Thailand abstains in UN vote condemning Russia’s “illegal referenda” in Ukraine

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, ChessNerd said:

Be specific.... Which part is "fake news"?

Anyone can throw a blanket statement on something they don't like.

Which part of the post you were quoting as correct is fake news that is not specific enough for you? All of it.

[kennw]

3 hours ago, iwan55555 said:

Proud.. not following the stupid media with fake news,

 

Always Anti-China and anti-Russia   just because people believe the media and whats being thaught from a very young age,,,  guess very few people actually know what going on in Ukraine for the past 8 years,, freedom of press or word.. what a joke... 

 

Aslo great to see Putin join APEC 2022

Are you sure you name is'nt Ivan

[soalbundy]

7 hours ago, pmarlin said:

Bet it's all about oil. Must be buying Russian oil as are most of the Asian nations are doing. Helping Russia pay for the war.

Pragmatic, which is why Thailand is Teflon coated, they don't have a dog in this fight so why go out on a limb. Thailand is a backwater country with a lot of Chinese influence within and a neighbour heavily reliant on Chinese investment so why take sides and antagonize. Thailand is a softly treading Nightingale that has seen its best course of action is not to sing to loudly.

[metisdead]

A post with a disallowed reference to the Thai PM has been removed.

[Gknrd]

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

out of interest where are you thinking of going?

Thought I would see if China would sell me a sub. I am not picky. I don't need an engine. I will just bob around for a while. When I run out of food. I will head in and see if things have cooled off.

 

[Why Me]

Kudos to Thailand for brushing off US pressure. In any case, hopefully the war will be over before APEC (and Putin) arrive in town mid-Nov with no-nonsense Surovikin now in charge of Russian forces.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

Well in that case, you are wrong.

Here is a real history timeline for you:

 

1. In 2014 the U.S leads the coup of democratically elected president in Ukraine (who happens to be pro-Russia) and installs a pro-Western president.

 

2. In the same year, disgusted Russian-speakers (basically everyone) from Donbass region say "Nah <deleted> that! If the West is going to do a coup in Ukraine and install a puppet president (as they have in countless other countries), we are declaring independence."

 

3. Ukrainian military bombed them ever since and committed countless crimes to the point where WESTERN newspapers were talking about Ukraine's "Nazi problem".

4. It becomes so bad that the Donbass republics ask Putin for help, and he initially says no.

 

5. In February 2022, Putin invades and decides to defend these republics from the aggression they've been facing for 8 years. He also vows to "Denazify" Ukraine, which he didn't pull from his own imagination, since Western newspapers have already been concerned for years (easily verifiable).

 

6. The collective Western world (led by the U.S State Dept, CIA, Pentagon etc) sees an opportunity to "contain" Russia by arming the opposing side in a war, as they did in 1979 in Afghanistan.

7. Western morons believe every word propaganda pieces like "The Guardian" say, and conveniently forget that just last year, same newspaper talked about Ukraine's "Nazi problem". Suddenly Ukrainians are heroes fighting the "Russian menace", almost like a real-life portrayal of the dozens of corny Hollywood movies with the same plot (Russians are always the cartoonishly evil bad guys in Hollywood action films...)..

 

8. Ukrainian propaganda more romantic and unrealistic than Star Wars talks of "Ghosts of Kiev" (who shoots down 9000 Russian planes a minute without being seen), a grandpa with a pee-shooter who destroys tanks and other such BS....and grass-chewing Westerners' eyes fill with patriotic tears or something...

Anything contrary to these fairy tales is attacked viciously as "Kremlin propaganda".

This is where we are today.

 

People think someone is "pro-Russia" or "Anti-Ukraine" simply for questioning the cartoonish "official" plot.

 

Meanwhile, they are manufacturing consent to send your sons to die in their wars.

 

This is real. Everything you think is real is fake news.

You're welcome. ????

 

 

 

Above is indeed Russian propaganda.

Putin is a war criminal.

Never forget that he stole Crimea.

Putin can't accept Ukraine being a sovereign nation and emerging democracy 

A minority of the total population doesn't want that.

They can try to win the next election or they can move to Russia. The four new annexed regions are not Russia. 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Jingthing

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

Well in that case, you are wrong.

Here is a real history timeline for you:

 

1. In 2014 the U.S leads the coup of democratically elected president in Ukraine (who happens to be pro-Russia) and installs a pro-Western president.

 

2. In the same year, disgusted Russian-speakers (basically everyone) from Donbass region say "Nah <deleted> that! If the West is going to do a coup in Ukraine and install a puppet president (as they have in countless other countries), we are declaring independence."

 

3. Ukrainian military bombed them ever since and committed countless crimes to the point where WESTERN newspapers were talking about Ukraine's "Nazi problem".

4. It becomes so bad that the Donbass republics ask Putin for help, and he initially says no.

 

5. In February 2022, Putin invades and decides to defend these republics from the aggression they've been facing for 8 years. He also vows to "Denazify" Ukraine, which he didn't pull from his own imagination, since Western newspapers have already been concerned for years (easily verifiable).

 

6. The collective Western world (led by the U.S State Dept, CIA, Pentagon etc) sees an opportunity to "contain" Russia by arming the opposing side in a war, as they did in 1979 in Afghanistan.

7. Western morons believe every word propaganda pieces like "The Guardian" say, and conveniently forget that just last year, same newspaper talked about Ukraine's "Nazi problem". Suddenly Ukrainians are heroes fighting the "Russian menace", almost like a real-life portrayal of the dozens of corny Hollywood movies with the same plot (Russians are always the cartoonishly evil bad guys in Hollywood action films...)..

 

8. Ukrainian propaganda more romantic and unrealistic than Star Wars talks of "Ghosts of Kiev" (who shoots down 9000 Russian planes a minute without being seen), a grandpa with a pee-shooter who destroys tanks and other such BS....and grass-chewing Westerners' eyes fill with patriotic tears or something...

Anything contrary to these fairy tales is attacked viciously as "Kremlin propaganda".

This is where we are today.

 

People think someone is "pro-Russia" or "Anti-Ukraine" simply for questioning the cartoonish "official" plot.

 

Meanwhile, they are manufacturing consent to send your sons to die in their wars.

 

This is real. Everything you think is real is fake news.

You're welcome. ????

 

 

 

Straight from the mouth of the St. Petersburg troll farm.

 

You couldn't make it up........Oh, actually you did! 555

[kwonitoy]

38 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Kudos to Thailand for brushing off US pressure. In any case, hopefully the war will be over before APEC (and Putin) arrive in town mid-Nov with no-nonsense Surovikin now in charge of Russian forces.

I would be hoping for a end of the war by year's end. But more realistic sometime next year.

Much more Western munitions and especially anti air defense systems, plus 10s of thousands of properly Trained soldiers arriving from UK.

Ukraine has the momentum and the backing of the world.

russia has a paranoid delusional dictator

Whichever commander puppet de jour putin puts in is in a loosing positions.

https://minusrus.com/en

 

Slava Ukraine

 

[RichardColeman]

Russian Tourists 1 Ukrainian Innocent people 0

[Scott]

A troll post and a post with unsubstantiated claims have been reported and removed.  

 

[Bluespunk]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand has abstained, as did China and India, in a vote on the UN resolution not to recognise the four regions of Ukraine which Russia has claimed, following referenda held late last month.

Gutless. 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

Dude, you didn't disprove a single thing I said. 

Only posted a link and vaguely implied "but your Nazis are worse".

Western media (pre February) would seem to suggest different, because if RUSSIA had a Nazi problem to the magnitude of Ukraines, it would be on every newspaper front page, even to this day.

We all know this is true.

Why do I need disprove what the article said?

 

I accept it at face value.............."dude"

 

Here's another quote from it:

"To be clear, the Kremlin’s claims that Ukraine is a hornets’ nest of fascists are false: far-right parties performed poorly in Ukraine’s last parliamentary elections, and Ukrainians reacted with alarm to the National Militia’s demonstration in Kiev."

 

 

 

How Russia Uses Neo-Nazi Groups to Spread Chaos

Russian Imperial Movement” or RIM. Analysts say RIM is among several ultra-nationalist and white-supremacist groups used by the Kremlin

 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

You’ve just gone from bad to worse. On what planet can you make such assumptions that posters on here are drinking, smoking weed, taking hookers, and booze with a hedonistic lifestyle? You are showing your ignorance and perhaps belong n the pub threads not serious discussion threads such as this. Oh and link to the higher IQ of Thai’s as opposed to the West? Wouldn’t want any more unsubstantiated claims would we. 

Maybe it's time for us to stop feeding the dinner roll

 

[Why Me]

4 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Oh and link to the higher IQ of Thai’s as opposed to the West?

Well, I would say the ability to form their own judgment of what's going on in Ukraine and critically question US propaganda indicates a superior intellect than most supposedly advanced western countries.

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Well, I would say the ability to form their own judgment of what's going on in Ukraine and critically question US propaganda indicates a superior intellect than most supposedly advanced western countries.

Can you point me to where they have critically questioned western propaganda as you put it? Did you read the Thai print out posted as to why they abstained. Pretty sure they said they respect Ukraines territorial boundaries. They also voted in the previous UN motion to condem Russias invasion into Ukraine and leave immediately.

[Scott]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Maybe it's time for us to stop feeding the dinner roll

 

I believe he has left the restaurant! 

 

[Lacessit]

Thailand is doing what it does best, sitting on the fence.

[Why Me]

5 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Pretty sure they said they respect Ukraines territorial boundaries.

Of course, everyone does. Except these boundaries have now shrunk outside the four provinces that voted to join Russia.

 

6 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

They also voted in the previous UN motion to condem Russias invasion into Ukraine and leave immediately.

Now they have done the right thing. Tell me you never made a mistake you rectified later.

[coolcarer]

14 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Of course, everyone does. Except these boundaries have now shrunk outside the four provinces that voted to join Russia.

 

Now they have done the right thing. Tell me you never made a mistake you rectified later.

There were no elections to join Russia, a sham show was all it was and recognized as such. It really says something when the only countries that agree with Russia are NK, Nicaragua, Belarus and Syria. A real pirate crew.

[Why Me]

10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

There were no elections to join Russia, a sham show was all it was and recognized as such.

Again you prove yourself less capable of questioning propaganda than Thais.

 

14 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

It really says something when the only countries that agree with Russia are NK, Nicaragua, Belarus and Syria. A real pirate crew.

If you've been following recent news you'll know that China, India and OPEC+ have all sided with Russia in actions that actually matter, e.g., buying Russian exports, raising oil prices, etc. Now, that is a real pirate crew.

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Of course, everyone does. Except these boundaries have now shrunk outside the four provinces that voted to join Russia.

 

Now they have done the right thing. Tell me you never made a mistake you rectified later.

Sham votes with guns pointed. Recognized as legit by almost no other countries.

[Why Me]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sham votes with guns pointed. Recognized as legit by almost no other countries.

Ah, the world according to US/CNN/NYT. Yes, of course one must believe.

[coolcarer]

9 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Again you prove yourself less capable of questioning propaganda than Thais.

 

If you've been following recent news you'll know that China, India and OPEC+ have all sided with Russia in actions that actually matter, e.g., buying Russian exports, raising oil prices, etc. Now, that is a real pirate crew.

This is not about OPEC please keep up with the topic at hand. Thai’s have also not recognized the new annexed regions or boundaries announced by Russia. 

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Ah, the world according to US/CNN/NYT. Yes, of course one must believe.

The world according to facts and reality. Bye.

[Why Me]

6 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Thai’s have also not recognized the new annexed regions or boundaries announced by Russia. 

Interesting question, we don't know either way yet. But here would be hypothetical test: If a resident of Luhansk (with address proof) applies for a Thai visa using a Russian passport at the Moscow Thai embassy, will he be turned down and told "sorry, wrong country, try Ukraine".

 

I would be curious to know.

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Interesting question, we don't know either way yet. But here would be hypothetical test: If a resident of Luhansk (with address proof) applies for a Thai visa using a Russian passport at the Moscow Thai embassy, will he be turned down and told "sorry, wrong country, try Ukraine".

 

I would be curious to know.

We do know either way, read the Thai statement on the first page of this thread by Thailand. Thailand does not recognize the new territories. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by coolcarer

[tomacht8]

7 hours ago, flossie35 said:

Too many still swallow Washington's propaganda. The areas in question are populated mainly by Russians. For the last few years, while part of Ukraine, they have been bombarded by Ukraine, with 14,000 deaths. Why would they vote to remain Ukranian? For whatever reason, Thailand has got it right. 

One-sided propaganda. Many Russians were forced in the past to settle in the areas by Stalin. It is clear who has intensified and ignited the conflict in terms of war.

 

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598

[Why Me]

5 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

We do know either way, read the Thai statement on the first page of this thread by Thailand. Thailand does not recognize the new territories. 

Nowhere does it say Thailand does/does not recognize the four newly-acquired Russian oblasts. It does make a statement of general principle in Art. 1 against "unprovoked acquisition ..." but doesn't accuse Russia of any wrongdoing. And in the next Art. 2 it declares the situation as too volatile to choose sides.

 

Smart diplomacy by Thailand in waiting for the ground realities to sort themselves. 

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Why Me said:

Nowhere does it say Thailand does/does not recognize the four newly-acquired Russian oblasts. It does make a statement of general principle in Art. 1 against "unprovoked acquisition ..." but doesn't accuse Russia of any wrongdoing. And in the next Art. 2 it declares the situation as too volatile to choose sides.

 

Smart diplomacy by Thailand in waiting for the ground realities to sort themselves. 

If you can’t comprehend the message in the statement where they even include the infringed human rights of the Ukrainians of which they have been deprived then it’s pointless carrying on, goodnight