Thailand in the rules-based International Order

[arithai12]

2 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

Yes, to all the anti-Westerners “America’s the cause of all the world’s ills” out there, would you really want to live in a world in which Russia or China was the dominant power?

To criticize US international politics and to be anti-Western is an equation that exists in your mind, not in mine.

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The “order” to which the US refers, Blinken explains, is a set of basic rules about how countries relate to one another, with respect for sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity, human rights, with the universal declaration of human rights as its foundation.

Ahhh yes, the country that tried to wipe out it's own native population.

[Andycoops]

15 hours ago, gearbox said:

The American "rules based order" is set of principles and rules designed to keep the vast majority of the world forever at the bottom of the food chain. The Chinese villains are attempting to break these rules because they don't want to manufacture cheap t-shirts and thongs forever.

Can you recommend the quality cheap brands of Chinese made thongs please.

[gearbox]

5 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

Can you recommend the quality cheap brands of Chinese made thongs please.

When my Crocs broke a few months ago I got a pair from Tesco for 120 baht,  still going strong, now travelling in Europe with them ????????

[userabcd]

4 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It means this is an informal way of the US HELPING countries like Thailand, if they are willing to follow the US rules.

 

It's an alternate to China's BELT & ROAD initiative, which will eventually make every country in Asia dependent upon China's rules (or else).

 

When's the last time the US invaded a country for permanent occupation?

 

Name one country.

 

China?

 

Tibet.

 

And now they're gearing up to invade Taiwan.

 

Hey.  Asian countries don't have to play by America's rules.

 

You can be subsumed by China.

 

Up to you. ????

 

 

Shocking how many countries the US has invaded over the years

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/how-many-countries-has-the-us-invaded

 

Every time a US leader sprouts off to the world "Rules Based order" or "the US leaders of the free world" one becomes rankled by their arrogance.

Edited July 14, 2022 by userabcd

[Arthur Mullard]

3 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

It means this is an informal way of the US HELPING countries like Thailand, if they are willing to follow the US rules.

 

It's an alternate to China's BELT & ROAD initiative, which will eventually make every country in Asia dependent upon China's rules (or else).

 

When's the last time the US invaded a country for permanent occupation?

 

Name one country.

 

China?

 

Tibet.

 

And now they're gearing up to invade Taiwan.

 

Hey.  Asian countries don't have to play by America's rules.

 

You can be subsumed by China.

 

Up to you. ????

 

 

Very well said.

[gearbox]

4 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Maybe the Chinese are thinking if Japan can get out of the cheap t-shirts and thongs so can we?

You are allowed keep your head above the water and even can learn to swim, but don't try to become a world champion....these are the rules ????

 

https://kendawg.medium.com/how-the-plaza-accord-helped-the-us-destroy-the-japanese-economy-b4b24c20a9af

 

[gearbox]

3 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

Yes, to all the anti-Westerners “America’s the cause of all the world’s ills” out there, would you really want to live in a world in which Russia or China was the dominant power?

Which anti-Westerners, most of the people commenting here are from the West. The West is in gradual decline and tries to prop itself with coups and wars. Our ever declining quality of politicians are turning our economies into "service economies",  nations with ever increasing quantities of financial engineers, divorce lawyers and other categories of people who have close to zero value in strategic competition. Look at Mr. Dementi, a nation of 340 millions can't find anyone better? In Australia Paul Keating was the last good politician, ever decreasing quality since then.

[LukKrueng]

That's rich coming from a country built in other nations lands after fighting them to extinction, a country that invades sovereign countries who don't fully agree with them, a country that human rights violations are only opposed to when happen in other countries. And that's only the shortlist...

[chilly07]

17 hours ago, connda said:

The 'rules based international order' means that your country takes its orders from the United States hegemony.

A 'international laws based international order' means that your country follows UN dictate and is the preferred method of Russia and China and their aligned BRICS nations.

These two opposed groups literally hate each other as they see only that their interests supersedes the rest of the world.

Considering that to quote Tears For Fears that "Everybody Wants To Rule The World", the big players wants everyone else to support their interests.
By the way - there are no Good Guys wearing White Hats.  There are only greedy oligarchs, control-freaks, and billionaires who want their own interests in front of the rest of the countries in the world as well as their populations.  If that means killing a few million people?  So be it.  A few billion - why not.  At the end of the day it's extreme austerity for the commoners and the transfer of extreme wealth to the elite.
To quote George Carlin, "It's a big club and you ain't in it."

I personally feel that these opposing side will end up starting a nuclear conflagration before 2030 with an enraged and fully propagandized public egging on the mutually assured destruction (MAD) - I lived though the Cuban Missile Crisis.  Who starts the 'first strike will be irrelevant.  The media blame game will be vaporized in an EMP flash along with most of the earth's population and infrastructure.   A small handful of Billionaire elites and their political and military henchmen will believe they can weather out the destruction in bunkers. Just hope the Eloi aren't waiting you ya'll exit your Morlock hidey-holes.

Viewing way to many disaster movies predicting dystopia! Without the planets population working to keep the rich and famous even more rich and famous, after MAD their wealth and fame disappears. It's in the oligarchs interest to prevent WW3 including getting rid of any maniacal world leader who jepardises their income!

[Stevemercer]

2 hours ago, roquefort said:

Of course. Anyone who questions US hegemony must be a communist.

Of course. Anyone who questions Russian or Chinese hegemony/world outook must be a rabid right wing loony

[CygnusX1]

2 hours ago, gearbox said:

Which anti-Westerners, most of the people commenting here are from the West. The West is in gradual decline and tries to prop itself with coups and wars. Our ever declining quality of politicians are turning our economies into "service economies",  nations with ever increasing quantities of financial engineers, divorce lawyers and other categories of people who have close to zero value in strategic competition. Look at Mr. Dementi, a nation of 340 millions can't find anyone better? In Australia Paul Keating was the last good politician, ever

My point was that the woke who hate the West and Western culture are themselves Westerners, and benefit from Western freedoms.

Most coups and wars are happening in non-Western countries, and are caused by local issues, not by Western interference.

Agree with your point on the problem of manufacturing industries being replaced by service economies. At least Thailand still has a strong manufacturing industry.

Biden will be peacefully replaced soon, unlike the dictators in Russia and China.

[allanos]

As globalism descends into its nadir, there is less and less incentive for political blocs

or individual nations to pull together to achieve common goals. Each is defending its

own turf in a new dog-eat-dog world unfolding before our eyes; a case of

survival of the fittest. Blinken is trotting out a theme which many don't, or never have,

really subscribed to.

 

The new world order does not allow for statesman-like visionaries to hold sway.

Many countries, and including the larger power-blocs, are led by inward-looking dwarfs,

(not to cast aspersions on the vertically-challenged in society), who cannot see beyond

their ego and grip on their own power-base. A common theme is a reluctance of such

leaders to relinquish hard-won power (lots of fatuous speaches, hand-shaking and baby-kissing).  We must not expect the US leadership to be any different, led, as it is, by a self-serving political hack.

 

The dynamics at play between rules-based order, or international laws-based order,

are unlikely to change for the foreseeable future, short of a world war.

 

In the latter scenario, if there is no outright winner, who is going to pick up the pieces

in a resultant power-vacuum?

 

 

[zzaa09]

9 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

Yes, to all the anti-Westerners “America’s the cause of all the world’s ills” out there.....

Well.......if the shoe fits. 

It might be more advisable towards those blind flag-wavers and deluded defending apologists to gather from their slumber and truly comprehend what evil force is historically the most destructive and fanciful......and continues to be. 

 

When it really gets down to it, not a culture to be admired.

[CygnusX1]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

When it really gets down to it, not a culture to be admired.

A country that’s presided over the greatest era of peace and prosperity the world’s ever known. Our best defence against the Russia-China axis of evil.

See how far you’d get making similar accusations against your government if you had the misfortune to be a citizen of Communist China.

[SiSePuede419]

14 hours ago, zyphodb said:

If Thailand does anything that upsets China much they can just turn off the Mekong river

Oh no!  How will the Yaabaa from Burmese warlords get through then?

 

[TropicalGuy]

Free Nations follow “rules” since they are properly Democratic, Accountable & Civilized. However, “national interest” often means those rules are “suspended” like for Espionage for example which is required by all nations. Or work by special forces which necessarily has no legal rules. 
 

Tyrants follow No Rules unless it suits them. Because they are not Civilized, not fairly Elected & not Accountable. Russia & China will & have invaded & permanently occupied foreign lands.Free Nations cant do this.

 

The English - speaking peoples need no UNDHR. Our rights are derived & protected under English Common Law and our Constitutions originating with the Magna Carta of 1215. ????

[honcho]

20 hours ago, Jack West Jr said:

Same old,same old . The good ole US of A dictating its policies to the rest of the world by means of big stick-policy . Meanwhile, racism , gun violence and social inequities abound in America . To top it all , the right to abortion has just been banned by the supreme court . Time for the countries of the world to decide their own fate , that is if Big Brothers USA , Russia and China will let them. 

 

abortion is not banned in america  check your facts

[SiSePuede419]

22 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Ukraine is not getting the support I would have expected prior, is that indicative of how countries really would react?

China is helping Russia, not Ukraine.  

 

And what is your country doing to help Ukraine?

 

Be specific.

[NightSky]

21 hours ago, roquefort said:

Of course. Anyone who questions US hegemony must be a communist.

or lefties (but probably plants)

Edited July 15, 2022 by NightSky