Truss surges ahead, wins key backers in U.K. leadership race for prime minister

[Kwasaki]

37 minutes ago, transam said:

So you keep saying....Every day.......????

That's what the crystal ball says every day. ????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

That's what the crystal ball says every day. ????

Think that's what The Guardian actually uses....????

[Kwasaki]

34 minutes ago, transam said:

Think that's what The Guardian actually uses....????

It looks like Truss will get in and as I have said before the sooner the better who ever it is, the UK has gone down the pan along with the western world.

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, transam said:

 

 

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

 

 

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

1. Why should I tell you where I read

In order to balance and deepen the discussion. It's pretty clear that you consider the vast majority of sources - which I and some others quote - to have a left-wing bias. It's an opportunity for you to counter that and offer us a different perspective.

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

 

, am not one of your lefty's.

Many 'lefties' wouldn't consider me to be part of their tribe.

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

2. You are more interested in me....????....than the topic of two in a race for PM.

Absolutely. I've become obsessed with a middle-aged man 7,000 miles away. Apologies for any distress caused. I'll try to control myself, sweetheart❤️ (oops, sorry)

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

3. Well done......

Thank you. Err ..... for what?

[RayC]

4 hours ago, transam said:

You mean, the media, to earn its wages, must try and trash someone to bolster the others chances to keep things going.

No I mean what I said in the original post.

 

The media - right, left and centre - have decided that Truss will become the next PM and therefore, for that reason, are concentrating their (finite)  resources on reporting and analysing her policies.

 

If the media have got it wrong and Sunak wins, then they will be left with egg on their face and there will be a hasty readjustment in their focus.

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

 

Sounds a bit "Cliff Richards" to me, but that's our modern world, eh. ????

????

 

4 hours ago, transam said:

I find it strange that your click are doing exactly the same thing here, nothing about Rishi...????

I don't have a clique.

 

See above for the reason for the focus being on Truss.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Who is in the lead now, Liz or Rishi.....?   ????

Sorry. Almost overlooked this post.

 

That'll be Liz.

 

Happy to help.

[transam]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

 

 

 

In order to balance and deepen the discussion. It's pretty clear that you consider the vast majority of sources - which I and some others quote - to have a left-wing bias. It's an opportunity for you to counter that and offer us a different perspective.

 

Many 'lefties' wouldn't consider me to be part of their tribe.

 

Absolutely. I've become obsessed with a middle-aged man 7,000 miles away. Apologies for any distress caused. I'll try to control myself, sweetheart❤️ (oops, sorry)

 

Thank you. Err ..... for what?

1. Your crew 99% of the time use The Guardian, is that balanced....?????

2. You wear the wrong colour tie. 

3. No stress here, having a good day so far.

4. A sensible reply. ????

5. Thank you.....????

 

[RayC]

40 minutes ago, transam said:

1. Your crew 99% of the time use The Guardian, is that balanced....?????

I am not a member of a crew and I very seldom post links from The Guardian.

 

In any event, as I have repeated on numerous occasions, one way of countering this perceived left-wing bias would be for you to share your alternative sources with us; however, for reasons best known to yourself, you are unwilling and/or unable to do so.

 

40 minutes ago, transam said:

2. You wear the wrong colour tie. 

Again you are confusing me with someone else. I gave up wearing ties when I gave up going to the office.

 

40 minutes ago, transam said:

3. No stress here, having a good day so far.

Excellent. Pleased to hear that. Hope that it continues that way.

 

40 minutes ago, transam said:

4. A sensible reply. ????

Thank you (although it's unclear what you are referring to).

 

40 minutes ago, transam said:

5. Thank you.....????

 

You're welcome (although again, I'm unclear what you are referring to).

[transam]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

I am not a member of a crew and I very seldom post links from The Guardian.

 

In any event, as I have repeated on numerous occasions, one way of countering this perceived left-wing bias would be for you to share your alternative sources with us; however, for reasons best known to yourself, you are unwilling and/or unable to do so.

 

Again you are confusing me with someone else. I gave up wearing ties when I gave up going to the office.

 

Excellent. Pleased to hear that. Hope that it continues that way.

 

Thank you (although it's unclear what you are referring to).

 

You're welcome (although again, I'm unclear what you are referring to).

1. The crew 99% of the time use The Guardian, that cannot be disputed.

2. Tie, Boris wears a T-shirt off duty too.

3. Thank you.

4. That's OK.

5. That's OK.

6. Try spending a bit more time on the topic, don't want folk thinking you're....????....As I feel obliged to reply.....????....????

[Chomper Higgot]

I had early observed the new energy price cap would kick in a few short weeks after the newly selected PM takes office.

 

While that remains the case, the nation has just been given a heads up on what the new price cap will be. This is sure to get the attention of those already struggling to pay their bills, but an 80% increase, while making things worse for the poor, will drive very many more into poverty.

 

Somebody is going to need some new economic policies to deal with this:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/aug/26/ofgem-raises-energy-price-cap-to-3549

[RayC]

If you can believe the 'left wing' FT, it seems like one of the first acts by Liz as PM will be to further alienate the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/24b72bdc-7bda-4248-9708-7cbc3a4680a7

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62682448

 

Global Britain, indeed.

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

If you can believe the 'left wing' FT, it seems like one of the first acts by Liz as PM will be to further alienate the EU

 

https://www.ft.com/content/24b72bdc-7bda-4248-9708-7cbc3a4680a7

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62682448

 

Global Britain, indeed.

Its no secret and the UK and France have had quite a few disagreements recently and we aren't currently on the best of terms .

   Refreshing to see an honest Politician stating the truth , rather than the usual fake diplomacy 

[RayC]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its no secret and the UK and France have had quite a few disagreements recently and we aren't currently on the best of terms .

   Refreshing to see an honest Politician stating the truth , rather than the usual fake diplomacy 

Surely that's all the more reason to tread carefully, rather than indulge in some chest beating?

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, RayC said:

Surely that's all the more reason to tread carefully, rather than indulge in some chest beating?

Simply saying "the jurys out" is taking a neutral stance , rather than "chest beating" .

[RayC]

28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Simply saying "the jurys out" is taking a neutral stance , rather than "chest beating" .

Not in diplomatic speak it isn't.

 

And what about the threat to trigger Article 16? I accept that it is speculation, but the FT is a respected newspaper and I doubt that they would publish without having checked their sources.

 

Looks a lot like "chest beating" to me.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

Not in diplomatic speak it isn't.

 

And what about the threat to trigger Article 16? I accept that it is speculation, but the FT is a respected newspaper and I doubt that they would publish without having checked their sources.

 

Looks a lot like "chest beating" to me.

Yes, she MAY trigger Article 16 , that is the truth and the reality .

Its possible that She might do it . 

Would you prefer it if she lied and completely denied it might happen ?

Some people complained that Boris wasn't always truthful , now the same people are complaining that Liz is honest and tells the truth .

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, she MAY trigger Article 16 , that is the truth and the reality .

Its possible that She might do it . 

Would you prefer it if she lied and completely denied it might happen ?

Some people complained that Boris wasn't always truthful , now the same people are complaining that Liz is honest and tells the truth .

truss says whatever she thinks the audience wants to hear and then has her clarification squad clarify what she meant.

 

Her inability to actually explain her policies is why she has avoided interviews with the bbc and Andrew Neil on channel 4.
 

The opposition probably can’t believe their luck that the tory base is on course to elect her leader, if the polls are correct that is. 
 

She is unlikely to be a leader who will heal the open sores and divisions that this leadership campaign has exposed. 
 

#votetruss- promising without comprehending. 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, she MAY trigger Article 16 , that is the truth and the reality .

Its possible that She might do it . 

Once again, you are being pedantic. 'May' in this context is used to imply that she is considering triggering Article 16, otherwise it is effectively meaningless.

 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you prefer it if she lied and completely denied it might happen ?

She - or her team - could simply state that she is committed to continuing discussions with the EU and has no immediate plans to trigger Article 16

 

(Can we please avoid getting into a discussion about what is meant by 'immediate')

 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Some people complained that Boris wasn't always truthful , now the same people are complaining that Liz is honest and tells the truth .

I'd call it disingenuous rather than honest.

 

Her team have been quick enough to blame the media for what they can call 'misrepresentation' in the recent past. If there is no truth in this article, why don't they simply deny that this move is being considered by Truss?

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

truss says whatever she thinks the audience wants to hear and then has her clarification squad clarify what she meant.

 

Her inability to actually explain her policies is why she has avoided interviews with the bbc and Andrew Neil on channel 4.
 

The opposition probably can’t believe their luck that the tory base is on course to elect her leader, if the polls are correct that is. 
 

She is unlikely to be a leader who will heal the open sores and divisions that this leadership campaign has exposed. 
 

#votetruss- promising without comprehending. 

Liz has agreed to to an interview with the BBC on ..............................

 

 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Liz has agreed to to an interview with the BBC on ..............................

 

 

Doesn’t negate the fact she dodged one with them earlier in the campaign which sunak didn’t. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Doesn’t negate the fact she dodged one with them earlier in the campaign which sunak didn’t. 

This is a series of interviews called

"Our next Prime minister , the interviews" , where both Sunak and Truss are interviewed by the BBC at different times .

   Sunak was interviewed first a few weeks ago and now  its Trusses turn to be interviewed .

   Not "a dodge" just different interview dates 

[Bluespunk]

39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This is a series of interviews called

"Our next Prime minister , the interviews" , where both Sunak and Truss are interviewed by the BBC at different times .

   Sunak was interviewed first a few weeks ago and now  its Trusses turn to be interviewed .

   Not "a dodge" just different interview dates 

Nope. The bbc specifically invited her to an interview at the same time as sunak and she dodged it.

 

That she is now claiming she will attend this one once the campaign is nearly over does not change that. She avoided scrutiny of her tax cut blah blah blah at the earlier stage of the leadership campaign when it could have swayed the undecided in the tory base. 
 

And let us not forget she also dodged the Andrew Neil interview. 
 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/liz-truss-bashed-for-dodging-bbc-interview-with-nick-robinson-332061/amp/

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. The bbc specifically invited her to an interview at the same time as sunak and she dodged it.

 

That she is now claiming she will attend this one once the campaign is nearly over does not change that. She avoided scrutiny of her tax cut blah blah blah at the earlier stage of the leadership campaign when it could have swayed the undecided in the tory base. 
 

And let us not forget she also dodged the Andrew Neil interview. 
 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/liz-truss-bashed-for-dodging-bbc-interview-with-nick-robinson-332061/amp/

She was scheduling a time and a date for an interview , when she was available , that time and date has now been agreed upon 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She was scheduling a time and a date for an interview , when she was available , that time and date has now been agreed upon 

LOL- yeah right that’s why she waited so long…

 

#votetruss- promising without comprehending. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

45 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

LOL- yeah right that’s why she waited so long…

 

#votetruss- promising without comprehending. 

Two weeks is a reasonable amount of time to wait . 

Rather clever as well , having an interview closer to the voting date

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Two weeks is a reasonable amount of time to wait . 

Rather clever as well , having an interview closer to the voting date

Clever/ reasonable- nah.
 

Running scared more like it, she can’t explain her own policies without having “clarifications” put out the next day. It’s all tax cut blah blah blah without understanding. 
 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Clever/ reasonable- nah.
 

Running scared more like it, she can’t explain her own policies without having “clarifications” put out the next day. It’s all tax cut blah blah blah without understanding. 
 

 

Don't be too concerned, she will explain all in a few days in the BBC interview and hopefully she will get voted in as PM 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Don't be too concerned, she will explain all in a few days in the BBC interview and hopefully she will get voted in as PM 

No she won’t explain her policies, she can’t.
 

I’ve watched the hustings and truss has on a number of occasions proved unable to explain the minutiae of her tax cut blah blah blah and how it will resolve the current cost of living crisis. 
 

She does not understand her own policies and cannot respond when flaws in her “thinking” are pointed out. 
 

truss will be a gift to the opposition and if I were them I’d be praying the base vote her in. 

[Bluespunk]

“The Conservatives were in disarray over their response to the energy crisis on Friday, with some Tory MPs backing Liz Truss showing signs of jitters over her refusal to spell out how she would help households.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/26/liz-truss-tories-disarray-energy-crisis-urged-spell-out-plans-help?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Don't be too concerned, she will explain all in a few days in the BBC interview and hopefully she will get voted in as PM 

I believe that’s what the opposition are hoping too.