Ukraine war: Biden says US will not be intimidated by reckless Putin

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Joe Biden said his Russian counterpart would not scare the US and its allies//REUTERS

 

By George Wright

 

President Joe Biden has warned Russia that the United States will not be intimidated by reckless threats after Vladimir Putin annexed four occupied regions of Ukraine.

 

Mr Putin appeared to make a veiled threat to use nuclear weapons to defend the new annexed territories.

 

He declared that the regions would "forever" be part of Russia.

 

Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg called the annexation "the most serious escalation since the start of the war".

 

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63098651

 

-- © Copyright BBC 2022-10-01

[Chomper Higgot]

Glad to see a US President who correctly identifies who America’s enemies are and does not defend them in while undermining US Intelligence Services.

 

Clearly Putin has ‘nothing on Biden’.

[John Drake]

From the same OP: 

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In another development on Friday, Russia vetoed a UN Security Council resolution which would have condemned its annexation of the four occupied regions. Moscow's ambassador, Vasily Nebenzia, complained that it was unprecedented to seek the condemnation of a permanent member of the body.

And, of course, India supported Russia by abstaining on the Security Council vote.

 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-abstains-on-unsc-resolution-condemning-russian-annexation-of-ukrainian-regions/articleshow/94575345.cms

 

People need to wake up and see that India is in Putin's pocket. They are an enemy, not an ally. Time to question why so many Indians are being stuffed into the US in sensitive positions of business. You would think America would have learned from giving the Chinese the combination to the vault. Now repeating the same mistake with India.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, John Drake said:

From the same OP: 

And, of course, India supported Russia by abstaining on the Security Council vote.

 https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-abstains-on-unsc-resolution-condemning-russian-annexation-of-ukrainian-regions/articleshow/94575345.cms

 

People need to wake up and see that India is in Putin's pocket. They are an enemy, not an ally. Time to question why so many Indians are being stuffed into the US in sensitive positions of business. You would think America would have learned from giving the Chinese the combination to the vault. Now repeating the same mistake with India.

Actually the official vote was 10/1 with Russia being the only one to veto, if it had not been for that it would have gone through, India and China abstaining did not make a difference and at least showed they were not supporting the annexation.

 

Its going to the full UN assembly now anyway where there are no vetos

Edited October 1, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[2baht]

Go for the jugular, Joe! ???? ............Czar Putin is making the world look impotent!  And, Emperor Xi does whatever he pleases!

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by 2baht

[John Drake]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

India and China abstaining did not make a difference and at least showed they were not supporting the annexation.

How do you figure this? The vote was to condemn the annexation not a question whether to support it. And India refused to say annexation is wrong. This is a vote that should be remembered the next time India asks for a permanent seat on the Security Council or wants to complain about China annexing its territory. 

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1 minute ago, John Drake said:

How do you figure this? The vote was to condemn the annexation not a question whether to support it. And India refused to say annexation is wrong. This is a vote that should be remembered the next time India asks for a permanent seat on the Security Council or wants to complain about China annexing its territory. 

The question is whether or not it sent Russia a message. Previously China had spoken of its undying support or something similar for Russia. Does an abstention look like that to you? And India is moving away from Russia because the Chinese insist that Russia no longer sell weapons to the enemy opposing Chinese expansionism in the Himalayas.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

How do you figure this? The vote was to condemn the annexation not a question whether to support it. And India refused to say annexation is wrong. This is a vote that should be remembered the next time India asks for a permanent seat on the Security Council or wants to complain about China annexing its territory. 

That's figured out quite simply, an abstention does not affect the vote as long as there is a majority without a veto.

 

China and India abstained on a vote to condemn Russia's annexation of Ukraine's land just weeks after Putin acknowledged their concerns about the war

[John Drake]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The question is whether or not it sent Russia a message.

It did. India sent a message saying they will not condemn Putin's annexation of Ukrainian territory. I don't care about China, which is all but a declared enemy, which has its own problems with the status of Taiwan. India is the country the US is trying to feed state of the art weaponry, undertaking join maneuvers with along the Chinese border, and giving preference to in work visas in the US. What is the average Indian's attitude towards Biden and the US? Look at the comments section that is part of that Times of India link. They are solidly pro Russian and pro Putin.

[moogradod]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The question is whether or not it sent Russia a message. Previously China had spoken of its undying support or something similar for Russia. Does an abstention look like that to you? And India is moving away from Russia because the Chinese insist that Russia no longer sell weapons to the enemy opposing Chinese expansionism in the Himalayas.

I think enough messages sent. Russia has itself disqualified to be a member of the Security Council. As the name implies hostile nations not considerate of their fellow humans needs should not be part of that club. All of them.

[Photoguy21]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Glad to see a US President who correctly identifies who America’s enemies are and does not defend them in while undermining US Intelligence Services.

 

Clearly Putin has ‘nothing on Biden’.

Or is it because his son been dealing with Russia?

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Or is it because his son been dealing with Russia?

Let’s stick with the facts.
 

President Biden has backed Ukrainian against the Russian aggressor and has not backed down in the face of thinly veiled Russian threats.

 

 

 

 

[nobodysfriend]

Will Putin use Nuclear weapons in the Ukraine or not ?

 

If he does not , he will likely lose the war . Ukrainian soldiers are well motivated and armed . US intelligence is helping them a lot .

 

If Putin does use nukes , it will directly lead to a reaction of the western forces .

What will that reaction be ? Counterattack on russian territory ?

 

That would be the start of WW III .

[2baht]

2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

That would be the start of WW III .

Did'nt that start in 2019 when a certain country unleashed Covid on the world that has so far killed over 6 million people?

[candide]

31 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Or is it because his son been dealing with Russia?

I don't understand. Do you mean Biden is opposing Russia because of Hunter's dealings in Russia? 

Edited October 1, 2022 by candide

[nobodysfriend]

4 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Did'nt that start in 2019 when a certain country unleashed Covid on the world that has so far killed over 6 million people?

The Wuhan wet market was the origin of the first appearance of the virus . It was most likely spread from a slaughtered animal ( pangolin ) . At least that is the official result of the investigation by the WHO ....

 

But the threat of a nuclear war in Europe is another thing ...

Edited October 1, 2022 by nobodysfriend

[candide]

7 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Will Putin use Nuclear weapons in the Ukraine or not ?

 

If he does not , he will likely lose the war . Ukrainian soldiers are well motivated and armed . US intelligence is helping them a lot .

 

If Putin does use nukes , it will directly lead to a reaction of the western forces .

What will that reaction be ? Counterattack on russian territory ?

 

That would be the start of WW III .

There is a rumour saying that the U.S. had warned Russia that it will destroy Russian tactical nuclear missile launchers if they are moved towards Ukraine. They have a max range of 300 km and are under satellite watch.

It's been evoked by military experts. No idea if it is true or not, but it makes sense.

[nobodysfriend]

1 minute ago, candide said:

There is a rumour saying that the U.S. had warned Russia that it will destroy Russian tactical nuclear missile launchers if they are moved towards Ukraine. They have a max range of 300 km and are under satellite watch.

It's been evoked by military experts. No idea if it is true or not, but it makes sense.

Any attack on russian territory would eventually provoke a russian nuclear strike ... they made that quite clear ...

[coolcarer]

5 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

Any attack on russian territory would eventually provoke a russian nuclear strike ... they made that quite clear ...

Russia has already illegally annexed the new 4 regions into Russian territory. Ukraine is attacking them very successfully right now, they have also made some major attacks in Crimea previously.

[moogradod]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

There is a rumour saying that the U.S. had warned Russia that it will destroy Russian tactical nuclear missile launchers if they are moved towards Ukraine. They have a max range of 300 km and are under satellite watch.

It's been evoked by military experts. No idea if it is true or not, but it makes sense.

When I divorced with my first wife many years ago, I did make one main mistake (after marrying her in the first place that is). i waited too long.

[vandeventer]

56 minutes ago, Hummin said:

He (Trump) would have supported the claim about terror against russians and russia supporters in those regions, and made a fear deal with Putin to save lives. Just as easy he gave away Jerusalem. He also would continue the economic sanctions on Ukraine, as well BBC would continue making documentaries about the Nazis in Ukraine as well the treath of the private armies devoloping in Ukraine. 
 

Just another scenario with unknown outcome. Better to face the devil now than later, Putin and his regime have to end. 
 

 

 

Biden is a legend in his own mine, funny I can't think of one good thing he has done for America can you?

[moogradod]

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Biden is a legend in his own mine, funny I can't think of one good thing he has done for America can you?

He won the election.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Biden is a legend in his own mine, funny I can't think of one good thing he has done for America can you?

At least Biden does not act on his own ego, he have a stab where they make decisions together, and a bit more predictable. He is a Politician.

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

It did. India sent a message saying they will not condemn Putin's annexation of Ukrainian territory. I don't care about China, which is all but a declared enemy, which has its own problems with the status of Taiwan. India is the country the US is trying to feed state of the art weaponry, undertaking join maneuvers with along the Chinese border, and giving preference to in work visas in the US. What is the average Indian's attitude towards Biden and the US? Look at the comments section that is part of that Times of India link. They are solidly pro Russian and pro Putin.

Putin is on his own with the annexation. The only states that may publicly support it in a full UN General Assembly will be places such as North Korea or Belarus.

 

India's Modi publicly chides Putin over Russia's war with Ukraine

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/india-russia-ukraine-war-modi-putin-1.6585433

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Biden is a legend in his own mine, funny I can't think of one good thing he has done for America can you?

He's restored the belief among other world leaders America is being led by someone who is competent. With Trump, no other democracy had any trust in what he said.

[vandeventer]

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

At least Biden does not act on his own ego, he have a stab where they make decisions together, and a bit more predictable. He is a Politician.

Please just one thing.

 

[vandeventer]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

He's restored the belief among other world leaders America is being led by someone who is competent. With Trump, no other democracy had any trust in what he said.

Please name one world leader, just one.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Please just one thing.

 

Because we should trust your judgement of what is and what is not a good thing? It is to laugh.

[nobodysfriend]

Just read this on CNN , very funny but true ?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/30/europe/russia-ukraine-annexation-analysis-intl/index.html

 

> " The days ahead will be febrile enough that this is a question nobody should seek to answer. But we are slowly seeing the gulf between what Russia wants, what it can do and what is actually happening – a gulf it normally filled with fear and threatening rhetoric – being exposed on the world stage. How Moscow reacts will decide the world we live in in the next decades. "<

Edited October 1, 2022 by nobodysfriend

[Lacessit]

30 minutes ago, candide said:

There is a rumour saying that the U.S. had warned Russia that it will destroy Russian tactical nuclear missile launchers if they are moved towards Ukraine. They have a max range of 300 km and are under satellite watch.

It's been evoked by military experts. No idea if it is true or not, but it makes sense.

It's quite clear the intelligence that is being provided to the Ukrainians by the USA has been invaluable in enabling the Ukrainians to strike at command centres, supply depots, and critical supply lines. How else can the record number of deaths of high-level Russian commanders be explained?

Putin is doubling down on his gamble with threats and a mobilization, resulting in Russian men of military service age fleeing the country. He does not realize it's like watching a hold'em poker player with a  flush betting into someone who already has quads.

The USA and Ukraine hold all the top cards of morale and equipment, Putin has a demoralized army of conscripts who don't want to be there.

 

General Winter is coming, IMO it will not be helping Russia this time.