Liz Truss’s premiership has got off to the worst start possible

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A Communist tabloid like The Guardian creating bad press for The Tories using quotes from the good old un-named sources.????

 

No, not tough to take at all. Entirely predictable in fact. 

Hardly communist as it's supported by the Gates Foundation.

[RayC]

18 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Or it shows how fickle the markets can be ,  you may have noticed the pound has started to recover already, surely this can now be heralded as a positive sign  or do we only comment when it drops, ? It would appear your understanding of things leaves a bit to be desired 

Markets may be fickle, they may be irrational but their reaction is not unimportant.

 

Your words: "Yes market reaction is unimportant and in this case should definitely be ignored." 

 

Therefore you don't think that the BoE should have made any statements or allocated £65m to prop up sterling in recent days?

 

I'd hazard a guess that if the BoE hadn't intervened and commented, the value of sterling would have continued to fall. 

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, RayC said:

On Monday, as the pound fell, government supporters on this board were telling us that the positive effects of the (mini) budget would take time to be felt - rough estimates were upwards of 12 months - and that we should reserve judgement about their success: It was - and remains - a fair comment imo.

 

However, I wake up this morning - after a recovery in the value of the pound - to find a number of these same posters declaring that the problem(s) with sterling is now over and claiming this as proof of the success of last Friday's measures!

So they were right about the recovery, just 11 months and 3 weeks out with their timescale!

[RayC]

24 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So they were right about the recovery, just 11 months and 3 weeks out with their timescale!

???? Obviously????

 

Given how quickly the measures worked, I wonder why they don't make the (mini) budgets weekly events?

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[PremiumLane]

What do you expect from a bunch of ideological Thatcherite fruit-loops?  

[Bluespunk]

54 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A Communist tabloid like The Guardian creating bad press for The Tories using quotes from the good old un-named sources.????

 

No, not tough to take at all. Entirely predictable in fact. 

Keep telling yourself that.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Perhaps you should google "partygate".

No need to google it , that was my point , a minor event that was regular headline news in the mainly left wing media , which was a cause of his unpopularity and some people who hadn't conformed to the stay at home rules, suddenly become extremely upset because someone else may not have conformed to those rules 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, superal said:

Last night I watched BBC Question time . There was a lively audience that was made up from a majority of previous Tory voters . When asked for a show of hands of who would vote for the Tories at the next election , there were no hands up

Here is that show in question .

At what time are the audience asked the question about who they are going to vote for ?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

49 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No need to google it , that was my point , a minor event that was regular headline news in the mainly left wing media , which was a cause of his unpopularity and some people who hadn't conformed to the stay at home rules, suddenly become extremely upset because someone else may not have conformed to those rules 

So let me get this right.

 

People can’t make their minds up by themselves, they need the minority of the media that can reasonably described as ‘Left wing’ to indoctrinate them?

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Markets may be fickle, they may be irrational but their reaction is not unimportant.

 

Your words: "Yes market reaction is unimportant and in this case should definitely be ignored." 

 

Therefore you don't think that the BoE should have made any statements or allocated £65m to prop up sterling in recent days?

 

I'd hazard a guess that if the BoE hadn't intervened and commented, the value of sterling would have continued to fall. 

A real possibility had Truss gone through with her dangerous ideas of placing the BoE back under political control.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let me get this right.

 

People can’t make their minds up by themselves, they need the minority of the media that can reasonably described as ‘Left wing’ to indoctrinate them?

 

 

The public are easily swayed and influenced by media headlines .

   Had the after works drinks not been so heavily publicised and such an issue made out of it by the left wing media, it would have passed by without much attention .

   Dominic Cummings is a good example of how the media can turn the general public against any given person , he went from being unknown , to a person who needs to be fired and now back to being unknown again , all because the medias anti tory reports 

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The public are easily swayed and influenced by media headlines .

   Had the after works drinks not been so heavily publicised and such an issue made out of it by the left wing media, it would have passed by without much attention .

   Dominic Cummings is a good example of how the media can turn the general public against any given person , he went from being unknown , to a person who needs to be fired and now back to being unknown again , all because the medias anti tory reports 

I think the public were swayed by the experience of not being able to visit their loved ones dying in hospital, not being able to attend the funerals of those they had lost.

 

And then being presented with the fact Johnson was residing over a No10 in which the staff that report to him were boozing it up, and the fact, he was joining them.

 

Well done to the press for reporting the facts of Johnson’s hypocrisy and double standards.

 

Boo to you for blaming the press for revealing the facts.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the public were swayed by the experience of not being able to visit their loved ones dying in hospital, not being able to attend the funerals of those they had lost.

 

And then being presented with the fact Johnson was residing over a No10 in which the staff that report to him were boozing it up, and the fact, he was joining them.

 

Well done to the press for reporting the facts of Johnson’s hypocrisy and double standards.

 

Boo to you for blaming the press for revealing the facts.

Really need to get back on topic 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Really need to get back on topic 

You say that every time I hand it back to you on a platter.

[candide]

59 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So let me get this right.

 

People can’t make their minds up by themselves, they need the minority of the media that can reasonably described as ‘Left wing’ to indoctrinate them?

 

 

As opposed to Brexiteers who only make their own decisions after having carefully checked facts and data! ????

[DezLez]

5 hours ago, superal said:

Back to the topic . Last night I watched BBC Question time . There was a lively audience that was made up from a majority of previous Tory voters . When asked for a show of hands of who would vote for the Tories at the next election , there were no hands up

Please post a link to the specific point in the show where the question you falsely claim was asked!

 

You have been asked already about this and failed to answer!

 

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4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A Communist tabloid like The Guardian creating bad press for The Tories using quotes from the good old un-named sources.????

 

No, not tough to take at all. Entirely predictable in fact. 

Thank you for letting us know that the Guardian is a communitst publication. I haven't seen where they have advocated for the abolition of private property and a government takeover of the means of production. We can agree that sources are crucial. Therefore, could you please direct me to your source for this allegation?

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thank you for letting us know that the Guardian is a communitst publication. I haven't seen where they have advocated for the abolition of private property and a government takeover of the means of production. We can agree that sources are crucial. Therefore, could you please direct me to your source for this allegation?

No problem. 

 

May I suggest you start by looking at Guardian columnist Ash Sarkar who famously stated "I am literally a Communist, you idiot" when running out of ideas to defend some ludicrous position.

 

I am currently in a Sukhumvit taxi on a mobile so google should suffice, although as a hard left tech giant you might need to scroll to page 3 of the search results as they tend to bury such embarrassing stuff.

 

I am back in the office on Monday when I can provide better links. I don't post much on days off as I have an active social life. Some of us actually work instead of spending all day advocating for the work shy.

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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

No problem. 

 

May I suggest you start by looking at Guardian columnist Ash Sarkar who famously stated "I am literally a Communist, you idiot" when running out of ideas to defend some ludicrous position.

 

I am currently in a Sukhumvit taxi on a mobile so google should suffice, although as a hard left tech giant you might need to scroll to page 3 of the search results as they tend to bury such embarrassing stuff.

 

I am back in the office on Monday when I can provide better links. I don't post much on days off as I have an active social life. Some of us actually work instead of spending all day advocating for the work shy.

So a single columnist speaks for the Guardian? Isn't the point of having columnists to provide a range of opinions? Are all the Guardian columnists Communists? Half? One quarter? A few?

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So a single columnist speaks for the Guardian? Isn't the point of having columnists to provide a range of opinions? Are all the Guardian columnists Communists? Half? One quarter? A few?

You wanted an example. I gave one. I could give you loads but I have other priorities right now.

 

Not many hard right columnists writing for The Guardian. No balance. Simply a leftist mouthpiece.

 

We all know their political stance. Hard left. Your gaslighting appears ineffective when confronted with educated individuals. 

 

Have a good evening. I'm  2 minutes away from the   restaurant.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You wanted an example. I gave one. I could give you loads but I have other priorities right now.

 

Not many hard right columnists writing for The Guardian. No balance. Simply a leftist mouthpiece.

 

We all know their political stance. Hard left. Your gaslighting appears ineffective when confronted with educated individuals. 

 

Have a good evening. I'm  2 minutes away from the   restaurant.

I didn't ask for an example. I asked for proof that the Guardian was Communist. That would entail supporting  the abolition of private property and a government takeover of the means of production. What in their editorial stance supports your allegation? To claim that 1 Communist columnist out of so many means a publication is communist says a lot about the politics of a person making such an allegation and nothing at all about the target of them. You've got nothing.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, KhaoNiaw said:

Hard lefties hate The Guardian. 

They hate everyone though , apart from people who are the same as them 

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You wanted an example. I gave one. I could give you loads but I have other priorities right now.

 

Not many hard right columnists writing for The Guardian. No balance. Simply a leftist mouthpiece.

 

We all know their political stance. Hard left. Your gaslighting appears ineffective when confronted with educated individuals. 

 

Have a good evening. I'm  2 minutes away from the   restaurant.

Utter nonsense. 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

We all know their political stance. Hard left.

Allsides.com's media bias chart shows TheGuardian as mildly left (or what might be called leaning left), not hard left.

 

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias

 

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

[Slip]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

Either this is a radical new approach to political economy or it shows a lack of understanding about the (global) economy.

This is the guy who reckons he is an economist.  Nutter more like.

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They hate everyone though , apart from people who are the same as them 

Whereas the hard right is suffused with love for those who disagree with them?

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Whereas the hard right is suffused with love for those who disagree with them?

Yes, the far right are just as bad as the far left , they can get some blame as well 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I cannot imagine there being much grass to cut in Singapore

Loads of the stuff when I lived there in the 70's. That may have changed.

 

Doesn't have to be cutting grass. The point is that those unemployed but able to work should not get money for nothing.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There are already people who cut the grass and clean the streets in the U.K , people have jobs doing that already 

They didn't do a good job though. Pavements in London were contaminated with chewing gum that was never removed when I lived there.

Send the unemployed out in pink overalls with a scraper to remove gum from pavements 8 hours a day and they might discover a willingness to do a proper job.

[Chomper Higgot]

I’ve never met anyone who is happy with their own life who spends any time at all dreaming up and describing punishments for those further down life’s ladder into misery than they are.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Chomper Higgot