Eleven Conservatives now bidding to be next UK prime minister

[candide]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those .

   Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic  problems 

Yet 100% of developed countries (which have a similar economic development to UK) have an inflation rate between 6.1% and 10.5%, 5 above UK and 10 below UK.

Edited July 21, 2022 by candide

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but generally, the U.Ks inflation figures are roughly the same as most other E.U Nations , about 70 % of Countries have an inflation figure of between 8 % and 12 & and the UK is in the middle of those .

   Which shows that Brexit isnt the cause of the U.K's economic  problems 

No. Inflation is one indicator but there are more. Having a similar inflation to other countries doesn't show Brexit isn't the cause of the problems.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, TropicalGuy said:

Since Tory PARTY Elected to Power, Tory PARTY Removes & Replaces PM. Nobody else. It isn’t rocket science ???? 

Duh! I know that. 
 

If you bother to read the post I quoted originally you will see my point was simply that I think it is relevant who elects the pm. 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, TropicalGuy said:

No. It should not ????country elected a Party on its Policies not its Leader. We are not quite a Presidential Democracy yet????

Which as you surely realize is nonsense. The party leader plays a big part in the elections.

Maybe next time better think before posting.

[Bluespunk]

Ah…and so it continues 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/rishi-sunak-steps-up-attack-on-truss-tax-cuts-as-poll-puts-his-rival-well-ahead?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

And it’s not just sunak who is concerned about truss’ taxation pledges. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/liz-truss-tax-spending-plans-consternation-economists?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited July 21, 2022 by Bluespunk

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, SatEng said:

Studies of public attitudes in the following years have shown that the other "hot-button" issues much are prominent within the right wing press and conservative talking points but are of much less the interest to the general public.

You do realize that the right wing conservative party was elected by a massive majority by the General Public? The 'general public' generally see these Woke issues as ridiculous, backwards and annoying, but an extreme leftist vocal minority likes to give the impression that their view is the commonly held view. Social media platforms like Twitter that pander to the leftists and remove opposing views reinforce this mistaken view.

 

That's why these extreme Lefties always seem so shocked when they lose the 'real life' votes like Brexit and the last few General Elections ????.

 

Their deluded world crumbles and so they take to platforms like this to tell everyone again that they are correct, and that most people agree with them. Case in point.

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, SatEng said:

She got caught out in an anti-LBGT rant and would not support same-sex marriage when it came up for a vote

She has a history of anti-gay bias and bigotry

 

Caught out? If you step out of your Woke echo chamber for a moment you would find that many Christians and Muslims are opposed to gay marriage because their religion does not support it.

 

That is their view (not mine) and they are entitled to it. Maybe you should try to cancel Christianity and Islam. 

 

Once again, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a Bigot. A very narrow world view if I may say so.

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah…and so it continues 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/rishi-sunak-steps-up-attack-on-truss-tax-cuts-as-poll-puts-his-rival-well-ahead?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

And it’s not just sunak who is concerned about truss’ taxation pledges. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/liz-truss-tax-spending-plans-consternation-economists?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

A left wing socialist rag reporting negatively on a conservative candidate who proposes low taxation and a free market economy.

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Sunak criticizing the policies of his rival for the PM's job. 

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Maybe you could link some Channel 4 'news' reports next? 

[transam]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah…and so it continues 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/rishi-sunak-steps-up-attack-on-truss-tax-cuts-as-poll-puts-his-rival-well-ahead?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

And it’s not just sunak who is concerned about truss’ taxation pledges. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/21/liz-truss-tax-spending-plans-consternation-economists?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

A lefty rag, how surprising...........????

 

PS. Your sentence starting with "And" has a big "A", The MP's name also has a big letter, a "T", "Truss".....????

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You do realize that the right wing conservative party was elected by a massive majority by the General Public? The 'general public' generally see these Woke issues as ridiculous, backwards and annoying, but an extreme leftist vocal minority likes to give the impression that their view is the commonly held view. Social media platforms like Twitter that pander to the leftists and remove opposing views reinforce this mistaken view.

 

That's why these extreme Lefties always seem so shocked when they lose the 'real life' votes like Brexit and the last few General Elections ????.

 

Their deluded world crumbles and so they take to platforms like this to tell everyone again that they are correct, and that most people agree with them. Case in point.

LOL, elected bu a massive majority by the general public? How much percentage of the vote did they get again?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You do realize that the right wing conservative party was elected by a massive majority by the General Public? The 'general public' generally see these Woke issues as ridiculous, backwards and annoying, but an extreme leftist vocal minority likes to give the impression that their view is the commonly held view. Social media platforms like Twitter that pander to the leftists and remove opposing views reinforce this mistaken view.

 

That's why these extreme Lefties always seem so shocked when they lose the 'real life' votes like Brexit and the last few General Elections ????.

 

Their deluded world crumbles and so they take to platforms like this to tell everyone again that they are correct, and that most people agree with them. Case in point.

People who through poverty, the cost of living crisis and fuel/energy hikes are skipping meals, getting further in debt and facing ever increasing bills to pay through runaway inflation are not in the slightest concerned with rightwing ‘culture wars’.

 

Johnson had a massive majority in Parliament, he’s not being replaced because the General Public are concerned about rightwing ’culture wars’ or your fear of the political left.

 

Neither of the candidates have any answers for the problems the General Public are facing.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, stevenl said:

LOL, elected bu a massive majority by the general public? How much percentage of the vote did they get again?

Has there ever been consideration  given in the UK to instituting a system of ranked voting whereby a voter gets to list their second, third, etc choices so that if no candidate gets an absolute majority then the candidate with the least votes gets their votes distributed according to their second choice? And if that still doesn't produce a majority, then to their third choice? This way, MPs would by elected by a majority of voters rather than a plurality.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A left wing socialist rag reporting negatively on a conservative candidate who proposes low taxation and a free market economy.

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Sunak criticizing the policies of his rival for the PM's job. 

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Maybe you could link some Channel 4 'news' reports next? 

The real question, regardless of where they are reported:

 

Are Sunak’s criticisms of Truss’ policies valid?

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

LOL, elected bu a massive majority by the general public? How much percentage of the vote did they get again?

Oh, not again, the % thingy.................????

What % did Labour lose the election by, whilst you're at it....????

[transam]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Has there ever been consideration  given in the UK to instituting a system of ranked voting whereby a voter gets to list their second, third, etc choices so that if no candidate gets an absolute majority then the candidate with the least votes gets their votes distributed according to their second choice? And if that still doesn't produce a majority, then to their third choice? This way, MPs would by elected by a majority of voters rather than a plurality.

Are there any countries that do that.....?  ????

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

People who through poverty, the cost of living crisis and fuel/energy hikes are skipping meals, getting further in debt and facing ever increasing bills to pay through runaway inflation are not in the slightest concerned with rightwing ‘culture wars’.

 

Johnson had a massive majority in Parliament, he’s not being replaced because the General Public are concerned about rightwing ’culture wars’ or your fear of the political left.

 

Neither of the candidates have any answers for the problems the General Public are facing.

 

 

It's possible to be struggling financially and also be sick and tired of the tiresome Woke culture currently ramming ridiculous opinions down everyone's throats. The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the poor working class are currently extremely irritated by the Left Wokies harping on about women having penises, men having babies etc. when they are struggling to make ends meet. 

 

Johnson is being replaced because he had a glass of wine at an after work meeting, amongst other silly gaffs. Unfortunately the constant hounding of him by the left wing MSM made his position untenable (and yes, he did make the situation worse with his cavalier behaviour).

 

Unfortunately for the left, he's most like going to be replaced by someone further to the right. I would say "Let's wait until the left wing start hounding the new PM" but as we can see from your post, it's started before they've even taken up the position. ????

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The real question, regardless of where they are reported:

 

Are Sunak’s criticisms of Truss’ policies valid?

 

Soon find out......????

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's possible to be struggling financially and also be sick and tired of the tiresome Woke culture currently ramming ridiculous opinions down everyone's throats. The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, the poor working class are currently extremely irritated by the Left Wokies harping on about women having penises, men having babies etc. when they are struggling to make ends meet. 

 

Johnson is being replaced because he had a glass of wine at an after work meeting, amongst other silly gaffs. Unfortunately the constant hounding of him by the left wing MSM made his position untenable (and yes, he did make the situation worse with his cavalier behaviour).

 

Unfortunately for the left, he's most like going to be replaced by someone further to the right. I would say "Let's wait until the left wing start hounding the new PM" but as we can see from your post, it's started before they've even taken up the position. ????

I'm in the UK, I hear constant discussion of the cost of living, fuel/energy prices, inflation.

 

I don’t hear any discussion about rightwing ‘culture wars’.

 

People are far too focussed on simply getting by in their own lives to be in the slightest bit bothered about how other people live theirs.

 

Nobody is interested in the faux outrage of rightwing ’culture wars’, it’s not even on the radar.

 

And quit the gaslighting, Johnson was brought down by his own failings and his own party.

 

Not some lefty skulduggery.

Edited July 22, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Soon find out......????

Yes, promises being made need to be met.

[CharlieH]

Thezs REPEATED OFF TOPIC deflections are becoming tiresome.

 

If it continues holidays will now be given.

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The real question, regardless of where they are reported:

 

Are Sunak’s criticisms of Truss’ policies valid?

 

In my opinion. not valid.

 

People are struggling and the massive tax burden is not helping. As someone who supports the free market economy, deregulation and a low taxation model I believe that her policy is spot on.

 

Taxing people to death to pay for huge government spending is not something I support. I believe reduced taxes will encourage investment and spending, both of which kick start the economy instead of choking it by taking money out of people's pockets to spend on often failed government projects.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I'm in the UK, I hear constant discussion of the cost of living, fuel/energy prices, inflation.

 

I don’t hear any discussion about rightwing ‘culture wars’.

 

People are far too focussed on simply getting by in their own lives to be in the slightest bit bothered about how other people live theirs.

 

Nobody is interested in the faux outrage of rightwing ’culture wars’, it’s not even on the radar.

I'm not surprised you don't hear it.

 

Probably because as soon as someone in your left wing echo chamber disagrees with the extreme left they are shouted down as Racist, Misogynistic, transphobic etc. It's difficult to have a civilized conversation in that environment, so people keep it to themselves until it's time to vote at which point your echo chamber is shocked to their core by the result.

[transam]

I reckon Liz will take a lot of Penny's votes, I hope so.....????

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In my opinion. not valid.

 

People are struggling and the massive tax burden is not helping. As someone who supports the free market economy, deregulation and a low taxation model I believe that her policy is spot on.

 

Taxing people to death to pay for huge government spending is not something I support. I believe reduced taxes will encourage investment and spending, both of which kick start the economy instead of choking it by taking money out of people's pockets to spend on often failed government projects.

Beware ‘fairytale economics’.

 

 

[placeholder]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

Are there any countries that do that.....?  ????

In the USA Alaska and Maine use ranked voting to elect members of Congress.

[transam]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

In the USA Alaska and Maine use ranked voting to elect members of Congress.

I did ask for Countries, not a couple of cold regions in the USA....????

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Are there any countries that do that.....?  ????

Australia.

[transam]

Just now, placeholder said:

Australia.

Thank you....

[Chomper Higgot]

Getting back to topic.

 

The new PM will be elected by the rank and file of the Tory Constituency Party, a group of people who are not representative of the public at large but who are predominantly old and retired (therefore living on fixed incomes or soon to be living on fixed incomes).

 

Inflation is a very significant concern for people living on fixed incomes and with savings under threat.

 

The two candidates are offering diametrically opposed fiscal policies.
 

Sunak is proposing policies to fight inflation.

 

Truss is proposing policies to cut taxes and spend which are widely criticized on the basis they will increase inflation.

That’s the choice people for whom inflation is a significant concern have before them.

 

It is the visible split in the Tory Party.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A left wing socialist rag reporting negatively on a conservative candidate who proposes low taxation and a free market economy.

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Sunak criticizing the policies of his rival for the PM's job. 

 

Quelle surprise.

 

Maybe you could link some Channel 4 'news' reports next? 

Yet you produce nothing to refute the reported facts.
 

All you have is self serving inaccurate claims about the papers political stance - the paper is reporting what was said and you can’t refute that. 
 

Socialist- LOL. 
 

#gotruss- the opposition awaits. 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Bluespunk