UK to propose asylum ban on English Channel migrants

[baboon]

40 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Oh save it - darkest hour ????.

 

We both know they are perfectly safe in France. They are crossing the channel for better handouts, not to avoid persecution.

I don't know anything of the kind. But then I am not burning with hate and anger.

[JonnyF]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Does that feel better now?

 

Not yet.

 

I will feel much better when it has been implemented though ????.

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, baboon said:

I don't know anything of the kind. But then I am not burning with hate and anger.

Hate and Anger? ????

 

You're really on a roll today. Quite the imagination ????.

[JonnyF]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps you provide evidence to back up what it is you say you know.

 

 

France is perfectly safe.

 

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/europe/france/crime-in-france

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not yet.

 

I will feel much better when it has been implemented though ????.

It won’t be implemented, it’s a political game.

 

Braverman thinks Truss is cooked, she’s playing to the racists and xenophobes in her bid to step into No 10 when Truss is kicked out.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

France is perfectly safe.

 

https://www.worldnomads.com/travel-safety/europe/france/crime-in-france

 

Now try this:

 

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

They are crossing the channel for better handouts, not to avoid persecution.

Evidence please.

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It won’t be implemented, it’s a political game.

 

Braverman thinks Truss is cooked, she’s playing to the racists and xenophobes in her bid to step into No 10 when Truss is kicked out.

 

 

So everyone that is concerned about the danger these economic migrants face by leaving the safety of France and crossing the channel in small unsafe boats are "racists" and "xenophobes"? Good to know.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

So everyone that is concerned about the danger these economic migrants face by leaving the safety of France and crossing the channel in small unsafe boats are "racists" and "xenophobes"? Good to know.

The assertion you make is known as a Non Sequitur.

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It won’t be implemented, it’s a political game.

 

Braverman thinks Truss is cooked, she’s playing to the racists and xenophobes in her bid to step into No 10 when Truss is kicked out.

 

 

There is nothing racist or xenophobic about wishing to control illegal immigration, as you well know. It's just a tired olf insult thrown out by left when they are losing an argument. Used so frequently that it has become meaningless.

 

If you want real racism, I suggest you look no further than the Labour party and their antiquated views on what a Black man should be, how they should vote, how they should talk, what they should think. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63050482

 

 

As so often with the left, they are what they accuse you of being. 

[baboon]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It won’t be implemented, it’s a political game.

 

Braverman thinks Truss is cooked, she’s playing to the racists and xenophobes in her bid to step into No 10 when Truss is kicked out.

 

 

But I think she is doing so because she is a genuinely nasty piece of work herself, not just an ultra cynic.

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Now try this:

 

Evidence please.

Are you suggesting that France has more persecution of minorites than the UK?

 

How can that be, when the UK is so awful, so racist and so xenophobic? It's amazing that so many minorities wish to go there isn't it... It's almost like people are just making it all up ????. Or maybe it's just "their truth" in the same way that you have your "interpretation of the facts".

[Chomper Higgot]

There is precious little to find amusing in the nastiness of Braverman’s latest political games, but a Tory singling out Indian Immigration to the UK resulting from the post Brexit desperation for an India/UK trade deal meets the laugh bar.

 

You’ll find ‘European Immigrants’ being replaced through Government trade deals with cheaper Asian immigrants’ filed under Project Fear.

 

Braverman has picked a direct outcome of Brexit to rant against.

 

The use of immigrants as pawns in Tory political games is not at all amusing; however, the rank hypocrisy and predictable outcome of Tory idiocy is hilarious.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, baboon said:

But I think she is doing so because she is a genuinely nasty piece of work herself, not just an ultra cynic.

Labour has far more issues with racism and anti-semitism that the Conservatives.

 

"They are what they accuse you of being".

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-rupa-huq-apology-kwarteng-b2176553.html

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

There is nothing racist or xenophobic about wishing to control illegal immigration, as you well know. It's just a tired olf insult thrown out by left when they are losing an argument. Used so frequently that it has become meaningless.

 

If you want real racism, I suggest you look no further than the Labour party and their antiquated views on what a Black man should be, how they should vote, how they should talk, what they should think. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63050482

 

 

As so often with the left, they are what they accuse you of being. 

Whataboutary 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, JonnyF said:

Labour has far more issues with racism and anti-semitism that the Conservatives.

 

"They are what they accuse you of being".

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-rupa-huq-apology-kwarteng-b2176553.html

 

Are Labour the topic of discussion already?

 

[baboon]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Labour has far more issues with racism and anti-semitism that the Conservatives.

 

"They are what they accuse you of being".

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-rupa-huq-apology-kwarteng-b2176553.html

 

This thread is not about the Labour Party. Or race.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Whataboutary 

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-09-27/labour-mp-suspended-after-calling-kwasi-kwarteng-superficially-black

[KhunLA]

60,000 ... that's all.  Try taking in 1 million legally and then allowing 1 million illegals in while awaiting processing and y'all complain about the USA not being humane by rejecting immigrants / fake asylum seekers ..... please.

[James105]

54 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The child of immigrants turns on immigrants.

 

Some immigrants don’t even leave it to their children.

She is British born and recognises that in her country of birth too much immigration is an issue, and also recognises that too much immigration causes problems with integration for the people that live there, whatever the background of their parents.   Her job is to deal with that.   What colour she happens to be should not be part of the conversation, and the people who think it should be are (to put it politely), a bit racist.   

[proton]

A few years too late, most are from countries that should make any asylum claim not possible, like Albania. Stop the RNLI from providing a taxi service, stop putting these free loaders into hotels, stop giving them cash and access to the NHS. Make illegally entering the UK an unattractive prospect. Most of all stop listening to their 'asylum' lies and deport them. UK has something to learn here from Thailand.

Edited October 6, 2022 by proton

[CharlieH]

Posts removed.

 

"Usual suspects" at it again !

Persist and holidays will follow.

[stoner]

43 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

60,000 ... that's all.  Try taking in 1 million legally and then allowing 1 million illegals in while awaiting processing and y'all complain about the USA not being humane by rejecting immigrants / fake asylum seekers ..... please.

canadian immigration officials help them across the border with their luggage. 

 

this is a very tough subject......we are talking about human beings after all and not just numbers or stats. 

 

too much of anything is not a good thing. social systems can only handle so much influx at a time and can become overcome. thus also effecting some of the locals that needed the help in the first place. 

 

canada is bringing in approx 400k immigrants per year. ok great. but can the system handle that ? in a country of less than 40 million i say there is serious concerns about many areas of these policies that need looked at. 

 

one example

 

they are not building enough new homes yearly to handle the influx of immigration into canada. this is a serious issue for both locals and new immigrants.

 

650k cad up for the average home in canada. hahaha seems sustainable to me. 

[HauptmannUK]

Some tough talk to please the conference - there will be no follow through. The truth is that the UK had always been fairly relaxed about illegal immigration. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are not refugees, they are economic migrants from countries such as Albania, Ghana, Tunisia etc etc.  The UK government know this, they have precise data.  If they wanted to fix this issue it would have been fixed years ago. The government know that these people provide cheap labour.  Many work 'zero hours' in food factories and warehouses where there is no document checking whatsoever - they turn up for a shift and just write their name on a piece of paper - no questions asked. They are often driven out to these employers by 'agents' who take a cut of their wages. France offers them very little (no accommodation, one cup of coffee and half a baguette each day, tight control on access to healthcare and a national ID system). In contrast the UK offers accommodation, the English language, light-touch policing, very well established and well-funded community centres, temples etc, free at point of delivery healthcare etc.  Very slim chance of being caught and even slimmer chance of being deported.

Unlike most of Europe the UK has no ID cards and many public services are available without any identity checks at all.

My family operate a motor-trade business in the UK. A neighbouring small unit is operate by an Indian guy. He makes no secret at all of the fact that he came to the UK illegally 16 years ago at the age of 14. He stayed with an aunt. Enrolled in a UK high school. Got a NI number and set up a small business. He told me that under the government's '20 year rule' when he's been in the UK for 20 years the Home Office have to give him citizenship, illegal entry or not.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The child of immigrants turns on immigrants.

 

Some immigrants don’t even leave it to their children.

Legal Immigrants like Suella Braverman have just as much right to be concerned about illegal immigration to the UK as anyone else. Whether they are first generation or second generation. They are UK citizens now and shouldn't have to conform to your (or anyone else's) antiquated stereoptypes about how immigrants should think.

[micmichd]

23 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Sounds like an eminently sensible policy. People trying to go from France to the UK are not in distress or danger. THey are already in a safe country, so there is no need to travel further to seek asylum. It is obvious that they are only seeking economic advantage. 

Maybe it's easier for them in an English-speaking country than in France. 

[Hanaguma]

13 minutes ago, micmichd said:

Maybe it's easier for them in an English-speaking country than in France. 

Maybe so, but irrelevant.  If they are truly refugees then they won't be so picky about where to take refuge.  The first safe place would be good enough, until such time as they can return home.   Shopping around for the best place to live is not an act of desperation but of calculation.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, James105 said:

She is British born and recognises that in her country of birth too much immigration is an issue, and also recognises that too much immigration causes problems with integration for the people that live there, whatever the background of their parents.   Her job is to deal with that.   What colour she happens to be should not be part of the conversation, and the people who think it should be are (to put it politely), a bit racist.   

I don’t think I mentioned her colour.

[James105]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think I mentioned her colour.

I think we both know you would not have mentioned her parents background if she was the daughter of white European, Australian or North American immigrants...

[GarryP]

20 hours ago, JayClay said:

If the Truss somehow manages to finish the job she tried to start, then the immigration situation should pretty much resolve itself over time.

Nah, France will start having trouble with Brits in dingies seeking asylum. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

I think we both know you would not have mentioned her parents background if she was the daughter of white European, Australian or North American immigrants...

Sorry that will not do.

 

I did not mention her colour.

Let it go.