Enoch Powell, he wasnt wrong in his forecast !

[transam]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Powell's comments remain unchanged no matter where you or I were born.

No, you seem to know nothing about the bloke and his reasons for immigration control.

You live the other side of the world and call him racist scum, yet I and millions of others who actually live in the UK know and understand his thoughts.

Spend more time sorting the Aborigine apologies thing out in your own country, instead of calling UK MP's scum....????

[NanLaew]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is domestic water supply in India on topic now?

You wouldn't understand, move on...

Swim @transam! Swim!!!

[NanLaew]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

No, you seem to know nothing about the bloke and his reasons for immigration control.

You live the other side of the world and call him racist scum, yet I and millions of others who actually live in the UK know and understand his thoughts.

Spend more time sorting the Aborigine apologies thing out in your own country, instead of calling UK MP's scum....????

Oh... So you living in the UK now @transam?

 

That's an awful long swim.

Edited September 4, 2022 by NanLaew

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

No, you seem to know nothing about the bloke and his reasons for immigration control.

You live the other side of the world and call him racist scum, yet I and millions of others who actually live in the UK know and understand his thoughts.

Spend more time sorting the Aborigine apologies thing out in your own country, instead of calling UK MP's scum....????

Cut the ad hominems.

 

His EXACT words were "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".

 

This is blatantly racist, inexcusable and vile. Anybody who thinks is person is anything other than loathsome, despicable scum should be worried about some of it rubbing off on them. I read the same English as you do, probably better.

Edited September 4, 2022 by ozimoron

[transam]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Oh... So you living in the UK now @transam?

 

That's an awful long swim.

Sorry, I forgot you were reading, would you like me to write it again for you......?  ????

[MrMuddle]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Was Powell also a vile human being?

If all you're going to do is offer deflections, you can join the ignore list. 

Edited September 4, 2022 by MrMuddle

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, MrMuddle said:

If all you're going to do is offer deflections, you can join the ignore list. 

A deflection? Isn't this topic about Powell? Why not answer, do you think he was or not?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Cut the ad hominems.

 

His EXACT words were "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".

 

This is blatantly racist, inexcusable and vile. Anybody who thinks is person is anything other then loathsome, despicable scum should be worried about some of it rubbing off on them. I read the same English as you do, probably better.

As you know all about Enoch, cos you read it in Auss, can you tell me what of any of Enoch's thoughts were put into UK immigration law...?

Your forefathers' treatment of the Aborigine was racist, inexcusable, vile, loathsome, despicable, they were treated like scum, that was REAL, big difference for the use of "your" words here........????

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, transam said:

As you know all about Enoch, cos you read it in Auss, can you tell me what of any of Enoch's thoughts were put into UK immigration law...?

Your forefathers' treatment of the Aborigine was racist, inexcusable, vile, loathsome, despicable, they were treated like scum, that was REAL, big difference for the use of "your" words here........????

 

I read Chaucer and Shakespeare as well in "Auss". ????

 

I already said they weren't put into law because he gave a racist rationale for recommending them. It's also why he never became PM and was instead sacked.

[transam]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

I read Chaucer and Shakespeare as well in "Auss". ????

 

I already said they weren't put into law because he gave a racist rationale for recommending them. It's also why he never became PM and was instead sacked.

Were they racist scum too.....?  ????

[ozimoron]

Just now, transam said:

Were they racist scum too.....?  ????

maybe better stop digging now...

[transam]

Just now, ozimoron said:

maybe better stop digging now...

At the time of Chaucer and William, there were some incredibly racist stuff going on, you name it, it happened, now let's here it for this pair...........????

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 9:57 AM, Kwasaki said:

Blood on the streets was one of his speech Les from memory.

Not exactly what he said but, in practice, absolutely accurate.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 11:33 AM, userabcd said:

On 9/1/2022 at 8:54 AM, proton said:

One of the most intelligent people to ever sit in the commons.

Does not require much intelligence to be a politician, the world over.

It takes a massive amount of intelligence to be a politician of Powell's repute.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 12:10 PM, placeholder said:

His prediction was that there would be rivers of blood and the black man would hold the whip hand over the white man.

Not exactly, you're embellishing his views in that speech quite a lot.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 1:15 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

He was a despicable man.

He was an admirable genius and the majority of the UK at the time agreed with him.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 1:33 PM, Excel said:

Please stay with the threads specific subject matter.

Jesus...you're a Moderator now?    Congratulations.

 

The thread is about Enoch Powell and, obviously, anything associated to him or his views.  Your interpretation of the OP is not the only valid one.

[placeholder]

This is a line from Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood Speech"

"When she goes to the shops, she is followed by children, charming, wide-grinning piccaninnies."

[Liverpool Lou]

On 9/1/2022 at 12:49 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

he was a racist

So much of a racist that he wanted to be posted to, and remain in India, and, later, learned Urdu (one of fourteen foreign languages that he spoke) in order to be able to speak to his Indian-born constituents in their own language.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So much of a racist that he wanted to be posted to, and remain in India, and, later, learned Urdu (one of fourteen foreign languages that he spoke) in order to be able to speak to his Indian-born constituents in their own language.

Non sequiter. Plenty of Causcasians live in Thailand as well. it doesn't mean they aren't racist.

[placeholder]

16 hours ago, proton said:

You appear, like most whining about his speech, not to have read it. It neither mentions 1991 or that there would be rivers of blood in the UK. He mentions a classical quote of the river TIBER flowing with much blood, implying troubled times and anguish, not armed insurrection on our streets. 

 

https://anth1001.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/enoch-powell_speech.pdf

Actually, it turns out that the Rivers of Blood citation comes from the Aeneid where the prophetess predicts Civil War. So, I think that definitively establishes what Powell's intent was.

“As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding,” Powell said, and “like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”—a classical allusion to the Sybil’s prophecy of civil war in the Aeneid."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/what-enoch-powell-got-right-and-wrong-15854.html

[Bruno123]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Non sequiter. Plenty of Causcasians live in Thailand as well. it doesn't mean they aren't racist.

 

This.

[Liverpool Lou]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Non sequiter. Plenty of Causcasians live in Thailand as well. it doesn't mean they aren't racist.

What?    What has your non sequitur, "Caucasians" in Thailand, got to do with this?

[Chomper Higgot]

41 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He was an admirable genius and the majority of the UK at the time agreed with him.

He was a racist. 

 

If the majority agreed with him, how come his racist remarks ended his career?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He was a racist. 

 

If the majority agreed with him, how come his racist remarks ended his career?

this will be good. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

So much of a racist that he wanted to be posted to, and remain in India, and, later, learned Urdu (one of fourteen foreign languages that he spoke) in order to be able to speak to his Indian-born constituents in their own language.

Does that somehow cancel out his use of racism in an attempt to further his own political ambitions.

 

As I said early on in this thread, Powell parked his intellect, his education and his military experience when he took to racism to further his own political ambitions.

 

His racism is all the worse coming from a man who had the intellectual gifts and experience to know exactly what fire he was playing with.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, it turns out that the Rivers of Blood citation comes from the Aeneid where the prophetess predicts Civil War. So, I think that definitively establishes what Powell's intent was.

“As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding,” Powell said, and “like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood”—a classical allusion to the Sybil’s prophecy of civil war in the Aeneid."

https://www.city-journal.org/html/what-enoch-powell-got-right-and-wrong-15854.html

Not the first educated man to twist his education in to the service of promoting hatred.

 

Nor sadly the last.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What?    What has your non sequitur, "Caucasians" in Thailand, got to do with this?

That wasn’t a non sequitur.

 

Take your mistake as a learning opportunity.

[MrMuddle]

Powell was wrong in that he used "the black man" as an example, in fact it is muslims who have become the problem in Britain. They groom young vulnerable white girls, then give them drink and drugs before many muslim men abuse them. This is documented fact, though the BBC, and the politicians, particularly the Labour Party, seem to want to keep it quiet. Perhaps Labour are afraid that if they confront the problem, then they will lose the muslim vote. There has been several documentaries made about this problem, put "the rochdale grooming scandal" into the search bar on Youtube, there are plenty of examples there. This abuse has been going on in towns in England for decades, yet very little is done to stop it, indeed when a Labour MP tried to raise this, she was accused of racism, which is of course ridiculous, as muslims come in all colours. What is noticable is that the majority of these grooming gangs are of pakistani or bangla deshi origin, with very few white participants, (see the attached photo of convicted child grooming gangs).
 

Edited September 4, 2022 by MrMuddle
spelling & punctuation, and added information for clarity

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, MrMuddle said:

If all you're going to do is offer deflections, you can join the ignore list. 

The forum ignore list. The last redoubt of the feeble.

 

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It takes a massive amount of intelligence to be a politician of Powell's repute.

Oh look! Here's Johnny come Lately.

 

You're skipping classes. We wrapped up the "intelligence debate" around page 12 already but we're happy to doggy paddle for a spell so that some other members can keep up.