Trump did nothing to stop his supporters as they attacked Congress, threatened Pence, witnesses tell Jan. 6 committee

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

We must be talking about Biden.....

No, I think it's pretty clear I'm talking about twice impeached one-time-president and attempted coup plotter trump.

If you ever feel confused about who the thread is about I suggest you refer to the OP. Hope this clear up your misunderstanding,

[vandeventer]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No they didn't all just walk in. 1.5 million in damages so far counted

 

Braking windows is better than braking heads? And are you sure they were Trump supporters?

[candide]

6 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

We must be talking about Biden as he is doing such a  good job for America. It will most likely take to November before the truth comes out about The Big Guy and Hunter maybe than you guy 's might change your tune.

Deflection.....

BTW, if Biden candidates in 2024 and loses, I am sure he will not try to overturn elections and will not ask Kamala Harris to reject vote certifications.

[vandeventer]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

No, I think it's pretty clear I'm talking about twice impeached one-time-president and attempted coup plotter trump.

If you ever feel confused about who the thread is about I suggest you refer to the OP. Hope this clear up your misunderstanding,

Sorry ,impeached twice, so how did that go, did it make you Dems. feel any better?

[Fat is a type of crazy]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Any real evidence they were actually doing that and not LARPing though?

Clearly there is but even if some were silly billies stuffing around and taking photos inside did Trump know that. Did he not have the responsibility to act as soon as possible to take action to stop what was happening. Did it not have broader implications for democracy as a whole. Is he just stupid or malicious to let it keep going. Not sure why you and others hold Trump to a different standard. It's like you are mesmerised by his stupidity and maliciousness. Wake up. 

 

[heybruce]

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

What is your source of misinformation?

 

No, they didn't just march and take selfies.  They climbed walls, smashed windows, assaulted officers with flag poles, bear spray, fire extinguishers and anything else they could  lay their hands on.  They stole and vandalized.  They disrupted Congress while it was in session.  They were attempting a coup.

 

The "left-wing" is not allowed to rampage and attack police and businesses.  They were arrested, beaten, tear-gassed,  and prosecuted.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/02/22/fact-check-thousands-black-lives-matter-protesters-arrested-2020/6816074001/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/dc-police-arrests-blm-capitol-insurrection-invs/index.html

 

Try leaving your echo chamber when seeking information.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Braking windows is better than braking heads? And are you sure they were Trump supporters?

Breaking no windows and storming the building would have been even better. 882 already charged and 329 already pleaded guilty. They got to within 40ft of Pence 

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Any real evidence they were actually doing that and not LARPing though?

You are getting desperate for a justification if you are speculating on LARP.

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Braking windows is better than braking heads? And are you sure they were Trump supporters?

Not Trump supporters?  Another desperate defense of the indefensible.

[candide]

4 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

And when did Trump lead that assault.  Its funny.  Liberals are such wordsmiths.  When it is a cause they are for. They rioters burning, looting, and vandalizing are "mostly peaceful protestors"   When people gather to go to the capital, don't burn, loot, or vandalize they are assaulting the capital and insurrectionists. 

Since Trump even announced running this is part of a concerted effort to drum up some pretense to try and smear his reputation.  You had the  Russian Collusion bought and paid for by the DNC and Hillary Clinton, you had the Stormy Daniels smear though the attorney for her is currently in jail, you had the Ukraine abuse of power, though Biden openly bragged about a quid pro quo witholding aid, and most recently the capital charade. 

It is a tactic called for by Saul Alinksy, you attack and keep attacking never let your opponent take the offensive.  You tell a lie, make it a big lie and keep repeating it.  It does not matter that later it is disproven because a certain number of people will only hear the smear never the retraction. 
 

 

Trump told them to head to the Capitol, he wanted to go there and watched TV during 3 hours doing nothing. Actually, That's one of the problem and the topic of this thread: the President and Commander in Chief watched his followers  violently storm the Capitol and did nothing to stop it during 3 hours. Nothing, nada, walooo! 

 

The rest of your post is composed of loads of debunked B.S.

Edited July 24, 2022 by candide

[The Hammer2021]

Much ado about nothing- it looks like a show trial to me.  But it is a useful distraction from the failed Biden administration.

[candide]

9 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Much ado about nothing- it looks like a show trial to me.  But it is a useful distraction from the failed Biden administration.

Right! It was just a friendly visit of the Capitol! ????

[The Hammer2021]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Right! It was just a friendly visit of the Capitol! ????

I understand some elderly demonstrators died that day but I don't hear much about them.

But a famous French revolutionary once said: "There go my people. I must follow them because I am there  leader"

 

 

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Much ado about nothing- it looks like a show trial to me.  But it is a useful distraction from the failed Biden administration.

It speaks volumes about you that you consider an attack on the Capitol while Congress was certifying the Presidential election results as nothing.

 

The volumes begin with "Clearly not a patriot."

[The Hammer2021]

Just now, heybruce said:

It speaks volumes about you that you consider an attack on the Capitol while Congress was certifying the Presidential election results as nothing.

 

The volumes begin with "Clearly not a patriot."

The outrage and show trial all looks a bit fake. Honestly- you could  expect similar  violence in England when United play Liverpool away or the Derby between City and United. If this rowdy demonstration hadn't happened perhaps the Democrats would have to  be explaining their support for ANTIFA and BLM who took over cities, burnt down buildings and created no go zones. Because if the Republicans had won this riotous attack on democracy would be the subject of a very different  show trial. Any true  Democrat would be embarrassed by the hypocrisy of this trial whilst ignoring the summer of destruction.

[candide]

7 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The outrage and show trial all looks a bit fake. Honestly- you could  expect similar  violence in England when United play Liverpool away or the Derby between City and United. If this rowdy demonstration hadn't happened perhaps the Democrats would have to  be explaining their support for ANTIFA and BLM who took over cities, burnt down buildings and created no go zones. Because if the Republicans had won this riotous attack on democracy would be the subject of a very different  show trial. Any true  Democrat would be embarrassed by the hypocrisy of this trial whilst ignoring the summer of destruction.

Testimonies under oath (mainly by Republicans) were not fake. Phone records, electronic messages, etc.. were not fake. Only the fake electors were fake in the provided lists.

 

The hearings have been very well scenarized, It's true. So what?

 

The rest of your post is the usual lame false equivalency.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Braking windows is better than braking heads? And are you sure they were Trump supporters?

Who do you think they were? BLM supporters? ANTIFA?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't they just march into the building and take selfies?  You really thing they were going to lynch politicians or overthrow the government?  Or that they believed that either was actually within their power?

 

More likely, they had seen the left-wing have their fun and get away with it, and they wanted to have a turn.

 

Think about it.  The far-left, backed by the left-wing government, went on a rampage and attacked businesses and the police, which could be considered to be something that conservatives consider to be more their space.  So the conservatives went on their own little fun expedition into left-wing territory.

 

If the left-wing is allowed to do that, why can't the right?

It was definitely within their power and yes they intended to assassinate Joe Biden. Nobody storms the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as a joke.

 

You think the fascist cretins went to the Capitol purely as an act of revenge for the abjectly false claim that BLM rioters weren't charged and convicted after the George Floyd riots?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, vandeventer said:

Braking windows is better than braking heads? And are you sure they were Trump supporters?

The Trump insurrectionists didn't break heads?

[The Hammer2021]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

Testimonies under oath (mainly by Republicans) were not fake. Phone records, electronic messages, etc.. were not fake. Only the fake electors were fake in the provided lists.

 

The hearings have been very well scenarized, It's true. So what?

 

The rest of your post is the usual lame false equivalency.

The outrage looks fake in comparison to just ignoring the real chaos and destruction caused by other groups. It's a show trial designed to neutralise Trump whilst ignoring the the real damage to democracy carried out by mobs burning  looting and destroying local  government  building and police stations. That's why it looks fake. The double standards stink. Its not a real trial- it's a one sided performance.

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The outrage looks fake in comparison to just ignoring the real chaos and destruction caused by other groups. It's a show trial designed to neutralise Trump whilst ignoring the the real damage to democracy carried out by mobs burning  looting and destroying local  government  building and police stations. That's why it looks fake. The double standards stink. Its not a real trial- it's a one sided performance.

I think it's time to cut this false narrative that rioters after the George Floyd murder weren't pursued and charge by the police to the fullest extent possible. The misinformation being peddled on this board is toxic.

 

An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.

 

“The property damage or accusations of arson and looting from last year, those were serious and they were dealt with seriously, but they weren’t an attack on the very core constitutional processes that we rely on in a democracy, nor were they an attack on the United States Congress,” said Kent Greenfield, a professor at Boston College Law School.

 

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Edited July 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The outrage and show trial all looks a bit fake. Honestly- you could  expect similar  violence in England when United play Liverpool away or the Derby between City and United. If this rowdy demonstration hadn't happened perhaps the Democrats would have to  be explaining their support for ANTIFA and BLM who took over cities, burnt down buildings and created no go zones. Because if the Republicans had won this riotous attack on democracy would be the subject of a very different  show trial. Any true  Democrat would be embarrassed by the hypocrisy of this trial whilst ignoring the summer of destruction.

Says a lot when you try to compare two opposing teams of supporters in an English football match with a screaming mob of extremist rioters armed and out for Pence's head for a lynching. At least their leader Enrique Tarrio has been charged with seditious conspiracy and New Zealand have been sensible to classify them as a terror group.

Edited July 24, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[candide]

3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

The outrage looks fake in comparison to just ignoring the real chaos and destruction caused by other groups. It's a show trial designed to neutralise Trump whilst ignoring the the real damage to democracy carried out by mobs burning  looting and destroying local  government  building and police stations. That's why it looks fake. The double standards stink. Its not a real trial- it's a one sided performance.

This is becoming pathetic....

[Hanaguma]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

It speaks volumes about you that you consider an attack on the Capitol while Congress was certifying the Presidential election results as nothing.

 

The volumes begin with "Clearly not a patriot."

It looked to me like a case of, when a dog chases a car it never thinks that it would actually catch it. Then it DOES catch the car- what to do now?   Something in me sees the demonstrators being a bit, well, surprised that they could actually get into the Capitol so easily. That is why so many of them were standing around with dumb looks on their faces, as if to say, "wait a minute, are we really HERE?"

 

Plus one big element was missing if this was actually a planned coup attempt- guns. In a country of 400 million guns, a group of right wingers (who are always stereotyped as gun owners) somehow forgot to bring their weapons to a coup.  The only guns on scene were the police. The only person shot was an unarmed protester. 

 

You can't have it both ways. You can't say both that this was a planned insurrection and also that the insurrectionists failed to pack heat.  The two don't go together.

[Credo]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It looked to me like a case of, when a dog chases a car it never thinks that it would actually catch it. Then it DOES catch the car- what to do now?   Something in me sees the demonstrators being a bit, well, surprised that they could actually get into the Capitol so easily. That is why so many of them were standing around with dumb looks on their faces, as if to say, "wait a minute, are we really HERE?"

 

Plus one big element was missing if this was actually a planned coup attempt- guns. In a country of 400 million guns, a group of right wingers (who are always stereotyped as gun owners) somehow forgot to bring their weapons to a coup.  The only guns on scene were the police. The only person shot was an unarmed protester. 

 

You can't have it both ways. You can't say both that this was a planned insurrection and also that the insurrectionists failed to pack heat.  The two don't go together.

Oh there were weapons and there were guns.  Most of the guns were off-site but ready for action.  Several rioters had firearms and dozens more wielded knives, bats and other real and makeshift weapons.  Some were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds while others stashed them nearby

 

Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was found with multiple weapons in his vehicle and on his person. Coffman’s truck, which he had parked in the vicinity of the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6, was packed with weaponry, including a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun, each loaded, according to court documents. In addition, the truck held hundreds of rounds of ammunition, several large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage smoke devices, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails. 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7621149001/

 

During Trump's speech, there were several people spotted by police with AR style rifles in the trees near the speech.  Trump was aware of it and wanted them to be allowed into the speech.  Secret Service would not permit them to enter the Ellipse.

 

 

[candide]

26 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It looked to me like a case of, when a dog chases a car it never thinks that it would actually catch it. Then it DOES catch the car- what to do now?   Something in me sees the demonstrators being a bit, well, surprised that they could actually get into the Capitol so easily. That is why so many of them were standing around with dumb looks on their faces, as if to say, "wait a minute, are we really HERE?"

 

Plus one big element was missing if this was actually a planned coup attempt- guns. In a country of 400 million guns, a group of right wingers (who are always stereotyped as gun owners) somehow forgot to bring their weapons to a coup.  The only guns on scene were the police. The only person shot was an unarmed protester. 

 

You can't have it both ways. You can't say both that this was a planned insurrection and also that the insurrectionists failed to pack heat.  The two don't go together.

So someone who tries to rob a bank and fails should not be convicted?

[Hanaguma]

8 minutes ago, Credo said:

Oh there were weapons and there were guns.  Most of the guns were off-site but ready for action.  Several rioters had firearms and dozens more wielded knives, bats and other real and makeshift weapons.  Some were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds while others stashed them nearby

 

Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was found with multiple weapons in his vehicle and on his person. Coffman’s truck, which he had parked in the vicinity of the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6, was packed with weaponry, including a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun, each loaded, according to court documents. In addition, the truck held hundreds of rounds of ammunition, several large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage smoke devices, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails. 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/15/fact-check-were-firearms-other-weapons-capitol-jan-6/7"621149001/

 

During Trump's speech, there were several people spotted by police with AR style rifles in the trees near the speech.  Trump was aware of it and wanted them to be allowed into the speech.  Secret Service would not permit them to enter the Ellipse.

 

 

"Off site but ready for action" is an oxymoron.    Coffman never entered the Capitol Building. Two other men mentioned in your cited article also never entered the Capitol.  

 

So, three guys in the area had pistols.  The other 9,997 forgot them? Or was the government going to be overthrown by the presence of 3 guns in the general vicinity?

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

So someone who tries to rob a bank and fails should not be convicted?

Oh no, not at all. They all should be convicted of what they actually did. Vandalism, trespassing, anyone who assaulted a police officer should be charged too.  But this was hardly the storming of the Bastille.

[Credo]

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"Off site but ready for action" is an oxymoron.    Coffman never entered the Capitol Building. Two other men mentioned in your cited article also never entered the Capitol.  

 

So, three guys in the area had pistols.  The other 9,997 forgot them? Or was the government going to be overthrown by the presence of 3 guns in the general vicinity?

You said there were none.  You are wrong, there were.  Those guns were in a restricted area whether they entered the Capitol or not.  Again, you are simply wrong, stop trying to minimize it.  

 

But FBI spokesperson Carol Cratty told NPR that Sanborn was talking only specifically about arrests by the FBI, and not other police agencies that made arrests on the day of the riot — including arrests of people allegedly carrying guns.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Credo

[coolcarer]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"Off site but ready for action" is an oxymoron.    Coffman never entered the Capitol Building. Two other men mentioned in your cited article also never entered the Capitol.  

 

So, three guys in the area had pistols.  The other 9,997 forgot them? Or was the government going to be overthrown by the presence of 3 guns in the general vicinity?

They didn’t get to search all 9,997 did they. Anyway the numbers are going up, a fourth was charged on the 17 June with having a semi automatic handgun and a rifle. he belongs to the Three Percenters militia.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-firearm-guy-reffitt/