Employee told FBI that Trump personally directed moving of Mar-a-Lago records: report

[Scott]

 

An employee of former President Trump said the former president personally instructed workers in moving boxes of documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence in Palm Beach, Fla., according to a new report from The Washington Post. 

 

The employee witness, who was not identified, told FBI agents that Trump directed his people to move boxes to his residence after a May subpoena from the government requested any remaining classified documents, the Post reported. Security footage allegedly confirmed that account.

 

 

The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest.

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/national-security/3685517-employee-told-fbi-that-trump-personally-directed-moving-of-mar-a-lago-records-report/

 

 

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Trump has claimed falsely that the area where he stored the documents was approved of by the govt. Not true. It was rather the least bad place to store them.

Now it turns out he purposely had the documents moved from that place to his living quarters. Seems like a slam dunk for obstruction of justice as well as theft of govt documents.

 

[bocaBob]

Sounds like a double slam dunk:

 

1. as in whats in the boxes, ie., Trumps medical and tax records, secret recipes, no mention of whats in the boxes. Why not?

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*2. "The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

Another leak to the WAPO, it never ends.

Big news/big leak:

"Trump has Mar-a-Lago records at his home in Mar-a-Lago".

 

 

*Source for item 2: The Hill

Edited October 13, 2022 by bocaBob

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9 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Sounds like a double slam dunk:

 

1. as in whats in the boxes, ie., Trumps medical and tax records, secret recipes, no mention of whats in the boxes. Why not?

&

*2. "The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

Another leak to the WAPO, it never ends.

Big news/big leak:

"Trump has Mar-a-Lago records at his home in Mar-a-Lago".

 

 

*Source for item 2: The Hill

They have already found what's in the boxes. Government property. Including highly sensitive documents.  Try to keep up.

The witness changed his story after he was made acquainted with videos of the storage area. You're really going to contest the evidentiary value of videos showing the act in progress?

[bocaBob]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

They have already found what's in the boxes. Government property. Including highly sensitive documents.  Try to keep up.

The witness changed his story after he was made acquainted with videos of the storage area. You're really going to contest the evidentiary value of videos showing the act in progress?

LOl...ok, but the Hill report does not say whats in the boxes the witness (after changing their story) says they moved to Mar-a-Lago, nor where the boxes came from.

But be happy, it's another lame and laughable leak to the Post. This is amusing, and has become ridiculous when the regime players need to stoop to such low levels out of sheer desperation.

Indictment watch.

[bocaBob]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

videos showing the act in progress?

The employee witness, who was not identified, told FBI agents that Trump directed his people to move boxes to his residence after a May subpoena from the government requested any remaining classified documents, the Post reported. Security footage allegedly confirmed that account.

No video evidence mentioned and explain to me what is the big deal when people move boxes in their home? Maybe Trump should be arrested, charged with "box moving"?

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by bocaBob

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1 minute ago, bocaBob said:

LOl...ok, but the Hill report does not say whats in the boxes the witness (after changing their story) says they moved to Mar-a-Lago, nor where the boxes came from.

But be happy, it's another lame and laughable leak to the Post. This is amusing, and has become ridiculous when the regime players need to stoop to such low levels out of sheer desperation.

Indictment watch.

The witness did not say the boxes were moved to Mar a Lago. The boxes were in Mar a Lago. The location was shifted from the storage area to Trump's quarters. Material marked classified was found in Trump's residence. Now, if that material didn't come from those boxes, that would mean that it comes from other sources that haven't been located yet. Which jibes with reports that it's believed by the govt that Trump is still holding onto documents that don't belong to him.

And as I pointed out, and you pointedly ignore, the witness changed their story after being confronted with video evidence.

Calling something lame and laughable doesn't make it so.

[Scott]

There are numerous other sources for the story:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/former-trump-employee-tells-fbi-trump-ordered-mar-a-lago-boxes-be-moved-report-2022-10-12/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/12/politics/trump-employee-fbi-mar-a-lago-boxes/index.html

 

There are many more.  Please stay on topic which isn't about the source(s).

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Nothing in The Hill report about videos. Nice obfuscation attempt.

Stick with the facts, the theme, the details please.

Perhaps read again:

 

The employee witness, who was not identified, told FBI agents that Trump directed his people to move boxes to his residence after a May subpoena from the government requested any remaining classified documents, the Post reported. Security footage allegedly confirmed that account.

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5 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Nothing in The Hill report about videos. Nice obfuscation attempt.

Stick with the facts, the theme, the details please.

I got that information from the original article on which the report is based. That said, I did misconstrue it. The report doesn't say that the witness changed his testimony because of the videos. But the videos do confirm that items were removed from the storage area after the DOJ after Trump received a subpoena from the DOJ.

 

"A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of the former president, according to people familiar with the investigation, who say the witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Donald Trump’s behavior as investigators sought the return of classified material.

The witness description and footage described to The Washington Post offer the most direct account to date of Trump’s actions and instructions leading up to the FBI’s Aug. 8 search of the Florida residence and private club, in which agents were looking for evidence of potential crimes including obstruction, destruction of government records or mishandling classified information."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/12/maralago-witness-trump-boxes-moved/

[bocaBob]

Just now, placeholder said:

The witness description and footage described to The Washington Post

....changed their story, that sounds credible. See yah in court.

 

"The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

The Hill

[Phoenix Rising]

Enough already! Get [Trump] in jail now and keep it there until the prosecution is ready for trial. 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

....changed their story, that sounds credible. See yah in court.

 

"The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

The Hill

It certainly sounds credible given that there is video footage of the boxes containing the documens  and the witness subsequently acknowledged that he had handled the documents after denying that at first.

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[bocaBob]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

It certainly sounds credible given that there is video footage of the documents and the witness subsequently acknowledged that he had handled the documents after denying that at first.

big difference between "sounds" and "is",

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

 

[bocaBob]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

 

Still waiting for the document dispute to produce the goods, like you know some evidence, and evidence of a crime, perhaps an indictment. It's only been 20 or so months. How long does it take to figure this out.

Edited October 13, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling comment removed, also quote of removed post

[bocaBob]

Sadly, I don't believe Garland has the spine to persue a Trump indictment, especially if they don't indict Hunter Biden. I do believe that a precursor to a Trump indictment is a Biden indictment.  Got to have both, it's about image and public perception now given public mistrust in the DOJ & FBI.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, bocaBob said:

Still waiting for the document dispute to produce the goods, like you know some evidence, and evidence of a crime, perhaps an indictment. It's only been 20 or so months. How long does it take to figure this out.

The reason it's been 20 months or so is that NARA bent over backwards trying not to make a criminal case out of it. It was only when it learned that there were highly sensitive documents among Trump's trove that the DOJ was asked to investigate.

 

And unless you're denying that these were govt documents, there already is prima facie evidence of a crime. And if you don't believe me, consult the decision of the panel of the 11th Court of Appeals which noted that Trump's arguments about the status of the documents in contention was a red herring since there is no way that the sensitive documents in question - whether or not he had declassified them - could in any way be considered personal.

 

You know someone has got nothing when they start invoking predictions to bolster their arguments. You've got nothing.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, bocaBob said:

Still waiting for the document dispute to produce the goods, like you know some evidence, and evidence of a crime, perhaps an indictment. It's only been 20 or so months. How long does it take to figure this out.

I agree with you that DOJ is treating this with too much caution due to the seer number of cultists out there, it's time to rip off the bandaid.

 

 

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[bocaBob]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It certainly sounds credible given that there is video footage of the documents and the witness subsequently acknowledged that he had handled the documents after denying that at first.

Sounds like the witness got caught in a lie to FBI and agreed to come clean to avoid felony charge's for lying to the FBI.

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1 hour ago, bocaBob said:

Sounds like the witness got caught in a lie to FBI and agreed to come clean to avoid felony charge's for lying to the FBI.

The lie being that he didn't move the documents.  Maybe to you it seems likely that those documents would be removed from the storage area without Trump's express orders.

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[bocaBob]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You've got nothing.

Famous last words. I suspect the DOJ and FBI are feeling that concept as well.

But maybe Trump gets indicted sometime next year, well after thanksgiving when it's rumored Trump will announce his intention to run for office. They need to indict Trump before he announces or Trump wins again and YOU got nothing.

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Sadly, I don't believe Garland has the spine to persue a Trump indictment, especially if they don't indict Hunter Biden. I do believe that a precursor to a Trump indictment is a Biden indictment.  Got to have both, it's about image and public perception now given public mistrust in the DOJ & FBI.

It's so weird that there is so much unambiguous hard physical evidence, actual government documents that can be touched and held . that show Trump violated the law are derided,  but a series of emails unbacked by any hard evidence, and a witness who claims were discounted by a media source owned by Rupert Murdoch,  are overwhelmingly convincing for some.

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[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Famous last words. I suspect the DOJ and FBI are feeling that concept as well.

But maybe Trump gets indicted sometime next year, well after thanksgiving when it's rumored Trump will announce his intention to run for office. They need to indict Trump before he announces or Trump wins again and YOU got nothing.

Again with the predictions as some kind of argument. The hallmark of intellectual emptiness.

[onthedarkside]

Several trolling posts, trolling comments within posts and ensuing replies have been removed.

 

[candide]

It looks like Trump is toast! ????

- documents found during the search,

- lawyer saying she was told to sign a document stating there was nothing left

- security footage showing the boxes moved

- and now a witness stating he was ordered by Trump to move the documents!

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

It looks like Trump is toast! ????

- documents found during the search,

- lawyer saying she was told to sign a document stating there was nothing left

- security footage showing the boxes moved

- and now a witness stating he was ordered by Trump to move the documents!

I would just love that to be the case, and get all of this nonsense out of the way, and put him where he belongs, in an orange "suit" and a cell for many years – – but does the overall US establishment have the guts/nerve to do it??
 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, bocaBob said:

....changed their story, that sounds credible. See yah in court.

 

"The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

The Hill

Unidentified witness describes moving boxes that could have contained documents about anything.

Conclusive evidence of a crime, not.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unidentified witness describes moving boxes that could have contained documents about anything.

Conclusive evidence of a crime, not.

Let me correct that for you:

 

Take 1: Witness denies moving boxes

Take 2: Witness admits taking boxes after its caught on cctv

 

One single false statement made to the FBI can be steep. This offense is a federal crime and a felony.

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, bocaBob said:

....changed their story, that sounds credible. See yah in court.

 

"The witness reportedly first denied handling such documents, but switched stories in a second interview with federal agents, admitting to handling boxes of documents at Trump’s behest."

 

The Hill

amazing the contortions some will go through to see no evil hear no evil....

...

what the heck has happened to basic common sense...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is most likely a duck....one of oldest lines ever used in courtrooms...

Edited October 13, 2022 by onthedarkside
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