FBI found more than 11,000 government records at Trump's Florida home

[billd766]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, they seem to think Trump's family are fair game for their vile accusations. Could be because no charges have yet occurred, despite being quite some time. Surely it can't be another "nothing there burger"? LOL.

Would that also apply to Hilary Clinton who was investigated and nothing was found?

 

Surely it can't be another "nothing there burger"? LOL.

 

 

[billd766]

9 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Empty folders!

Pieces of cardboard

 

It seems they got nothing

If they got nothing where did the empty folders come from?

 

It seems like they actually found folders with nothing in them.

 

So where did the folder contents go to?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

If they got nothing where did the empty folders come from?

 

It seems like they actually found folders with nothing in them.

 

So where did the folder contents go to?

And empty boxes. The FBI are wondering where all those documents could have gone. (CNN cable)

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

If they got nothing where did the empty folders come from?

 

It seems like they actually found folders with nothing in them.

 

So where did the folder contents go to?

He had already given those files/content back to the FBI and thats why the folders were empty ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He had already given those files/content back to the FBI and thats why the folders were empty ?

Are the FBI lying and faking photos of the evidence?

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Are the FBI lying and faking photos of the evidence?

No, the photos of the empty folders were genuine 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, the photos of the empty folders were genuine 

I meant lying about the rationale for a raid.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, ozimoron said:

I meant lying about the rationale for a raid.

I do not know, although the FBI have previously been caught lying in Court and prosecuted for lying to Court to obtain certain things 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do not know, although the FBI have previously been caught lying in Court and prosecuted for lying to Court to obtain certain things 

"The FBI"? Or individual officers?

[ChaiyaTH]

They found 11,000 documents and all were free to be taken or copied. So nothing came from it once again, poor Hillary.

[Hummin]

Seems like the most important question to be asked is: Who do we trust most? Trump or FBI?
 

Have Trump always told the truth? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

"The FBI"? Or individual officers?

Both .

Individual FBI officers working for the FBI

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Both .

Individual FBI officers working for the FBI

Including the FBI officially as an organisation? BS

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Including the FBI officially as an organisation? BS

It was the FBI lying to get a Judge to grant something . 

Could be they lied again to get a Trump search warrant ?

[ozimoron]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the FBI lying to get a Judge to grant something . 

Could be they lied again to get a Trump search warrant ?

Who was convicted of an offense there?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the FBI lying to get a Judge to grant something . 

Could be they lied again to get a Trump search warrant ?

Something?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Who was convicted of an offense there?

 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Something?

I'll do a websearch and find the details .

Once I have read all the links to my websearch, I will post the relevant information on here and give you the links .

   I'll be back soon 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

I'll do a websearch and find the details .

Once I have read all the links to my websearch, I will post the relevant information on here and give you the links .

   I'll be back soon 

Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction

 

"Judge James Boasberg ordered Kevin Clinesmith, who admitted to altering an email used to justify a government wiretap of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, to serve one year’s probation and 400 hours of community service.?

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agrees-one-year-bar-sanction-after-conviction-2021-06-28/

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ex-FBI lawyer agrees to one-year bar sanction after conviction

 

"Judge James Boasberg ordered Kevin Clinesmith, who admitted to altering an email used to justify a government wiretap of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, to serve one year’s probation and 400 hours of community service.?

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/ex-fbi-lawyer-agrees-one-year-bar-sanction-after-conviction-2021-06-28/

Thanks, I appreciate the effort. So, a rogue agent and not the FBI officially as an organisation. It is possible I guess that there is a rogue player lying to a judge again but the chances of that happening again and to an ex president must be vanishingly small.

 

To be clear, I know the police and possibly the FBI have a bad record for faking and planting evidence but that's not everywhere all the time. And less likely in high profile cases. The FBI have always been a Republican led and overtly conservative organisation, paint me skeptical.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the FBI lying to get a Judge to grant something . 

Could be they lied again to get a Trump search warrant ?

You are obviously not paying attention.

 

Trump has stated that the documents found were his property, he’s stated he declassified them.

 

His lawyers stated, in contradiction to fact, that all documents had been returned.

 

Follow the pack of ever changing lies coming out of Trump since this lawfully authorized, lawfully executed search took place.

 

Each fact that is revealed paints and even worse picture than the facts we already have in front of us, and many of those facts are provided by Trump himself.

 

 

He’s on indictment watch.

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was the FBI lying to get a Judge to grant something . 

Could be they lied again to get a Trump search warrant ?

You mean they lied and believed that there were no classified documents there and when they searched by an amazing stroke of luck they actually found them?

[Chomper Higgot]

Somebody needs to tell Trump to stop talking.

 

But he won’t, he needs to feed his own delusions and the delusions of his followers.

 

In doing so he provides the DOJ with public record statements that they will use against him.

 

And if any of his deluded followers commit crimes out of the rage he is fermenting in their heads, they’ll be on their own,

 

Trump isn’t going to ‘walk down to the Capitol’ with anyone.

 

Get your head around that.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are obviously not paying attention.

 

Trump has stated that the documents found where his property, he’s stated he declassified them.

 

His lawyers stated, in contradiction to fact, that all documents had been returned.

 

Follow the pack of ever changing lies coming out of Trump since this lawfully authorized, lawfully executed search took place.

 

Each fact that is revealed paints and even worse picture than the facts we already have in front of us, and many of those facts are provided by Trump himself.

 

 

He’s on indictment watch.

FBI says they were classified documents .

Trump says he declassified the documents whilst in office and thus didn't need to hand them over   .

We will have to wait for the outcome to see what those documents were and whether they were important documents which required the FBI to raid his premises .

   Could be part of the never ending attempts to get Trump  impeached, prosecuted and jailed . Trying to use the laws to stop the democratic process 

 

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It could be that he took the papers in folders back home when he was  POTUS and when the FBI asked for the documents back , he gave the papers back but didn't give the folders back , which would explain why he had empty folders in his possession ? 

You and your buddies at Fox News are not very good at dreaming up excuses. 
 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

You and your buddies at Fox News are not very good at dreaming up excuses. 
 

Fox news again ?

That old chestnut 

Once again, I have no access to Fox news and have never had access to Fox news and have never watched it and have no idea what content they show or where they show it .

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

FBI says they were classified documents .

Trump says he declassified the documents whilst in office and this didn't need to hand them over   .

We will have to wait for the outcome to see what those documents were and whether they were important documents which required the FBI to raid his premises .

   Could be part of the never ending attempts to get Trump  impeached, prosecuted and jailed . Trying to use the laws to stop the democratic process 

 

It's highly unlikely that a conviction would prevent Trump from running again unless certain elements of the law were invoked to prevent him and which have never been used as far as I can tell. The law forced Nixon to resign. If Trump couldn't stand because of the law that would not stop the democratic process. The law is the law and the dems alone didn't write them. Not to indict if the FBI believe he has a case to answer just because he wants to run again would be a breach of democratic process. If he won before being convicted the process would automatically stop.

[ballpoint]

The straw clutching by Trump supporters has reached ridiculous levels.

"All the documents were declassified..." So why, in the request for a special master to be appointed did his own lawyers specifically mention “that it would be appropriate for the special master to possess a 'top secret' clearance."?

"All they found were empty folders..." No, as can clearly be seen in the evidence photos, numerous top secret documents were found along with a number of empty folders, which if anything are even more concerning.

We know he had these documents because he admitted it on his failing social media app when he said they weren't just scattered about like the photos show, but were in cartons.

We know that they were in at least one place open to visitors because one of his lawyers admitted it in a radio interview when she described Trump's office and said that it had frequent visitors.

All these points have been brought up already, some numerous times, yet his supporters resort to closing their eyes while sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting MAGA, MAGA, MAGA... and no doubt will continue to spout them, even after this whole sorry saga is ended with his prosecution and punishment.

And, to those who realise that he hasn't a leg to stand on, so resort to threats that upsetting the MAGA brigade will lead to riots and worse, I say bring it on.  History has shown that it is never worth trying to placate a bully - especially not a treasonous, lying, cowardly, thieving betrayer and purveyor of his own country's secrets. Let them come out blazing so the law enforcers can deal the problem once and for all.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

yet his supporters resort to closing their eyes while sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting MAGA, MAGA, MAGA.

Who is actually doing that ?

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11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Who is actually doing that ?

You're right. When Trump steps out of line, his supporters are quick to call him on it. Take this very recent example in Pennsylvania where Trump referred to the Democratic candidate for Senate:

"Fetterman supports taxpayer-funded drug dens and the complete decriminalization of illegal drugs, including heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, and ultra lethal fentanyl," Trump said. "By the way, he takes them himself."

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/by-the-way-he-takes-them-himself-former-president-trump-accuses-fetterman-of-abusing-drugs/

In an absolutely wonderful example of irony, in that same speech he said this:

'The former president has his sights set on a likely 2024 rematch with President Biden, saying Biden's Thursday night speech was the "most hateful and divisive speech ever delivered by an American president."'

In that same speech he also called the FBI and the Justice Dept "vicious monsters".

 

The condemnations from Trump supporters were so loud you could hear a pin drop.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Kash patal is a flunky who has zero clue about the declassification system.

 

There is a procedure. The bloated one cannot just wave a magic wand over stuff and call it declassified. Agency heads must sign off, making sure no sources and methods are revealed. Then the WH Counsel signs them, classification headings are removed, and "DECLASSIFIED" is stamped on the docs.

 

If you know nothing, best you refrain from commenting.

 

45 broke the law. ANYBODY else would already be behind bars. He will be soon.

 

If all those docs were declassified, why not put them in KFC buckets or Macs Happy Meals, because DECLASSIFIED means anybody anywhere can see them.

 

 

 

 

But, but, he and the Trump supporters have experts in everything.