Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[Jingthing]

31 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Ain't gonna happen, they have it covered already. 

 

If something goes awry they blame the vermin that surround him.  Kellyanne leads the charge on that one with the book she put out a few months ago: he is the victim (but of course!) and the negative stuff is the fault of the bottom feeders attracted to him.

 

Myself, I can't get over how in his very first polling, a few days after the Day of the Descending Escalator, he was at app. 35% and has not gone below that since.  Consider the magic his announcement worked the moment he went from reality show buffoon to candidate.  In the future poli-sci students are going to continuously dissect that speech in search of clues.

 

 

Black swan.

[bendejo]

oops!

This is the Klepper vid I meant to post above:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs6mBh2uXRM

 

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory post removed.  

 

[heybruce]

I take everything in Russian media with a huge grain of salt, and I don't take the following as literally true.  Still, it is kind of funny:

 

"In the most recent broadcast of the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, host Vladimir Solovyov remarked: “I’m very worried for our agent Trump. They found everything at Mar-a-Lago, they got packages of documents. In all seriousness, they say he should be executed as a person that was ready to hand off nuclear secrets to Russia.”"   https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-world-declares-agent-trump-211215321.html

 

Later in the article it states that "Russian state media is stressing the need to influence Americans in the run-up to the midterms and the future presidential election."  It's very clear that Russia wants Trump back in the White House and will do whatever it can to make that happen.  It mentions Tucker Carlson and Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard as useful to that end.

 

Key point; Russia has, is, and will continue to interfere in US elections, and does so to help Donald Trump.  That doesn't mean Trump is colluding with Russia, but it does make me wonder how many of the pro-Trump posters are either Russian trolls or, more likely, useful idiots fed information by Russian trolls.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

35 pages and there are still people who think Trump is innocent.

 

I really wander what must happen before his diehard supporters admit that he did something seriously wrong, and he should be prosecuted.

 

I.e. if the documents would include details of current nuclear weapons, would that be important enough to prosecute him? Or was it still just a little mistake with all those papers? 

What must he do before many of his supporters wake up? 

 

They will not ‘wake up’, they are attached emotionally and psychologically.

 

Each newly exposed Trump outrage is a reason to double down.

 

Trump himself said it best, ‘I could shoot someone on fifth Avenue and not lose support’.

 

He meant it.

 

The investigation continues, tge extent of the damage to IS security had not even been addressed yet, when it is addressed his supporters will be in lock step with him regardless of whatever it is he has done.

[morrobay]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

If the only evidence there is is that someone says so, then that's not valid evidence at all. That's why such decisions by the President have to be memorialized.

Did you read that many layered entire link? Because it is more complicated than 'someone says so'. At this point unless there is something very concrete/specific showing something illegal like transferring sensitive material to the Saudis In a quid pro quo exchange with his son in law, Jared who received a "loan" from Saudi  Arabia - then this episode is going nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

35 pages and there are still people who think Trump is innocent.

 

I really wander what must happen before his diehard supporters admit that he did something seriously wrong, and he should be prosecuted.

 

I.e. if the documents would include details of current nuclear weapons, would that be important enough to prosecute him? Or was it still just a little mistake with all those papers? 

What must he do before many of his supporters wake up? 

 

 

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

I have personal experience working with classified, personal knowledge of how many important files are stored, and a typical amount of experience with cardboard boxes.  They're very widely used for storing documents.  Since your post seem to suggest that something was amiss because documents were kept in cardboard boxes, I can assure you that it is a common practice.

 

Do you have evidence or experience that indicates that classified documents are not stored in cardboard boxes?

But you don't know how they're stored at the White House. My point was it seems according to some that these docs were worth billions. If Trump was intent on taking TS docs and the inventory shows what a handful of docs were TS why was it necessary for Trump so take many boxes. Does that mean TS docs are kept with Confidential classified papers. Another words why aren't these TS papers kept together. 

 

You can keep Trump I could care less, but the sloppiness of White House security is in question.

 

 

[bendejo]

51 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I take everything in Russian media with a huge grain of salt, and I don't take the following as literally true.  Still, it is kind of funny:

 

"In the most recent broadcast of the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, host Vladimir Solovyov remarked: “I’m very worried for our agent Trump. They found everything at Mar-a-Lago, they got packages of documents. In all seriousness, they say he should be executed as a person that was ready to hand off nuclear secrets to Russia.”"   https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-world-declares-agent-trump-211215321.html

 

Later in the article it states that "Russian state media is stressing the need to influence Americans in the run-up to the midterms and the future presidential election."  It's very clear that Russia wants Trump back in the White House and will do whatever it can to make that happen.  It mentions Tucker Carlson and Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard as useful to that end.

 

Key point; Russia has, is, and will continue to interfere in US elections, and does so to help Donald Trump.  That doesn't mean Trump is colluding with Russia, but it does make me wonder how many of the pro-Trump posters are either Russian trolls or, more likely, useful idiots fed information by Russian trolls.

From the point view of someone who lived through 40 years of the Cold War, reading this is a clash sensibilities, like an alternate reality version of the time.  Russian (Soviet yes, but most Americans didn't say that) sympathizers in US Congress?  They'd have been skinned alive on the Senate floor!  And definitely bipartisan, there was still that WWII fighting spirit in pols.  It was supposed to be the commie-liberals antiwar bunch who were the traitors.  People on Russian tv referring to a former US president as an 'agent'?  You would be hearing the term "firing squad" pretty frequently. 

 

 

[pegman]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

35 pages and there are still people who think Trump is innocent.

 

I really wander what must happen before his diehard supporters admit that he did something seriously wrong, and he should be prosecuted.

 

I.e. if the documents would include details of current nuclear weapons, would that be important enough to prosecute him? Or was it still just a little mistake with all those papers? 

What must he do before many of his supporters wake up? 

 

I don't think they think Trump is innocent. They just don't care. Whether it's his persona or lack of personal correctness a certain segment of American society just like him and don't care what bad things he does. Their excuses for his actions are a form of trolling the rest of us. There is a antiestablishment way of looking at things that they have. A lot of American folk heroes were some of the most despicable  characters around. Bonnie and Clyde, Pretty Boy Floyd, Charles Lindbergh,  The James Gang, Billy the Kid, Wyatt E  and the like were terrible people but much beloved  by some people. Best to ignore them and let the good guys do what the law requires 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, pegman said:

I don't think they think Trump is innocent. They just don't care. Whether it's his persona or lack of personal correctness a certain segment of American society just like him and don't care what bad things he does. Their excuses for his actions are a form of trolling the rest of us. There is a antiestablishment way of looking at things that they have. A lot of American folk heroes were some of the most despicable  characters around. Bonnie and Clyde, Pretty Boy Floyd, Charles Lindbergh,  The James Gang, Billy the Kid, Wyatt E  and the like were terrible people but much beloved  by some people. Best to ignore them and let the good guys do what the law requires 

Quote "I don't think they think Trump is innocent. They just don't care."

 

Innocent of what? He has not been charged with anything so of course he's innocent. With every second that passes the likelyhood he will be charged with anything at all lessens further. That they returned his passports lessens the already tiny chance they will charge him.

 

 Looks more and more like a desperate political gambit. Hobble the man they know they can't beat in a fair election. But it isn't working out like they hoped, is it?!

[OneMoreFarang]

39 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Russian (Soviet yes, but most Americans didn't say that) sympathizers in US Congress?  They'd have been skinned alive on the Senate floor!

If they would be openly pro Russia and anti America then what you write is obviously correct.

But there are often many arguments pro and contra certain politics.

 

I.e. a senator wouldn't say: Reduce the weapons because Putin is such a nice guy. But he/she might say: We don't need more weapons. We could spend that money to save the trees or whatever. The result would be the same for Russia. Fewer weapons. And this is of course just one example of many possible scenarios. 

[pegman]

8 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Quote "I don't think they think Trump is innocent. They just don't care."

 

Innocent of what? He has not been charged with anything so of course he's innocent. With every second that passes the likelyhood he will be charged with anything at all lessens further. That they returned his passports lessens the already tiny chance they will charge him.

 

 Looks more and more like a desperate political gambit. Hobble the man they know they can't beat in a fair election. But it isn't working out like they hoped, is it?!

I believe the opposite. The more time that goes by the further the investigation uncovers facts pertaining to his crimes. This guy is going down and going down hard.

 

Only reason he won the first time was the moronic Democratic Party ran one of the most hated political figures in the country against him. Then he lost by millions of votes to Sleepy Joe of all people. 

[OneMoreFarang]

31 minutes ago, pegman said:

Best to ignore them and let the good guys do what the law requires 

In principle I like that idea.

But somehow it is difficult to ignore about 70 million people - many of them with guns.

[heybruce]

14 minutes ago, pegman said:

I believe the opposite. The more time that goes by the further the investigation uncovers facts pertaining to his crimes. This guy is going down and going down hard.

 

Only reason he won the first time was the moronic Democratic Party ran one of the most hated political figures in the country against him. Then he lost by millions of votes to Sleepy Joe of all people. 

Getting off-topic, but:

 

To the Democratic Party:   Please, please, please run a decent candidate next time.  Someone under 70, ok?

[pegman]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

In principle I like that idea.

But somehow it is difficult to ignore about 70 million people - many of them with guns.

I live 60 miles north of the country line and never cross it for that very reason

[Credo]

Trump is an intractable liar.  He says the government stole his passports.  Passports are the property of the government.  They don't belong to him.   

[newnative]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

35 pages and there are still people who think Trump is innocent.

 

I really wander what must happen before his diehard supporters admit that he did something seriously wrong, and he should be prosecuted.

 

I.e. if the documents would include details of current nuclear weapons, would that be important enough to prosecute him? Or was it still just a little mistake with all those papers? 

What must he do before many of his supporters wake up? 

 

     They're LCs.  Lost Causes.  No amount of evidence is ever going to change their minds.  Nothing Trump says or does, no matter how despicable, will dissuade them.  Trump, himself, said he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose support.  He's a serial liar but this one time he was, sadly, depressingly, and disgustingly, telling the truth, at least with the LCs.  

[newnative]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

They will not ‘wake up’, they are attached emotionally and psychologically.

 

Each newly exposed Trump outrage is a reason to double down.

 

Trump himself said it best, ‘I could shoot someone on fifth Avenue and not lose support’.

 

He meant it.

 

The investigation continues, tge extent of the damage to IS security had not even been addressed yet, when it is addressed his supporters will be in lock step with him regardless of whatever it is he has done.

Oops, typed my post before I saw yours with the 5th Avenue quote.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, morrobay said:

Did you read that many layered entire link? Because it is more complicated than 'someone says so'. At this point unless there is something very concrete/specific showing something illegal like transferring sensitive material to the Saudis In a quid pro quo exchange with his son in law, Jared who received a "loan" from Saudi  Arabia - then this episode is going nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

Ergo, why the investigation is still on-going, only fools believe there is nothing to see and if they had true evidence they would charge him now........all in time, all in time.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

But you don't know how they're stored at the White House. My point was it seems according to some that these docs were worth billions. If Trump was intent on taking TS docs and the inventory shows what a handful of docs were TS why was it necessary for Trump so take many boxes. Does that mean TS docs are kept with Confidential classified papers. Another words why aren't these TS papers kept together. 

 

You can keep Trump I could care less, but the sloppiness of White House security is in question.

 

 

You couldn't care less about Trump? Looking at your posts that is unbelievable.

And as usual shifting the blame. As president he took this, he is responsible.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

But you don't know how they're stored at the White House. My point was it seems according to some that these docs were worth billions. If Trump was intent on taking TS docs and the inventory shows what a handful of docs were TS why was it necessary for Trump so take many boxes. Does that mean TS docs are kept with Confidential classified papers. Another words why aren't these TS papers kept together. 

 

You can keep Trump I could care less, but the sloppiness of White House security is in question.

 

 

You could keep guessing all day and night and still not get it right.

 

None of us know anything about document security at the White House during Trump’s administration, we do know that he removed TC/SCI documents to Mar-a-Largo.

 

If you find anything certain on sloppy document security at the White House under Trump’s administration, so let us know, I for one would love to hear it.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Quote "I don't think they think Trump is innocent. They just don't care."

 

Innocent of what? He has not been charged with anything so of course he's innocent. With every second that passes the likelyhood he will be charged with anything at all lessens further. That they returned his passports lessens the already tiny chance they will charge him.

 

 Looks more and more like a desperate political gambit. Hobble the man they know they can't beat in a fair election. But it isn't working out like they hoped, is it?!

Not being charged with something is not the definition of being innocent.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Ergo, why the investigation is still on-going, only fools believe there is nothing to see and if they had true evidence they would charge him now........all in time, all in time.

They won't indict before the midterms. After that, it's coming.

[Eric Loh]

Cats may have 9 lives but I doubt he can wriggle out unscathed facing a total of 19 legal perils in which half are improper conduct during his Presidency. This 19 legal perils not even include his current legal exposure following the search warrant. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2022/feb/07/donald-trump-list-legal-cases

[Berkshire]

35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They won't indict before the midterms. After that, it's coming.

Used to think that.  But after the search warrant, not so sure anymore.  Trump isn't running in 2022, so AG Garland may have some wiggle room.  Because of his meticulous nature, he's going to make sure that every detail is covered.  Which means if Trump is indicted, the evidence will be irrefutable.   

[Walker88]

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

I don't think it suggests that he intended to monetize them. It's important to keep in mind that Trump is not entirely rational, to put it weakly. He is consumed with rage over his election loss. I mean, it's been 21 months and he still won't shut up about it.

While you are likely correct. I look at the totality of his adult life: there is NOTHING---from his name to his 'charity' that he did not try to monetize. Given that, I am led to believe he looked at secrets as a kind of 401K. We shall see.

 

What seems to have driven him in life---and helps explains his inability to accept his bludgeoning in the 2020 election---was that according to family and friends, his father always called him a "LOSER". That is why he is obsessed with that term. His own claims about his start in business are pure lies. He claims a 'small loan' from his father.

 

In point of fact---according to bank records---he was given a couple hundred thousand dollars a month 'allowance from the age of 3 until his father died. He also 'inherited' $412 million from his father's estate. Also, every bank loan he got from US banks---back when they still loaned him money---was co-signed by his father. He did nothing on his own.

 

Despite all of that---hundreds of millions of cash inflow---he declared six bankruptcies, and in casinos of all things (plus The Plaza Hotel). People come to casinos to lose money, yet he found a way to bankrupt casinos 6 times. That demonstrates an extraordinary lack of business skill. When his father still lived, 45 had to listen to his dad calling him a LOSER re the bankruptcies, plus all of his other shuttered businesses like his airline, travel agency, USFL team, steaks, water, and his failed university where 'students' sued him and won.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Maybe you need to try being civil rather than snarky.

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[Walker88]

Liz Cheney gave an impassioned speech tonight about the threat to freedom and democracy that 45 represents. She ripped the fat guy a new one, saying real Americans should unite to make sure 45 never gets near the Oval Office ever again.

 

I think it would be entertaining for her to declare as a repub candidate for POTUS. Imagine the debates! She is clever enough to know how to goad him and call him out both on his contempt for the Constitution, his willful ignorance, and his abject weakness as a man. She would emasculate him on live TV. In fact, I bet he would refuse to go to a debate if Cheney were there. At his core he's a weakling and a coward, and in particular, strong women get him shaking in his tighty whities.

 

Remember the silliness in 2016 when he responded to comments about his really short fingers and what they suggested about his junk? That he felt it necessary to state on live TV in a US Presidential debate that 'women never complained about that thing' shows how insecure he is about his junk. When Stormy came out and said "Not freakishly small but well below average" he tried to silence her and press her on the NDA.

 

Cheney is clever enough to take the debate below the belt. She would slay him.

[Bkk Brian]

Opening headlines from the Washingtonpost

 

"Trump is rushing to hire seasoned lawyers—but keeps hearing ‘No’ His current legal team includes a Florida insurance lawyer who’s never had a federal case, a past general counsel for a parking-garage company & a former host at far-right One America News."

 

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1559744720057913344

 

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Liz Cheney gave an impassioned speech tonight about the threat to freedom and democracy that 45 represents. She ripped the fat guy a new one, saying real Americans should unite to make sure 45 never gets near the Oval Office ever again.

 

I think it would be entertaining for her to declare as a repub candidate for POTUS. Imagine the debates! She is clever enough to know how to goad him and call him out both on his contempt for the Constitution, his willful ignorance, and his abject weakness as a man. She would emasculate him on live TV. In fact, I bet he would refuse to go to a debate if Cheney were there. At his core he's a weakling and a coward, and in particular, strong women get him shaking in his tighty whities.

 

Remember the silliness in 2016 when he responded to comments about his really short fingers and what they suggested about his junk? That he felt it necessary to state on live TV in a US Presidential debate that 'women never complained about that thing' shows how insecure he is about his junk. When Stormy came out and said "Not freakishly small but well below average" he tried to silence her and press her on the NDA.

 

Cheney is clever enough to take the debate below the belt. She would slay him.

Now that she'll no longer be running for reelection, Liz Cheney will be free to give her unfiltered commentary on Trump non-stop.  She's going to be his worst nightmare.  And as a diehard conservative, many in the Republican party will be listening.  Should be interesting.