beyond your own narrow aims is ‘programming’.

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

On 7/2/2022 at 1:32 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Ah the utilitarian view of eduction raises its ugly head. Apart from creating dull and sterile minds good for nothing but working, let us remind ourselves:

 

“Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchill.

 

And yet it is taught and repeated constantly ... go figure.

 

World wars even get numbered ... nobody expects there not to be a 3rd.

So what has been learned .... NOTHING

 

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling, misinformation comment removed

[Bkk Brian]

On 7/2/2022 at 1:47 PM, KhunLA said:

And yet it is taught and repeated constantly ... go figure.

 

World wars even get numbered ... nobody expects there not to be a 3rd.

So what has been learned .... NOTHING

 

Not seen a repeat of Hitler, my daughter learnt about his atrocities in school.

[klauskunkel]

American children are being taught about slavery just by going to church or bible school, where they learn that Egypt had enslaved the Jewish nation in the time of Moses. This practice is portrayed as despicable and barbaric and needed to be expunged with extreme prejudice by God.

 

Now, if children in America are taught about slavery correctly in school and they discover that the same despicable and barbaric practice was promoted in America for over 2 centuries, and they correlate these two teachings leading to this conclusion:

In a country that portrays itself as god-fearing, how could this have happened when God told everybody how he hates slavery and how he dealt with it 3,500 years earlier?

 

The answer is: “involuntary relocation”

 

 

[ozimoron]

59 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Agree, I wouldn't let my kid near a public school today. I didn't do it 30+ years ago, today.....forget about it.

Happy with your daughter being a Walmart checkout girl for the rest of her life?

Edited July 2, 2022 by ozimoron

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 hours ago, Credo said:

Involuntary relocation is not a proper term.  Many slaves were born and spent their entire life on the same plantation.  They were never relocated.  They were slaves, pure and simple.

 

 

When the right-wingers involved in this came up with their term, I'm guessing they were referring back to the original "involuntary relocation" of black slaves from Africa to what is now the U.S.   That certainly was a form of "involuntary relocation" from one continent to another...   But most of us just call it what it was..... slavery.

 

[KhunLA]

14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Been teaching 33 years now and not once have I encouraged racist or bigoted behaviours. 

Good for you.  It & I used to be only taught at home.  Now in the USA, they teach it in the classroom.  If I'm reading things right.

Edited July 2, 2022 by KhunLA

[Bluespunk]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Good for you.  I used to be only taught at home.  Now in the USA, they teach it in the classroom.  If I'm reading things right.

I really doubt they are teaching racism and bigotry. However, if you have links to credible sources of evidence that this is happening I will read them. 

[EVENKEEL]

32 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Happy with your daughter being a Walmart checkout girl for the rest of her life?

What are you getting on about? I sent my son to a Christian school 30+ yrs ago. My daughter is in a school in Thailand.