Paul Pelosi: Who is spreading false claims about attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband?

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Was there a political motivation for the attack? It makes sense.

 

Click the link to the OP, screenshots of his blog posts are contained.

 

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Is the depape mentally ill? I'm not a doctor, but from what I read it seems plausible.

You read that from an ex girlfriend spending 10 years in prison for abduction who had a call from a New Yorker journo, anywhere else?

Yes thats already been clarified

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Click the link to the OP, screenshots of his blog posts are contained.

 

You read that from an ex girlfriend spending 10 years in prison for abduction who had a call from a New Yorker journo, anywhere else?

 

So now after claiming all you wanted to know is who opened the door your now expanding that...........lol

Yes thats already been clarified

Ok it will be in interesting to see how it all unfolds. PP is quite the guy who after opening door returned to attacker. Unless of course the two were standing next to door and PP used his free hand to open door and depape instantly hit PP before police could intervene.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Ok it will be in interesting to see how it all unfolds. PP is quite the guy who after opening door returned to attacker. Unless of course the two were standing next to door and PP used his free hand to open door and depape instantly hit PP before police could intervene.

Once you've seen how it all unfolds please check back as I've not seen one person pushing wild theories that have already been debunked, acknowledge their error, instead all they do is deflect and move onto another detail that can be picked apart despite the overwhelming evidence already there.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It makes perfect sense that PP opened the door for police and then went for the hammer instead of letting police handle it.

It also makes perfect sense that Paul Pelosi was able to open the door and was immediately attacked by the intruder before the police could enter and assess the situation.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

It also makes perfect sense that Paul Pelosi was able to open the door and was immediately attacked by the intruder before the police could enter and assess the situation.

It will be interesting.....

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

It also makes perfect sense that Paul Pelosi was able to open the door and was immediately attacked by the intruder before the police could enter and assess the situation.

As police said in the court filing "in the moment" the attack occurred. Of course he misses that

[LosLobo]

Here is the Conspirator-in-Chief live....

 

 

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Here is the Conspirator-in-Chief live....

 

 

The insecure narcissist will take any opportunity to insert his name in any story.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Here is the Conspirator-in-Chief live....

 

 

I am not sure it's a good tactic for Trump and the MAGA world.

 

If they have kept silent, this event would made the news for one week, and then would have been more or less forgotten. 

 

Now, thanks to the barrage of denials and conspiracy loonies by Trump and his allies, it's importance has been hugely amplified. It will remain at the center of the public's attention for weeks.

 

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The insecure narcissist will take any opportunity to insert his name in any story.

And if folks stopped giving him their attention, maybe he'll go away.

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Here is the Conspirator-in-Chief live....

 

 

Uncouth and undignified behavior and cringey to think he was a former President of a highly developed country. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

And if folks stopped giving him their attention, maybe he'll go away.

Trump's got a lot of loon followers, when he spreads conspiracy theories they listen and act. You may have noticed.

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Maybe the perception is derieved from the fact that David DePape was a Maga conspiracy nut and you have been hyper active in deflecting for him and tacitly backed his conspiracy theories. 

Or maybe I have done nothing of the sort and you are creating a straw man while attempting to slur me with the MAGA label, simply because you cannot present a coherent argument to disprove any of my perfectly logical and legitimate points.

[Yankeesvsredsox]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump's got a lot of loon followers, when he spreads conspiracy theories they listen and act. You may have noticed.

To be fair!
Apparently the left also has some baggage to! There wasn't much fuss 

when a guy went to assassinate a Sc justice after the roe v wade leak and then this below 

“That’s right,” Pelosi told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell when asked to address her comments about Trump on January 6. “I would have punched him out. I said I would have punched him out. I would have gone to jail. And I would have been happy to do so.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/18/politics/nancy-pelosi-trump-punch/index.html

Edited November 2, 2022 by Yankeesvsredsox

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Nothing mentions who opened the door.

Actually, as Candide has posted above, the FBI affidavit in support of the federal charges on page 7 quotes DePape as saying it was Pelosi who opened the door, similar to what other news accounts and officials have reported.

 

Again, this is DePape's account as reported by the FBI:

 

"The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. ...

f. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the hammer towards Pelosi."

 

The narrative description by the DOJ in announcing the federal charges has a more general description:

 

"According to the complaint, minutes after the 911 call, two police officers responded to the Pelosi residence where they encountered Paul Pelosi and DePape struggling over a hammer. Officers told the men to drop the hammer, and DePape allegedly gained control of the hammer and swung it, striking Pelosi in the head."

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-charged-assault-and-attempted-kidnapping-following-breaking-and-entering-pelosi-residence

 

Pelosi Charges-Affidavit - Depape says Pelosi opened door.pdf

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

To be fair!
Apparently the left also has some baggage to! There wasn't much fuss 

when a guy went to assassinate a Sc justice after the roe v wade leak and then this below 

“That’s right,” Pelosi told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell when asked to address her comments about Trump on January 6. “I would have punched him out. I said I would have punched him out. I would have gone to jail. And I would have been happy to do so.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/18/politics/nancy-pelosi-trump-punch/index.html

Nancy threatening to punch trump is not exactly comparable especially when that statement was made while she was trapped inside of Captiol Hill while the riots were going on. 

 

But if you really want to be fair then don't miss out the many examples of right wing baggage eh.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

19 minutes ago, Yankeesvsredsox said:

To be fair!
Apparently the left also has some baggage to! There wasn't much fuss 

when a guy went to assassinate a Sc justice after the roe v wade leak and then this below 

“That’s right,” Pelosi told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell when asked to address her comments about Trump on January 6. “I would have punched him out. I said I would have punched him out. I would have gone to jail. And I would have been happy to do so.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/18/politics/nancy-pelosi-trump-punch/index.html

You are not wrong when you said left and right have committed political violence. However left wing terror have decreased dramtically in the 1980s while the frequency and lethality of the right-wing, separatists and anti abortion terror increased, a trend that has continue. Threats of political violence mostly by the right-wingers have increased tenfold in the last 5 years since Trump's election with 9,625 incidents documented in 2020. 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/10/29/23428956/political-attacks-increasing-far-right-congress-pelosi

[onthedarkside]

Conservative Figures Spread Baseless Claims About Attack on Paul Pelosi

"A man armed with a hammer broke into the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and fractured the skull of her husband, Paul. Some conservative figures — including Donald Trump Jr. — have shared social media posts claiming with no evidence and contrary to police reports that the man was a prostitute known to Paul Pelosi. He wasn’t."

 

(more)

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/11/conservative-figures-spread-baseless-claims-about-attack-on-paul-pelosi/

 

[onthedarkside]

Donald Trump joins the Paul Pelosi conspiracy caucus

(CNN)  — Just days removed from the assault on Paul Pelosi, Donald Trump is throwing in his lot with the conspiracy caucus on what actually happened in the attack.

 

Trump was asked about the attack during an interview with conservative radio host Chris Stigall on Tuesday. To be clear, what follows from the former president is nonsense and officials have gone on the record to denounce conspiracy theories like this.

 

(more)

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/donald-trump-paul-pelosi-reaction

 

[onthedarkside]

Accused Pelosi attacker’s history shows blurry lines of radicalization

David DePape’s online extremism mutated across fringe movements. Analysts say this “side switching” is increasingly common

 

The path that led an attacker to the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was long and meandering, with evidence suggesting that he dabbled in fringe movements of all sorts before embracing the right-wing vilification of Democrats.

 

The complex history of accused attacker David DePape’s radicalization unfolded over more than eight years and several different ideologies, moving from Green Party support and nudist activism, to a hateful mix of racist, anti-Jewish and misogynistic rhetoric, according to terrorism analysts who’ve studied his writings and social media posts.

 

They say DePape’s evolving beliefs show how today’s extremist threat complicates easy left-right categorization, a shift that’s confusing to the public and a bonanza for trolls who exploit the messiness to push disinformation and justify violence.

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/31/david-depape-pelosi-online-radicalization/

 

[candide]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Once you've seen how it all unfolds please check back as I've not seen one person pushing wild theories that have already been debunked, acknowledge their error, instead all they do is deflect and move onto another detail that can be picked apart despite the overwhelming evidence already there.

Actually, I'm wondering why the MAGA politicians are getting so nervous about it and make such a massive barrage of  denials and fake news? What do they fear exactly?

[onthedarkside]

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[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Accused Pelosi attacker’s history shows blurry lines of radicalization

David DePape’s online extremism mutated across fringe movements. Analysts say this “side switching” is increasingly common

 

The path that led an attacker to the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was long and meandering, with evidence suggesting that he dabbled in fringe movements of all sorts before embracing the right-wing vilification of Democrats.

 

The complex history of accused attacker David DePape’s radicalization unfolded over more than eight years and several different ideologies, moving from Green Party support and nudist activism, to a hateful mix of racist, anti-Jewish and misogynistic rhetoric, according to terrorism analysts who’ve studied his writings and social media posts.

 

They say DePape’s evolving beliefs show how today’s extremist threat complicates easy left-right categorization, a shift that’s confusing to the public and a bonanza for trolls who exploit the messiness to push disinformation and justify violence.

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/31/david-depape-pelosi-online-radicalization/

 

This actually sounds reasonable to me. The guy was strung out and mentally unstable, to put it charitably. Quite a good fit in the world of Berkley activism.    It will take some time to unravel it all, that's for sure.  Anyone who claims that they KNOW what motivated him already is not worth taking seriously. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

This actually sounds reasonable to me. The guy was strung out and mentally unstable, to put it charitably. Quite a good fit in the world of Berkley activism.    It will take some time to unravel it all, that's for sure.  Anyone who claims that they KNOW what motivated him already is not worth taking seriously. 

 

The suspect had been living in the Bay Area community of Richmond -- not Berkeley -- in recent years, as detailed in the FBI affidavit supporting the federal criminal charges against him.

 

And, his motivation has been pretty clearly established as well, again from the same charging documents and his own statements to authorities. To wit:

 

"In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE."

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download

 

Along with his recent postings and writings showing his true MAGA colors. He was checking all the key boxes, as per CNN below....

 

"The man who allegedly attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband early Friday posted memes and conspiracy theories on Facebook about Covid vaccines, the 2020 election and the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, and an acquaintance told CNN that he seemed “out of touch with reality.”

...

Last year, David DePape posted links on his Facebook page to multiple videos produced by My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell falsely alleging that the 2020 election was stolen. Other posts included transphobic images and linked to websites claiming Covid vaccines were deadly."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alleged-paul-pelosi-attacker-posted-multiple-conspiracy-theories/ar-AA13uLaM

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The suspect had been living in the Bay Area community of Richmond -- not Berkeley -- in recent years, as detailed in the FBI affidavit supporting the federal criminal charges against him.

 

And, his motivation has been pretty clearly established as well, again from the same charging documents and his own statements to authorities. To wit:

 

"In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he
wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE."

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1548106/download

 

He also talked to faeries and was trying to find housing for them... talked to angels too.  

 

The police report is just the surface of the situation. This guy has been unhinged for more than a decade.

[Scott]

Capitol Police had a camera feed of Pelosi's home during attack, but no one was monitoring it

WASHINGTON — U.S. Capitol Police had a camera feed showing the outside of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's, D-Calif., home in San Francisco during the attack on her husband Friday, but no one was monitoring it at the time, two sources familiar with the situation said.

The camera is one of about 1,800 at the Capitol complex and around the country that the Capitol Police have the ability to monitor. The Washington Post first reported no one was actively watching the camera feed when the break-in occurred early Friday morning.

Pelosi's home is monitored full time when she is there, however. “She is the mission,” one of the sources told NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/capitol-police-camera-feed-pelosis-home-attack-no-one-was-monitoring-rcna55213

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

36 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

He also talked to faeries and was trying to find housing for them... talked to angels too.  

And he also believed Donald Trump and Mike Lindell's lies about the outcome of the presidential election. Not surprising that the suspect here also would be talking to faeries and angels.

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 minutes ago, Scott said:

Pelosi's home is monitored full time when she is there, however. “She is the mission,” one of the sources told NBC News.

 

For the good of all concerned, hopefully the authorities involved/Capitol Police had better re-think their narrow assumptions...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

56 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

For the good of all concerned, hopefully the authorities involved/Capitol Police had better re-think their narrow assumptions...

 

"Capitol Police said the agency has launched a review of security in the wake of the Pelosi incident.

 

“We believe today’s political climate calls for more resources to provide additional layers of physical security for Members of Congress," Capitol Police Chief Tom Manger said in a statement. "This plan would include an emphasis on adding redundancies to the measures that are already in place for congressional leadership."

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-pelosi-attacker-evaded-cameras-security-police-to-get-inside-her-home-beat-husband/ar-AA13ETfr

[candide]

5 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Accused Pelosi attacker’s history shows blurry lines of radicalization

David DePape’s online extremism mutated across fringe movements. Analysts say this “side switching” is increasingly common

 

The path that led an attacker to the home of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was long and meandering, with evidence suggesting that he dabbled in fringe movements of all sorts before embracing the right-wing vilification of Democrats.

 

The complex history of accused attacker David DePape’s radicalization unfolded over more than eight years and several different ideologies, moving from Green Party support and nudist activism, to a hateful mix of racist, anti-Jewish and misogynistic rhetoric, according to terrorism analysts who’ve studied his writings and social media posts.

 

They say DePape’s evolving beliefs show how today’s extremist threat complicates easy left-right categorization, a shift that’s confusing to the public and a bonanza for trolls who exploit the messiness to push disinformation and justify violence.

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/31/david-depape-pelosi-online-radicalization/

 

Actually, it's not an uncommon pattern, also in other countries, that former supporters of extreme left-wing or alternative movements later switch to extreme right-wing.