Who might succeed Liz Truss as UK prime minister?

[Scott]

 

A new leadership contest will take place within a week, Liz Truss said in her resignation speech outside Downing Street on Thursday.

Graham Brady, the Conservative official responsible for the process, announced the candidates to replace Truss will need at least 100 nominations from Conservative MPs.

If more than one candidate meets that threshold, they will be put to the Conservative members in an online ballot, with the new prime minister to be announced on Friday October 28.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/20/uk/liz-truss-possible-successors-intl-gbr/index.html

[ukrules]

I won't be surprised if Boris makes a comeback.

[Bluespunk]

The country does not need johnson back.

 

He was removed for very good reasons that remain relevant re trustworthiness, competence, honesty, attention to detail, etc… 
 

truss was a debacle but johnson is not the solution. 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by Bluespunk

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, ukrules said:

I won't be surprised if Boris makes a comeback.

I hope he does. That'll shut up the stirrers.

If he does, hopefully he won't make the same mistakes.

[partington]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope he does. That'll shut up the stirrers.

If he does, hopefully he won't make the same mistakes.

A "mistake" is knocking over someone's wineglass while reaching for the salt.

 

A series of deliberate lies, deceits and cover ups involving  sycophantic cronies reliant on you for a job is intentional wrongdoing, and reveals a personality with no moral anchor or principles.

 

People who want Johnson back, after he was removed because his own party's MPs declared him unfit for office and forced him to leave are, in my opinion, barely sentient.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, partington said:

A "mistake" is knocking over someone's wineglass while reaching for the salt.

 

A series of deliberate lies, deceits and cover ups involving  sycophantic cronies reliant on you for a job is intentional wrongdoing, and reveals a personality with no moral anchor or principles.

 

People who want Johnson back, after he was removed because his own party's MPs declared him unfit for office and forced him to leave are, in my opinion, barely sentient.

 

IMO these days it would be hard to find a politician motivated by morality or principles above staying in the big chair.

 

I want Boris for the entertainment factor, as I don't think any politician is capable of "fixing" Britain any more, so IMO it doesn't really matter who is in Number 10.

 

If that makes me "barely sentient" no problem for me.

Edited October 20, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[partington]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

 

If that makes me "barely sentient" no problem for me.

That's the diagnostic feature of the barely sentient: they don't realise it's a problem.

 

Why?

 

Because they're barely sentient...

Edited October 20, 2022 by partington

[mrfill]

3 hours ago, partington said:

A "mistake" is knocking over someone's wineglass while reaching for the salt.

 

A series of deliberate lies, deceits and cover ups involving  sycophantic cronies reliant on you for a job is intentional wrongdoing, and reveals a personality with no moral anchor or principles.

 

People who want Johnson back, after he was removed because his own party's MPs declared him unfit for office and forced him to leave are, in my opinion, barely sentient.

 

There is a small matter of the Parliamentary Privileges Committee report which could well conclude that he deliberately misled parliament (mainly because he did). That could bar him from office permanently. 

Hopefully...

[Chomper Higgot]

The challenge the Tories face is finding someone who is acceptable to both the moderate rightwing of the Party and the extremists in the ERG.

 

Clearly the chosen candidate will have two jobs, get the Party back on an even keel and address the cost of living crisis ordinary people are facing, they need to achieve these objectives while reassuring the financial markets the UK is being Governed rationally.

 

Common sense suggests that must be an experienced moderate, but is there any common sense left in the Tory Party?

 

The results of dogmatic rightwing lunacy have already been demonstrated, don’t put too much faith in the idea that the Tories have somehow learned any lessons from the past few weeks.

 

[ballpoint]

This headline must be the first time the words "succeed" and "Liz Truss" have appeared together.

[pegman]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO these days it would be hard to find a politician motivated by morality or principles above staying in the big chair.

 

I want Boris for the entertainment factor, as I don't think any politician is capable of "fixing" Britain any more, so IMO it doesn't really matter who is in Number 10.

 

If that makes me "barely sentient" no problem for me.

True, once the UK went the BREXIT route there really was no saving it. Sunak will be the next PM. 

[pegman]

31 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

This headline must be the first time the words "succeed" and "Liz Truss" have appeared together.

 I agree that's definitely an oxymoron 

[Hanaguma]

I'm thinking if they are smart they will go with Sunak.  Smart guy, obviously good business sense, seems relaxed. 

[RayC]

37 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I'm thinking if they are smart they will go with Sunak.  Smart guy, obviously good business sense, seems relaxed. 

You are assuming that the Tory Party will act rationally. You may have just given a number of reasons what Sunak won't be elected.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

True, once the UK went the BREXIT route there really was no saving it. Sunak will be the next PM. 

The current problems are caused by Covid and Ukraine , not much to do with Brexit

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I'm thinking if they are smart they will go with Sunak.  Smart guy, obviously good business sense, seems relaxed. 

The problem is the tory base.
 

The parliamentary party picked sunak last time only for the base to vote in truss. No matter whom the parliamentary party votes for, if there is more than one candidate the base still has the final say. They didn’t vote for the sane choice last time round and it cannot be guaranteed they will this time. 

 

For the sake of the country let’s hope both choices made in Parliament are rational and trustworthy (which rules out johnson). Or even better there is only one choice who obtains the required number of votes. 
 

The first thing they should then do is call an election.
 

They probably won’t but for the long term future of the party they should…the tory internal divisions are so deep now that a reboot of the party is needed and that requires a clear out of the current batch of tory mps. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Bluespunk
Typos and additional comments

[Chomper Higgot]

It’ll be interesting to see what policy platforms the candidates opt for.

 

Everything Truss came up with, the post Brexit opportunities and tax giveaways has been demonstrated not acceptable to the financial markets.

 

So what are they going to come up with?

 

Tory Austerity 2?

Culture wars?

Scapegoating migrants?

WW2 and World Cup 66?

 

They need something to distract the public, I wonder what it’ll be?

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’ll be interesting to see what policy platforms the candidates opt for.

 

Everything Truss came up with, the post Brexit opportunities and tax giveaways has been demonstrated not acceptable to the financial markets.

 

So what are they going to come up with?

 

Tory Austerity 2?

Culture wars?

Scapegoating migrants?

WW2 and World Cup 66?

 

They need something to distract the public, I wonder what it’ll be?

Maybe they could promise to rejoin the EU?

And increase taxes on the rich .........

Edited October 21, 2022 by BritManToo

[Slip]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’ll be interesting to see what policy platforms the candidates opt for.

 

Everything Truss came up with, the post Brexit opportunities and tax giveaways has been demonstrated not acceptable to the financial markets.

 

So what are they going to come up with?

 

Tory Austerity 2?

Culture wars?

Scapegoating migrants?

WW2 and World Cup 66?

 

They need something to distract the public, I wonder what it’ll be?

Endless leadership contests?

[CG1 Blue]

Just been listening to LBC. Apparently these are the approximate numbers regarding the three candidates and the number of MPs that have officially backed them so far:

 

Mordant 22

Boris 54

Sunak 62

 

It's looking like Boris and Sunak will fight it out, and that would be a bloodbath. 

 

It'll all be concluded by Friday 28th Oct, so at least it'll be quick. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Since the Brexit vote, Labour had the chance to win an election on a "we will rejoin the EU" stand, but didn't.

Since then the Conservatives won an election with more seats than before, so the people must have thought Brexit was a good idea.

Before you accuse me, I didn't want to leave the EU as I had plans to live in France.

 

The Brexit vote was 6 years back, time to stop harping on about it.

There's nothing we can do to change Brexit.

So where are the promised ‘sunny uplands’?

[BritManToo]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

It's looking like Boris and Sunak will fight it out, and that would be a bloodbath. 

If it's Boris Vs Sunak, I can confidently predict the Tory party membership will vote for Boris.

You all know why!

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

But Truss voted Remain in the referendum. She was a Remainer

"Was".  

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Just been listening to LBC. Apparently these are the approximate numbers regarding the three candidates and the number of MPs that have officially backed them so far:

 

Mordant 22

Boris 54

Sunak 62

 

It's looking like Boris and Sunak will fight it out, and that would be a bloodbath. 

 

It'll all be concluded by Friday 28th Oct, so at least it'll be quick. 

 

 

2020s tories- the gift that keeps on giving, and the plague that keep on sucking the life out of the UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But Truss voted Remain in the referendum. She was a Remainer

There was a time when she was the Tory’s best hope.

 

 

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

But Truss voted Remain in the referendum. She was a Remainer

ALL the Tory leaders were remainers (including Cameron, Boris and Teresa)!

In fact the only MP I know for sure who wanted to leave the EU was the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Edited October 21, 2022 by BritManToo

[Eleftheros]

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Who might succeed Liz Truss as UK prime minister?

I don't think "succeed" is the right word to use. "Follow down the drain" might be closer.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

We are now having to deal with the financial impact of Brexit , all that borrowed and spent money needs to be paid back and that's why there needs to be either tax rises or cut services .

   I generally avoid talking about Brexit as a whole, the good points and the bad points .

   Brexit happened, so I am just getting on with it 

The money borrowed was to pay for the damage caused by Truss’ lunatic budget.

 

I’m not in the least bit surprised you avoid talking about Brexit, romping around in the ‘sunny uplands’ leaves little energy for anything else.

 

 

[Eleftheros]

Not to mention the estimated 500 billion pounds p**sed away on trying to control a viral outbreak by ordering healthy people to stay in their houses.

 

Future generations of British people will be paying that off for decades, assuming they don't all emigrate to somewhere less dysfunctional.

 

The UK premiership is the poisoned chalice par excellence.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The money borrowed was to pay for the damage caused by Truss’ lunatic budget.

 

I’m not in the least bit surprised you avoid talking about Brexit, romping around in the ‘sunny uplands’ leaves little energy for anything else.

 

 

I was nt talking about that money, I did mean the 400 odd Billion that Covid cost .

  Anyway, hows the queues at Dover these days ?

Have they been sorted out yet ?

Whose catching the fish in the sea between the UK and France ?

I haven't really been following the latest developments