Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Bluespunk]

30 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There comes a point where you have to accept the result, accept it has happened and move on .

   Accept the UK isn't in the E,U anymore and get on with life and go forwards  

 To keep talking about whether it was the right or wrong decision is rather pointless now and its a waste of time to try and convince Leavers they were wrong .

   Move on , the U.K has moved on 

Brexit logic personified. Don’t talk about the mess brexit has caused and no one will notice. 
 

‘tis to laugh. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Bluespunk
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[Saanim]

7 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Never been interested in EU never wanted to join it.

Terrible idea cultures not same. 

The idea of EU was never to unify cultures - what for? But to unify and create a strong economy entity that could be on a par with other strong entities.  (obviously to their dismay...)    

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

The idea of EU was never to unify cultures - what for? But to unify and create a strong economy entity that could be on a par with other strong entities.  (obviously to their dismay...)    

Bit it got massively conflated by a Brexit lobby that relied on the UKs natural xenophobia. We fought the Germans and Italians, we rescued the French and those Spanish/Greeks are just lazy letharios. You know,   “if it wasn’t for us you’d all be goose stepping around your living room” type of thinking. 
And even now a Brexit fan finds it difficult to admit his xenophobia, preferring statements like “terrible idea, cultures not same”. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

No. Just no. 
So you’re not allowed to change your mind once you see how bad your decision was? In there lies madness. Brexit was a horrible decision made by individuals not equipped to know the full consequences of their decision but blinded by xenophobia and/or racism and a Little Britain mentality. It had to be that because it certainly wasn’t anything sensible. It wasn’t based on inclusiveness or moving the world forward and it certainly wasn’t based on economics. 
There comes a point where you have to accept the result was wrong, accept is was wrong and move on to correcting it. 

Have you thought about moving back to the U.K and seeing how the U.K is post Brexit ?

   You will get a more balanced view if you see it and live it first hand , rather than viewing and commenting from the other side of the World ?

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, DezLez said:

What a pointless post!

 

I know, as do most of the members of this forum, that I am wasting my time asking this question, but just for one last time, would you please give a constructive answer to any of my previous questions! 

In particular this post of mine; 

"Reliable information has an attributable, quotable and verifiable source. 

 

A "leaked" source does not meet that standard until the source of the leak is uncovered and either confirmed as true or found to be false.

 

What is the verifiable source of your leak please?

It’s a leak ( by definition anonymous), it was widely reported and Rees-Mogg among others took it seriously.

 

If you don’t think it a matter of concern, don’t let it bother you.

 

But take note ( or disregard if you wish) the criticisms of Brexit from business leaders, from former backers of Brexit, from the critical financial sector party and within the media are very steadily growing.

 

Polls on public opinion are drifting against Brexit and towards re-joining the EU.

 

The UK is in desperate need of economic growth and the Chancellor of the Exchequer has clearly stated ‘unfettered trade with the UK’s closest neighbours would be good for growth’.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you thought about moving back to the U.K and seeing how the U.K is post Brexit ?

   You will get a more balanced view if you see it and live it first hand , rather than viewing and commenting from the other side of the World ?

I was there all this summer, it was a shocking experience.

 

What a mess the place has become.

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Bit it got massively conflated by a Brexit lobby that relied on the UKs natural xenophobia. We fought the Germans and Italians, we rescued the French and those Spanish/Greeks are just lazy letharios. You know,   “if it wasn’t for us you’d all be goose stepping around your living room” type of thinking. 
And even now a Brexit fan finds it difficult to admit his xenophobia, preferring statements like “terrible idea, cultures not same”. 

I blame all those black and white movies that were fed to the Brexit voting generations as they grew up.

 

 

[puchooay]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why do you miss out BREXIT I wonder?

Because I gave the causes. 

[puchooay]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I was there all this summer, it was a shocking experience.

 

What a mess the place has become.

That may be true where you live, not where I do. 

 

Alot of what is in the media is exaggerated.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, puchooay said:

That may be true where you live, not where I do. 

 

Alot of what is in the media is exaggerated.

Its OK where I live as well . 

Surprisingly OK actually , the poorer people are currently being looked after with cost of living payments , energy bill help and food from food banks if hungry and low unemployment as well .

   Inflation is a problem and that needs to be solved , seems like the only people moaning and complaining are those that don't live in the UK and live abroad 

[DezLez]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a leak ( by definition anonymous), it was widely reported and Rees-Mogg among others took it seriously.

 

If you don’t think it a matter of concern, don’t let it bother you.

 

But take note ( or disregard if you wish) the criticisms of Brexit from business leaders, from former backers of Brexit, from the critical financial sector party and within the media are very steadily growing.

 

Polls on public opinion are drifting against Brexit and towards re-joining the EU.

 

The UK is in desperate need of economic growth and the Chancellor of the Exchequer has clearly stated ‘unfettered trade with the UK’s closest neighbours would be good for growth’.

 

 

 

Try actually answering a question without your usual BS;

Please answer this question, with an actual answer, which I have asked before. 

 I will keep asking until you do!

 

Reliable information has an attributable, quotable and verifiable source. 

A "leaked" source does not meet that standard until the source of the leak is uncovered and either confirmed as true or found to be false.

What is the verifiable source of your leak please?

[Bluespunk]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its OK where I live as well . 

Surprisingly OK actually , the poorer people are currently being looked after with cost of living payments , energy bill help and food from food banks if hungry and low unemployment as well .

   Inflation is a problem and that needs to be solved , seems like the only people moaning and complaining are those that don't live in the UK and live abroad 

Not true. 
 

Plenty of people in the U.K. quite rightly complaining. 
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/25/cost-of-living-crisis-hitting-england-most-deprived-area-hardest-spending-less-food-ons-survey

Edited November 27, 2022 by Bluespunk
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[johnnybangkok]

30 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its OK where I live as well . 

Surprisingly OK actually , the poorer people are currently being looked after with cost of living payments , energy bill help and food from food banks if hungry and low unemployment as well .

   Inflation is a problem and that needs to be solved , seems like the only people moaning and complaining are those that don't live in the UK and live abroad 

Cost of living payments cannot go on forever, neither can help with energy bills and why on earth should a prosperous country have its people relying on food banks? Talk about not looking even slightly into the future. 
The train drivers are on strike as are the teachers of Scotland, postal workers, college lecturers, ground handlers, nurses and about 100,000 civil servants. There is massive unrest in many other professions. 
With the ridiculous utopia you keep trying to present, I indeed wonder what closeted existence you’re living. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by johnnybangkok

[Scott]

Troll post and replies reported and removed.  Continue and face a suspension.  Anyone with a relevant comment is permitted to post, whether they live in the UK or not. 

 

[RayC]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its OK where I live as well . 

Surprisingly OK actually , the poorer people are currently being looked after with cost of living payments , energy bill help and food from food banks if hungry and low unemployment as well .

   Inflation is a problem and that needs to be solved , seems like the only people moaning and complaining are those that don't live in the UK and live abroad 

If things are so peachy and the public so contended, how do you explain the Government's lack of popularity in the polls?

 

I've got an idea that polls are bias, inaccurate, etc will figure somewhere in the answer.

[Scott]

Final notice.  Continue trolling and face a suspension.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do elaborate :

   What are the USA ideas/cultures that dominate the UK ?

Seems too obvious for me to bother giving specifics other than the proliferation of American style ( and branded ) fast food outlets. Does Britain have no equivalent of maccers or BK?

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, Saanim said:

If you did not understand what I remarked to your idea of "more EU leaving countries", perhaps you should try to find (on YT or else) an assessment of EU by Polish EMP prof. Legutko he presented this week (in good English) to EU assembly at celebration to 70 years of EU.

He called it: Two Minutes of Bitter Truth to the EU Parliament   (actually, it took him 4 minutes for which he was reprimanded by the not so happy EU president lady)

Thanks, I could only find this:

https://poland.postsen.com/world/139927/Two-minutes-of-bitter-truth-in-the-European-Parliament-Ryszard-Legutko-The-EP-has-done-a-lot-of-damage-in-Europe.html

 

From which comes this quote:

"Call it what you will, but it is not a democracy. In conclusion, the European Parliament represents a demos that does not exist, works on a project that is completely unrealistic, evades responsibility, turns its back on millions of people and serves the interests of a single political orientation. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg". – emphasized Professor Ryszard Legutko.

 

Several similar complaints over the years and I agree, of course.

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by nauseus

[roo860]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems too obvious for me to bother giving specifics other than the proliferation of American style ( and branded ) fast food outlets. Does Britain have no equivalent of maccers or BK?

In the town I lived in up until this year, 15 Indian and kebab restaurant/takeaways and 1 Macdonalds, that's without about 10 Chinese restaurant/takeaways.

That's a town of about 22,000 people.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It would only take one example to prove you wrong, here’s seven for good measure:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/27/brexit-has-made-britain-the-sick-man-of-europe-again

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/latest/brexit

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/politics/uk_leaves_the_eu

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11468625/NATO-ally-Belgiums-eco-party-uses-Brexit-rules-BLOCK-export-critical-nuclear-arms-tech-UK.html

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/26/brexit-should-have-gone-swiss-now-have-no-option-go-singaporean/

 

https://www.ft.com/content/75a84b97-d0d4-4117-b20f-ea4323ff637c

 

https://www.itv.com/news/brexit

 

 

And yes, these are the ‘Consequences of Brexit’.

 

Brexit has happened, the UK is now facing the consequences.

 

 

 

These magnificent seven are not a good measure of anything.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Was she in favour of the U.K being in the E.U ?

Yes. Then she changed het mind.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Xenophobia rears it’s ugly head once again. 

When you run out of cards, I've got a fresh deck for you.

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Bit it got massively conflated by a Brexit lobby that relied on the UKs natural xenophobia. We fought the Germans and Italians, we rescued the French and those Spanish/Greeks are just lazy letharios. You know,   “if it wasn’t for us you’d all be goose stepping around your living room” type of thinking. 
And even now a Brexit fan finds it difficult to admit his xenophobia, preferring statements like “terrible idea, cultures not same”. 

What has this rubbish got to do with the reasoning for forming the EU?

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, roo860 said:

In the town I lived in up until this year, 15 Indian and kebab restaurant/takeaways and 1 Macdonalds, that's without about 10 Chinese restaurant/takeaways.

That's a town of about 22,000 people.

No chippies?

[itsari]

On 11/12/2022 at 7:58 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Easy. They stopped making things that people want to buy and went for the "financial" markets, whatever they may be.

Also, they let in loads of people that contribute nothing to the country, but suck the economy like leeches.

 

Wasted north sea oil. They should have been like Norway.

 

Keep throwing money at the NHS instead of making it only about what it was supposed to do. Gordon Brown wasted 6 billion quid on it. Sacking 70% of the managers would be a good start.

 

Apparently 3 generations living on the dole up north.

 

Tony Blair and joining the US war in Iraq.

 

The mistakes of the past are coming back to bite them on the bum.

You never mentioned the exit from the European Union as one of the reasons for the UK slip in prosperity . 

In my opinion that is the main reason and the reasons you mention are not real . 

[roo860]

24 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No chippies?

6, that's what I miss, pudding, chips and gravy.

Edited November 27, 2022 by roo860

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, puchooay said:

That may be true where you live, not where I do. 

 

Alot of what is in the media is exaggerated.

I wasn’t relying on anything in the media, I was seeing it firsthand.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its OK where I live as well . 

Surprisingly OK actually , the poorer people are currently being looked after with cost of living payments , energy bill help and food from food banks if hungry and low unemployment as well .

   Inflation is a problem and that needs to be solved , seems like the only people moaning and complaining are those that don't live in the UK and live abroad 

All peachy then.

 

Until you need a Dentist, a GP appointment, the Police to attend a crime in progress, care in old age, a job that pays a living wage, an affordable home.

 

All peachy, and when it’s not there are food banks used by working people who can’t afford food.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Thanks, I could only find this:

https://poland.postsen.com/world/139927/Two-minutes-of-bitter-truth-in-the-European-Parliament-Ryszard-Legutko-The-EP-has-done-a-lot-of-damage-in-Europe.html

 

From which comes this quote:

"Call it what you will, but it is not a democracy. In conclusion, the European Parliament represents a demos that does not exist, works on a project that is completely unrealistic, evades responsibility, turns its back on millions of people and serves the interests of a single political orientation. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg". – emphasized Professor Ryszard Legutko.

 

Several similar complaints over the years and I agree, of course.

 

And yet ....

https://theconversation.com/the-polish-people-support-the-eu-its-their-government-that-continues-to-antagonise-brussels-170324

 

If you don't want to read all of the article, one part states that support for the EU among the Polish public stood at 88% in December 2020, and has never dipped below 72%.

 

A pretty emphatic vote of confidence wouldn't you agree?

 

How did the golf go? Did you win?

[RayC]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Yes. Then she changed het mind.

Bit more nuanced than that.

 

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatcher-the-critical-architect-of-european-integration/

 

Unless there's a medium on the job, I guess that we will never know.