TallGuyJohninBKK Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 By my tally of official MoPH stats, about 950 people have died in Thailand FROM COVID in the past month (that's not "with" COVID--the Thai government stopped counting those many months back). That's a lot of dead people, mostly Thais, for a COVID disease that the prior poster claims generally has no symptoms. Daily COVID deaths for the past month per the Thai MoPH, starting with today's update and working back to July 25: https://ddc.moph.go.th/covid19-dashboard/?dashboard=30-days 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Earlier this year I was only aware of 1 person I know who had Covid, but in the last few months I'm aware of 5 "1st timers". One was unvaxxed, in the hospital for 10 days, thought she was dying. Edited August 24, 2022 by JimmyJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 A trolling post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyJ said: Earlier this year I was only aware of 1 person I know who had Covid, but in the last few months I'm aware of 5 "1st timers". One was unvaxxed, in the hospital for 10 days, thought she was dying. Are you suggesting the seriousness of her condition is due to the fact that she is not jabbed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 13 hours ago, JimmyJ said: Earlier this year I was only aware of 1 person I know who had Covid, but in the last few months I'm aware of 5 "1st timers". One was unvaxxed, in the hospital for 10 days, thought she was dying. Yes me too.... suddenly locking the gate and staying home seems necessary! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 A pair of trolling posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabang Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 8/24/2022 at 3:09 PM, JimmyJ said: Earlier this year I was only aware of 1 person I know who had Covid, but in the last few months I'm aware of 5 "1st timers". One was unvaxxed, in the hospital for 10 days, thought she was dying. I just had it for a second time and it was less than a mild cold, gone after 2 or 3 days. But people posting all those death rates from 2020 can not have any agenda, sure they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 5 hours ago, rabang said: I just had it for a second time and it was less than a mild cold, gone after 2 or 3 days. But people posting all those death rates from 2020 can not have any agenda, sure they can't. Did you test yourself after the 2 or 3 days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 On 8/24/2022 at 6:20 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said: By my tally of official MoPH stats, about 950 people have died in Thailand FROM COVID in the past month (that's not "with" COVID-- Where are your facts on all this "from covid not with covid" Here some facts for you, because you need them. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34929892/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabang Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyJ said: Did you test yourself after the 2 or 3 days? Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TallGuyJohninBKK Posted August 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, morrobay said: Where are your facts on all this "from covid not with covid" Here some facts for you, because you need them. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34929892/ The study you cite is pretty meaningless in the context of my prior mention about Thai deaths FROM COVID... Yes, lots of people who die from COVID have some other chronic condition(s). But, and this is the important part, those chronic conditions don't mean they were imminently going to die absent COVID.... Many, were it not for COVID, would have lived for years with their ongoing chronic conditions -- obesity, high blood pressure, etc etc. The main point on the issue here in Thailand is... the Thai Ministry of Public Health long ago significantly narrowed what they'll record as a death FROM COVID, leaving out all those who died WITH COVID from their official counts. So lately when the Thais report an official COVID death, there's little doubt that it occurred FROM COVID, regardless of the presence of comorbidities. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post morrobay Posted August 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: The study you cite is pretty meaningless in the context of my prior mention about Thai deaths FROM COVID... Yes, lots of people who die from COVID have some other chronic condition(s). But, and this is the important part, those chronic conditions don't mean they were imminently going to die absent COVID.... Many, were it not for COVID, would have lived for years with their ongoing chronic conditions -- obesity, high blood pressure, etc etc. The main point on the issue here in Thailand is... the Thai Ministry of Public Health long ago significantly narrowed what they'll record as a death FROM COVID, leaving out all those who died WITH COVID from their official counts. So lately when the Thais report an official COVID death, there's little doubt that it occurred FROM COVID, regardless of the presence of comorbidities. I'm surprised most of these people with comorbidities are still walking around. Sure serious flu and covid puts them in serious condition. Not following at all this this mumbo jumbo from the Thai ministry of public health your referring to. Most serious cases , deaths ,hospital care involve those with comorbidities. End of story. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-risk-90-patients-had-underlying-conditions/2962721001/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 12 hours ago, rabang said: I just had it for a second time and it was less than a mild cold, gone after 2 or 3 days. But people posting all those death rates from 2020 can not have any agenda, sure they can't. Did you have a sore throat as well? How do we distinguish between a common cold and this Covid cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, morrobay said: I'm surprised most of these people with comorbidities are still walking around. Sure serious flu and covid puts them in serious condition. Not following at all this this mumbo jumbo from the Thai ministry of public health your referring to. Most serious cases , deaths ,hospital care involve those with comorbidities. End of story. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-risk-90-patients-had-underlying-conditions/2962721001/ Yeah, it's funny how some people just can't let go. The denial is astonishing, especially from those who believed the promise of a "solution" which turned out not to be one. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: Yeah, it's funny how some people just can't let go. The denial is astonishing, especially from those who believed the promise of a "solution" which turned out not to be one. What solution was that.........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattlesnake Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, transam said: What solution was that.........? I'm sure you can figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: I'm sure you can figure it out. A true trolling antivaxxer, yet he says in other posts he is not. This answer says it all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: The study you cite is pretty meaningless in the context of my prior mention about Thai deaths FROM COVID... Yes, lots of people who die from COVID have some other chronic condition(s). But, and this is the important part, those chronic conditions don't mean they were imminently going to die absent COVID.... Many, were it not for COVID, would have lived for years with their ongoing chronic conditions -- obesity, high blood pressure, etc etc. The main point on the issue here in Thailand is... the Thai Ministry of Public Health long ago significantly narrowed what they'll record as a death FROM COVID, leaving out all those who died WITH COVID from their official counts. So lately when the Thais report an official COVID death, there's little doubt that it occurred FROM COVID, regardless of the presence of comorbidities. Some fail to see that most would be alive today had they not caught covid. Vaccine misinformation caused so many unnecessary deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rattlesnake Posted August 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: A true trolling antivaxxer, yet he says in other posts he is not. This answer says it all. I never claimed not to be an antivaxxer, as I'm perfectly happy with being called that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Some fail to see that most would be alive today had they not caught covid. Vaccine misinformation caused so many unnecessary deaths. And they would also be alive today if they were not obese, had kidney disease, diabetic, hypertension . All avoidable with a healthy lifestyle. Having said that: I'm sure the vaccines have saved lives in the comorbidities crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, morrobay said: And they would also be alive today if they were not obese, had kidney disease, diabetic, hypertension . All avoidable with a healthy lifestyle. Having said that: I'm sure the vaccines have saved lives in the comorbidities crowd. Not always avoidable with a healthy lifestyle, on that I beg to differ with you. You and a few others always miss the point that some are born with comorbidities, or it arose from a surgical procedure they may have had, ergo my in between Type 2 and Type 1 diabetes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, morrobay said: And they would also be alive today if they were not obese, had kidney disease, diabetic, hypertension . All avoidable with a healthy lifestyle. Having said that: I'm sure the vaccines have saved lives in the commodities crowd. Maybe, those with cancer can live a long time though as can those with heart conditions, asthma, HIV, Immunocompromised, Cystic fibrosis, kidney, liver, Pulmonary embolism, the list goes on and are all part of your "comorbidities crowd" as you put it through no fault of their own. Edited August 29, 2022 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 One thing we all have in common is illness: to be human is to get a chronic condition sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, EricTh said: Did you have a sore throat as well? How do we distinguish between a common cold and this Covid cold? I had it recently. One common tell-tale sign is a very harsh sore throat. For others it could be a fever. I would not describe it (for me) as a mild cold- no way! It was short lived though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, morrobay said: I'm surprised most of these people with comorbidities are still walking around. Sure serious flu and covid puts them in serious condition. Not following at all this this mumbo jumbo from the Thai ministry of public health your referring to. Most serious cases , deaths ,hospital care involve those with comorbidities. End of story. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-risk-90-patients-had-underlying-conditions/2962721001/ Not sure what point you're trying to argue... I already acknowledged that many deaths FROM COVID have involved people who had other health conditions. Hard for that not to be the case when obesity and high blood pressure are so common in society at large. No one's disputing that, AFAIK. But as for the deaths FROM COVID, those counted in the official COVID stats, they're still overwhelmingly FROM COVID... judged by the doctors involved to be because of COVID. Those people may have had other health conditions, but if they get listed as a COVID death, as a general rule, it's because it was COVID that ultimately caused their death... not the other conditions. That April 2020 USA Today article you're citing talks about all the various underlying health conditions, but nowhere does it claim those deaths were not BECAUSE of COVID. Edited August 29, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atpeace Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said: Not always avoidable with a healthy lifestyle, on that I beg to differ with you. You and a few others always miss the point that some are born with comorbidities, or it arose from a surgical procedure they may have had, ergo my in between Type 2 and Type 1 diabetes. Why didn't you state the above months ago. If I had type 1 diabetes my anxiety level would increase 20x. My opinion is based on evidence for the most part but I'm biased as we all are and as an extremely healthy individual Covid is a non-fatal issue. Sure, I might still get Covid and die but the the odds are minute IMO. I actually thought I was diabetic and bought a self test kit which I used for a month. I'm very active running trails and have tiny cuts all over my body. For a three month period this year they weren't healing and were disgusting. My Covid fear increased during this period but the test revealed I had good blood sugar levels and if anything on the low side. I eat too much sugar but I guess my exercise helps. Edited August 29, 2022 by onthedarkside personal comments to other forum member removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, atpeace said: Why didn't you state the above months ago. If I had type 1 diabetes my anxiety level would increase 20x. My opinion is based on evidence for the most part but I'm biased as we all are and as an extremely healthy individual Covid is a non-fatal issue. Sure, I might still get Covid and die but the the odds are minute IMO. I actually thought I was diabetic and bought a self test kit which I used for a month. I'm very active running trails and have tiny cuts all over my body. For a three month period this year they weren't healing and were disgusting. My Covid fear increased during this period but the test revealed I had good blood sugar levels and if anything on the low side. I eat too much sugar but I guess my exercise helps. I have never had any anxieties as I take proper care of myself, have an A1C of 5.2, and watch what I eat, put in over 35km's a week, not bed-ridden or locked in my home like you seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TallGuyJohninBKK Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, mommysboy said: One thing we all have in common is illness: to be human is to get a chronic condition sooner or later. More than two-thirds of the COVID deaths in the U.S. since the start of the pandemic have been in senior citizens. And it shouldn't surprise anyone that by the time people get into their 60s and beyond, they tend to have or have developed various health conditions. None of that takes away from the fact that too many of them ended up dying from COVID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 9 hours ago, rattlesnake said: Yeah, it's funny how some people just can't let go. The denial is astonishing, especially from those who believed the promise of a "solution" which turned out not to be one. Just leave these people ^ to their problems - because they got them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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