Health Ministry to Stop Reporting Daily COVID Cases on Oct 1

[djayz]

Thanks be to God! 

 

[sezze]

12 hours ago, jaiyen said:

Why do so many people think that Covid is disappearing ? It is still rampant in may countries but authorities have just given up and many countries cant be bothered to announce numbers of infections. It seems that all they care about now is tourism. Here in Western Australia we went into a full lockdown when there were 2 cases reported at the beginning. Now there are still about 1000 per day and nobody cares. 

It didn't disappear , it is still here , there and everywhere . It will never disappear and might pose some danger in years to come . However , the emergency is gone since less people end up in hospital . Who cares that you got a cold , nobody ... even the much more unfriendly flu , who cares you got that ? Exactly , nobody . Covid is prob now on par with flu in relationship with the risks involved . It is good to keep a close watch on it , but for the rest all is pretty much ok . In many countries by far most people had it at least once and many got it already 2 or 3 times .

[Seppius]

I will know it's over when I walk into a 7/Eleven and the staff are not hiding behind masks anymore

[onthedarkside]

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[brewsterbudgen]

On 9/27/2022 at 7:22 PM, Seppius said:

I will know it's over when I walk into a 7/Eleven and the staff are not hiding behind masks anymore

I'm inclined to agree, although if the staff feel safer not showing their mouths, it's fine by me.  What's important is that I, as a customer in 7-11, no longer have to wear a mask.

[Pattaya Spotter]

On 9/27/2022 at 6:28 AM, jaiyen said:

Why do so many people think that Covid is disappearing ? It is still rampant in may countries but authorities have just given up and many countries cant be bothered to announce numbers of infections. It seems that all they care about now is tourism. Here in Western Australia we went into a full lockdown when there were 2 cases reported at the beginning. Now there are still about 1000 per day and nobody cares. 

Maybe because anyone who wants to be vaccinated has been and there are very few hospitalizations from new cases ???? 

[Lorry]

On 9/27/2022 at 11:28 AM, SpanishExpat said:

Covid itself is not over, but it’s definitely over as life-threatening virus. 

In Western European countries,  there are now typically more than 100 - almost 200 - covid deaths per day per 100m population.  In a country like Spain,  that adds up to tens of thousands per year.

It's about 10 times more than road fatalities.

In Germany,  it's about 50,000 deaths per year (road fatalities about 4000). In the US, 100,000 (covid is the number 4 cause  of death in the US, and this is not going to change,  as American society has accepted this).

Tell those dying from covid that it's "definitely over as life-threatening virus". 

 

As another poster said: lets hide the statistics of road deaths, so driving can be safe again!

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

8 hours ago, Lorry said:

In Western European countries,  there are now typically more than 100 - almost 200 - covid deaths per day per 100m population.  In a country like Spain,  that adds up to tens of thousands per year.

It's about 10 times more than road fatalities.

In Germany,  it's about 50,000 deaths per year (road fatalities about 4000). In the US, 100,000 (covid is the number 4 cause  of death in the US, and this is not going to change,  as American society has accepted this).

Tell those dying from covid that it's "definitely over as life-threatening virus". 

 

As another poster said: lets hide the statistics of road deaths, so driving can be safe again!

 

 

Are the majority of those dying in Europe/the US unvaccinated?

[Eleftheros]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Are the majority of those dying in Europe/the US unvaccinated?

No. The majority dying in the US are vaccinated, because the majority of the people in the US are vaccinated.

 

In terms of deaths per 100,000, the rate among the vaccinated is about 0.4 per 100,000, and among the unvaccinated is about 2.0 per 100,000, according to the CDC. The CDC was unable to stop itself announcing that these tiny figures represented a 5X threat of death for the unvaccinated.

 

In layman's terms, the chance of dying from Covid for the unvaccinated is vanishingly unlikely; the chance of dying for the vaccinated is very vanishingly unlikely.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

In layman's terms, the chance of dying from Covid for the unvaccinated is vanishingly unlikely; the chance of dying for the vaccinated is very vanishingly unlikely.

 

 

Those are pretty much vague generalizations. Let's be specific about it:

 

For people in the U.S. age 50 and above, who tend to be the high risk group by age, the CDC says as of late July during the Omicron period, the unvaccinated had a 12 times greater risk of dying from COVID than those with two original vaccinations plus two or more booster doses.

 

That works out to per capita weekly death rates during Omicron of 0.68 per 100,000 population for the boosted vs. 7.73 per 100,000 population for the unvaccinated, as per the chart below:

 

 

And, among all people age 6 months and older, the unvaccinated had a 5 times greater risk of dying from COVID than those with two original vaccinations. For the end of July, the weekly death risk was 0.37 per 100,000 population for those with two original vaccine doses, vs 2.14 per 100,000 population for the unvaccinated.

 

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

 

As someone age 50+, I'll take the tiny fully vaccinated and boosted death odds any day over the not so tiny unvaccinated death odds, thank you!

 

BTW, for a disease that some here claim is harmless, Omicron COVID in the U.S. currently is causing almost 4,000 daily new hospitalizations and an average of about 350 daily deaths.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[onthedarkside]

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[Lorry]

1 hour ago, Eleftheros said:

n layman's terms, the chance of dying from Covid for the unvaccinated is vanishingly unlikely; the chance of dying for the vaccinated is very vanishingly unlikely.

It's the number 4 cause of death in the US.

If you call this unlikely...

[Eleftheros]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

For the end of July, the weekly death risk was 0.37 per 100,000 population for those with two original vaccine doses, vs 2.14 per 100,000 population for the unvaccinated.

Using the CDC figures you supplied above, the odds of dying in a given week from a Covid infection are about 50,000 to 1 against, and if you take a course of vaccines you can reduce those odds further to about 250,000 to 1 against.

 

I think many people, especially those living in Thailand, take risks every week - even every day - that are higher than 50,000 to 1 against, given the state of the roads, the driving, the electrics, food hygiene and more.

 

Doing the mathematics, you could take a 50,000 to 1 chance once every week for 664 years and still have a better than 50:50 chance of survival at the end of it.

 

A tiny risk, truly.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

Using the CDC figures you supplied above, the odds of dying in a given week from a Covid infection are about 50,000 to 1 against, and if you take a course of vaccines you can reduce those odds further to about 250,000 to 1 against.

 

I think many people, especially those living in Thailand, take risks every week - even every day - that are higher than 50,000 to 1 against, given the state of the roads, the driving, the electrics, food hygiene and more.

 

Doing the mathematics, you could take a 50,000 to 1 chance once every week for 664 years and still have a better than 50:50 chance of survival at the end of it.

 

A tiny risk, truly.

That depends what age you are and a multitude of underlying conditions that can affect the outcomes. Thailand also happens to be one of the highest Road death countries in the world at around 40 or 50 a day, where as somewhere like the UK it is only around 5 a day

[BritTim]

On 9/30/2022 at 1:51 PM, Bkk Brian said:

That depends what age you are and a multitude of underlying conditions that can affect the outcomes. Thailand also happens to be one of the highest Road death countries in the world at around 40 or 50 a day, where as somewhere like the UK it is only around 5 a day

Taking an upper limit for road deaths in Thailand of around 20,000 per year, your risk of dying from a road accident in Thailand in any one year are about 1 in 4,000. Of course, the actual risk depends on whether you try to limit your personal risk. If you take daily motorcycle taxis on main roads while wearing no helmet, your risk will be much higher. However, using the same logic as used by the majority of the people in this thread, taking precautions is pointless as the risk is so vanishingly tiny.

 

I have observed for decades how ridiculously illogical people are about risk. Just taking Covid in Thailand as an example, people were irrationally terrified of the disease in 2020 when there were well under 100 deaths for the whole year. Curfews, alcohol bans, only permitting essential workers to leave their homes, and people washing banknotes were all the order of the day. Now, with Covid deaths having dropped below 100 per week, everyone is stating that Covid is nothing, and you are hysterical if you want to halve your risk of infection by wearing a mask when not inconvenient in indoor settings. It truly mystifies me.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, BritTim said:

Just taking Covid in Thailand as an example, people were irrationally terrified of the disease in 2020 when there were well under 100 deaths for the whole year. Curfews, alcohol bans, only permitting essential workers to leave their homes, and people washing banknotes were all the order of the day. Now, with Covid deaths having dropped below 100 per week,

 

You kind of missed, or more likely deliberately ignored, the periods when Thailand's official (and likely undercounted) COVID deaths were running more than 250 per day in 2021...or more than 100 per day earlier this year:

 

 

Source link:

 

And then there's the total COVID deaths for Thailand thus far in 2022 -- more than 11,000 as of the end of September, and nearly 33,000 cumulative since the start of the pandemic (shown in the black box below, per the Thai MoPH).

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[BritTim]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You kind of missed, or more likely deliberately ignored, the periods when Thailand's official (and likely undercounted) COVID deaths were running more than 250 per day in 2021...or more than 100 per day earlier this year:

People were more concerned about Covid in 2020 (when the highest death toll for a single day was four) than during the height of Delta when, yes, there was something to be really worried about, and I stopped socialising for a while.

 

My main point is that the current risks from Covid infection (not just hospitalisation and death, but also long term ill health as a result of long Covid) while lower than a year ago, still justify taking low inconvenience, simple precautions.

[onthedarkside]

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[VBF]

11 hours ago, BritTim said:

People were more concerned about Covid in 2020 (when the highest death toll for a single day was four) than during the height of Delta when, yes, there was something to be really worried about, and I stopped socialising for a while.

 

My main point is that the current risks from Covid infection (not just hospitalisation and death, but also long term ill health as a result of long Covid) while lower than a year ago, still justify taking low inconvenience, simple precautions.

And, one should point out that in 2020 nobody was vaccinated. Hopefully the majority of us are (except  certain conspiracists of course ????) Assuming that to be the case, exposure to Covid caries FAR fewer risks in 2022 than in 2020.

Edited October 29, 2022 by VBF

[BritTim]

1 hour ago, VBF said:

And, one should point out that in 2020 nobody was vaccinated. Hopefully the majority of us are (except  certain conspiracists of course ????) Assuming that to be the case, exposure to Covid caries FAR fewer risks in 2022 than in 2020.

It is definitely true, for many reasons (including vaccines) that your risk, if exposed to the virus, is far lower than in 2020. However, your risk of being exposed is probably now at least 10,000 times greater (nobody really knows as the number of reported confirmed cases through tests is far, far lower than the real infection rate). With Omicron, data from China (where mass testing still occurs) suggests that there are about six or seven asymptomatic cases for every case where people exhibit symptoms, In Thailand, some people test themselves if they think they might be ill, but rarely reveal a positive test result to the authorities.

 

If you catch Covid now, unless you are in a high risk category, your chance of hospitalisation is low and of death very low. However, even with Omicron, without ever being hospitalised, you can end up with long Covid, in some cases resulting in a permanent effect on your health.

 

People need to live their lives, and I am not going to become a hermit just to avoid Covid risk. However, in the same way that I use seat belts in cars, I think it is prudent to mask up in indoor settings when this does not impede your planned activities.