On 7/24/2022 at 11:28 AM, proton said:

Meanwhile liberal outlets ignore the whole country laughing at 'President' Biden ????

Trump said "Haiti is a “<deleted>hole” and that Representative Maxine Waters has a low IQ. These were not racist lies but uncouth, politically incorrect observations that most people would agree with but not dare say."

 

https://americanmind.org/salvo/trumps-virtues/

Time: 07:00 mark

 

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by lemmie

12 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Trump said "Haiti is a “<deleted>hole” and that Representative Maxine Waters has a low IQ. These were not racist lies but uncouth, politically incorrect observations that most people would agree with but not dare say."

 

https://americanmind.org/salvo/trumps-virtues/

Time: 07:00 mark

 

 

Trump and virtue in the same sentence! ????

48 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Do you really believe in opinion polls? For every opinion poll that says one thing, there is another poll saying the opposite.

 

First you start with the result that you want, you tailor the questions to suit the result and then you target your audience.

 

You want Trump to look good you ask one set of questions to one audience, or if you want Biden to look good, use different questions and a different audience.

Margin  of error plus or minus 3 pts still very bad.

 

If 10 polls are bad its bad

49 minutes ago, lemmie said:

Trump said "Haiti is a “<deleted>hole” and that Representative Maxine Waters has a low IQ. These were not racist lies but uncouth, politically incorrect observations that most people would agree with but not dare say."

 

https://americanmind.org/salvo/trumps-virtues/

Time: 07:00 mark

 

 

What you do is more important than hurty words for the ultra sensitive, and in that regard he has done for better than the joke in the White House now.

20 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Look at opinion polls

What does an allegation about how Biden is regarded have to do with Trump being booed at his rally? It's just an irrrelevant all-purpose taunt that can be trotted out for just about any political occasion. It's clear you don't understand what a deflection is.

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What does an allegation about how Biden is regarded have to do with Trump being booed at his rally? It's just an irrrelevant all-purpose taunt that can be trotted out for just about any political occasion. It's clear you don't understand what a deflection is.

2 major parties one guy gets booed the other least popular in 70 years.

 

Those are the facts. Up to you how to analyse it.

 

Pretty clear to me. 

9 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

2 major parties one guy gets booed the other least popular in 70 years.

 

Those are the facts. Up to you how to analyse it.

 

Pretty clear to me. 

 

Well what clear to me is that at this point in Trump's presidency when both the world economy on the whole and the American economy were doing well, Trump was only 3 points above Biden in popularity. Incumbents typically get blamed when the economy is troubled. What was Trump's excuse?

Sure make it interesting again if he's reelected! 

Just now, placeholder said:

 

Well what clear to me is that at this point in Trump's presidency when both the world economy on the whole and the American economy were doing well, Trump was only 3 points above Biden in popularity. Incumbents typically get blamed when the economy is troubled. What was Trump's excuse?

Personality issues. Now it's down to performance. If only voters focused on performance more they would get better leaders. Lots of women vote for "nice" guys. Ask them to name 5 policies they have no idea.

4 hours ago, proton said:

What you do is more important than hurty words for the ultra sensitive, and in that regard he has done for better than the joke in the White House now.

Really? You seem remarkably unacquainted with Biden's achievements. This one bill alone outdoes any achievements of Trump.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

"In terms of new spending, the law authorizes:

• $110 billion for construction, repair, and research for roads and bridges
• $66 billion to upgrade and maintain the country’s passenger and freight rail systems
• $65 billion to update power lines, prevent hacking of the power grid, and provide clean energy
• $65 billion to expand broadband in rural areas and in low-income communities
• $55 billion for lead pipe replacement, chemical cleanup, and clean drinking water in tribal communities
• $50+ billion to protect infrastructure from cybersecurity attacks and address flooding, wildfires, coastal erosion, and other extreme weather events
• $39 billion to upgrade public transit, create new bus routes, and increase accessibility for seniors and the disabled
• $25 billion for upgrades and expansions of U.S. airports, control towers, and control systems
• $21 billion to clean up superfund and brownfield sites, abandoned mines, and old oil and gas wells
• $17 billion for port infrastructure and truck emissions at ports
• $11 billion to address highway, pedestrian, pipeline, and other safety areas 
• $8 billion for Western water infrastructure, including mitigating drought conditions
• $7.5 billion for a nationwide network of electric vehicle charging stations
• $5 billion for electric school buses, primarily in low-income, rural, and tribal communities"

https://www.investopedia.com/infrastructure-investment-jobs-act-5209581

16 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Personality issues. Now it's down to performance. If only voters focused on performance more they would get better leaders. Lots of women vote for "nice" guys. Ask them to name 5 policies they have no idea.

Sure. Voters just loved Trump's attacks on Obamacare. And his lies about having a replacement ready to go. One that that distinguishes Trump supporters is how well informed they are. Like, you know, how the election was stolen. And these very same supporters who oppose big corporations and banks, supported a man who couldn't be a better friend to those institutions.. A president who appointed supreme court justices very friendly to the interests of business and very unfriendly to workers. And who cut antitrust enforcement by 2/3.   . Also thanks for the ridiculous sexist comment. More Trump supporters are men than women. 

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really? You seem remarkably unacquainted with Biden's achievements. This one bill alone outdoes any achievements of Trump.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

"In terms of new spending, the law authorizes:

• $110 billion for construction, repair, and research for roads and bridges
• $66 billion to upgrade and maintain the country’s passenger and freight rail systems
• $65 billion to update power lines, prevent hacking of the power grid, and provide clean energy
• $65 billion to expand broadband in rural areas and in low-income communities
• $55 billion for lead pipe replacement, chemical cleanup, and clean drinking water in tribal communities
• $50+ billion to protect infrastructure from cybersecurity attacks and address flooding, wildfires, coastal erosion, and other extreme weather events
• $39 billion to upgrade public transit, create new bus routes, and increase accessibility for seniors and the disabled
• $25 billion for upgrades and expansions of U.S. airports, control towers, and control systems
• $21 billion to clean up superfund and brownfield sites, abandoned mines, and old oil and gas wells
• $17 billion for port infrastructure and truck emissions at ports
• $11 billion to address highway, pedestrian, pipeline, and other safety areas 
• $8 billion for Western water infrastructure, including mitigating drought conditions
• $7.5 billion for a nationwide network of electric vehicle charging stations
• $5 billion for electric school buses, primarily in low-income, rural, and tribal communities"

https://www.investopedia.com/infrastructure-investment-jobs-act-5209581

This act could be called the "blue collars" act.

 

It was time a President cared about them and about the real economy. A big change from Trump who only cared about financial markets, as examplified by his tax cuts for the rich and for businesses, which have been mainly used for buying stocks.

Edited July 27, 20223 yr by candide

22 hours ago, placeholder said:

Really? You seem remarkably unacquainted with Biden's achievements. This one bill alone outdoes any achievements of Trump.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act

"In terms of new spending, the law authorizes:

• $110 billion for construction, repair, and research for roads and bridges
• $66 billion to upgrade and maintain the country’s passenger and freight rail systems
• $65 billion to update power lines, prevent hacking of the power grid, and provide clean energy
• $65 billion to expand broadband in rural areas and in low-income communities
• $55 billion for lead pipe replacement, chemical cleanup, and clean drinking water in tribal communities
• $50+ billion to protect infrastructure from cybersecurity attacks and address flooding, wildfires, coastal erosion, and other extreme weather events
• $39 billion to upgrade public transit, create new bus routes, and increase accessibility for seniors and the disabled
• $25 billion for upgrades and expansions of U.S. airports, control towers, and control systems
• $21 billion to clean up superfund and brownfield sites, abandoned mines, and old oil and gas wells
• $17 billion for port infrastructure and truck emissions at ports
• $11 billion to address highway, pedestrian, pipeline, and other safety areas 
• $8 billion for Western water infrastructure, including mitigating drought conditions
• $7.5 billion for a nationwide network of electric vehicle charging stations
• $5 billion for electric school buses, primarily in low-income, rural, and tribal communities"

https://www.investopedia.com/infrastructure-investment-jobs-act-5209581

Looks like Biden has led the USA into a recession, don't recall Trump doing that. Bidens spending plans seem rather desperate, any fool can spend vast amount of other people's money.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057997/Recession-economy-shrinks-second-straight-quarter.html

8 minutes ago, proton said:

Looks like Biden has led the USA into a recession, don't recall Trump doing that. Bidens spending plans seem rather desperate, any fool can spend vast amount of other people's money.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057997/Recession-economy-shrinks-second-straight-quarter.html

It seems you have a faulty memory:

 

Trump took office at the height of the longest economic expansion in American history. The 128-month (10.7-year) economic expansion that began in June 2009 abruptly ended at a peak in February 2020, with the U.S. entering a recession.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration

 

24 minutes ago, proton said:

Looks like Biden has led the USA into a recession, don't recall Trump doing that. Bidens spending plans seem rather desperate, any fool can spend vast amount of other people's money.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057997/Recession-economy-shrinks-second-straight-quarter.html

The world economy is in trouble now because of many factors, including covid and the war in ukraine. Is Biden responsible for that, too? And it's a very strange recession, if that's what it is, with unemployment at near record low levels. And the latest bill, if it passes, will actually raise more in revenue than it spends. About 300 billion more.

Trump should be booed at every public appearance. 

 

It has been made indisputably clear that when he was POTUS he did nothing to help when a mob of his supporters were attacking the Capitol.  He just watched the show on television.

 

Anyone who supports him is no patriot or democrat.  (Note that is a small "d" democrat, as in one who supports democracy.

On 7/25/2022 at 6:59 PM, Phoenix Rising said:

With some notable exceptions:

 

Fox News anchor Bret Baier slams Trump, saying January 6 hearings made him look 'horrific'

Exception.

On 7/25/2022 at 7:11 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

The DoJ has requested and has received transcripts if all testimony given under oath to the J6 Hearings.

 

Now for what rational reasons might they collect this testimony?

Toilet paper supply chain issues.

On 7/28/2022 at 9:48 PM, Credo said:

It seems you have a faulty memory:

 

Trump took office at the height of the longest economic expansion in American history. The 128-month (10.7-year) economic expansion that began in June 2009 abruptly ended at a peak in February 2020, with the U.S. entering a recession.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration

 

In February 2020 the U.S. entered the Covid period.

 

The true recession started yesterday.

On 7/28/2022 at 10:04 PM, placeholder said:

The world economy is in trouble now because of many factors, including covid and the war in ukraine. Is Biden responsible for that, too? And it's a very strange recession, if that's what it is, with unemployment at near record low levels. And the latest bill, if it passes, will actually raise more in revenue than it spends. About 300 billion more.

Unemployment at near record low levels that are largely due to a low labor force participation. 

 

 

 

 

.

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Unemployment at near record low levels that are largely due to a low labor force participation. 

 

 

 

 

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Nonsense. You have anything to back that up?  I've got news for you. The reason that the labor force participation rate isn't a reliable way to gauge unemployment is that it includes every citizen aged 16 and up with the exception of members of the military, nursing home residents, people in mental hospitals, and people in prison. So a 90 year old qualifies to be a member of the labor force. As the American population ages the labor force participation will ultimately continue to decline although it is currently rising as employment recovers from the Covid recession. That's why the unemployment rate is based on those who are actively seeking work.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

 

Here's the total number of Americans employed

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

 

And here's the unemployment rate:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nonsense. You have anything to back that up?  I've got news for you. The reason that the labor force participation rate isn't a reliable way to gauge unemployment is that it includes every citizen aged 16 and up with the exception of members of the military, nursing home residents, people in mental hospitals, and people in prison. So a 90 year old qualifies to be a member of the labor force. As the American population ages the labor force participation will ultimately continue to decline although it is currently rising as employment recovers from the Covid recession. That's why the unemployment rate is based on those who are actively seeking work.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

 

Here's the total number of Americans employed

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

 

And here's the unemployment rate:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

The way they work it out doesn't matter much if people that have recently worked suddenly stop job searching then they wont be counted in the labor force or as being unemployed. 

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The way they work it out doesn't matter much if people that have recently worked suddenly stop job searching then they wont be counted in the labor force or as being unemployed. 

That's the way it's always been. And as the chart show, the labor participation rate is increasing. And the fact is that employers are having a hard time finding workers. Lots of jobs are going unfilled. So I don't know where you get the idea that there's a problem with discouraged workers?

 

Payrolls increased 372,000 in June, more than expected, as jobs market defies recession fears

Job growth accelerated at a much faster pace than expected in June, indicating that the main pillar of the U.S. economy remains strong despite pockets of weakness.

Nonfarm payrolls increased 372,000 in the month, better than the 250,000 Dow Jones estimate and continuing what has been a strong year for job growth, according to data Friday from the Bureau of Labor Statistics...

 An alternative measure of unemployment that includes discouraged workers and those holding part-time jobs for economic reasons fell sharply, dropping to 6.7% from 7.1%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/08/jobs-report-june-2022-.html

Lowest level boos I've never heard.

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The way they work it out doesn't matter much if people that have recently worked suddenly stop job searching then they wont be counted in the labor force or as being unemployed. 

Why did they stop (not suddenly as you claim, it was during the Covid 19 pandemic) job searching?

On 7/27/2022 at 6:07 PM, Sparktrader said:

2 major parties one guy gets booed the other least popular in 70 years.

 

Those are the facts. Up to you how to analyse it.

 

Pretty clear to me. 

2 major parties. One sore loser lost elections by a landslide. The other won and painfully tries to fix the mess left by the sore (+liar, cheat and traitor) loser.

7 hours ago, candide said:

2 major parties. One sore loser lost elections by a landslide. The other won and painfully tries to fix the mess left by the sore (+liar, cheat and traitor) loser.

The mess was created by the later. Even Obama says Joe is no good.

On 7/27/2022 at 11:07 PM, Sparktrader said:

2 major parties one guy gets booed the other least popular in 70 years.

 

Those are the facts. Up to you how to analyse it.

 

Pretty clear to me. 

Here's some more facts, even without covid:

 

Donald Trump’s six-month approval rating lowest of any US president in 70 years

 

Historically, it has usually taken American presidents months, if not years, to reach a majority disapproval rating.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trumps-sixmonth-approval-rating-lowest-of-any-us-president-in-70-years/news-story/13deaf0261b45196e2c3b571854b1397

 

9 hours ago, candide said:

Why did they stop (not suddenly as you claim, it was during the Covid 19 pandemic) job searching?

It was relatively sudden, historically.

 

Boomers retiring early / People swapping jobs like sweeties as better wages are offered all the time to lure workers / Covid handouts and general laziness after being off for so long. 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here's some more facts, even without covid:

 

Donald Trump’s six-month approval rating lowest of any US president in 70 years

 

Historically, it has usually taken American presidents months, if not years, to reach a majority disapproval rating.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/donald-trumps-sixmonth-approval-rating-lowest-of-any-us-president-in-70-years/news-story/13deaf0261b45196e2c3b571854b1397

 

A four year-old, ABC/WP poll selected to show Trump's lowest approval point in his 4 years. Facts! ????

 

Look at the bigger picture.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/donald-trump-s-presidency-was-roller-coaster-his-approval-ratings-n1255360

 

And Joe's just keeps on going......down.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-approval-rating-worse-donald-trump-this-stage-presidency-midterms-1720688