Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/22/2022 at 6:41 PM, Bluespunk said:

They expect people to not make arguments they are unable to refute. 

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Surprised you said that the UK is much better off than many countries.

 

Rejoiners are commical IMO.

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/22/2022 at 7:11 PM, Bluespunk said:

People are showing you how brexit has contributed to the uks economic woes.
 

As a brexiteer it isn’t surprising you don’t want to hear this but it is true nonetheless.   

 

It is also on topic. 

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Economic woes were known going back over it still doesn't convince many people it will be good for the future.

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/22/2022 at 9:28 PM, kwilco said:

So Brexiteers expect the UK not to struggle when the country is faced with Covid, war and energy inflation

When they have taken away a free market, free trade and freedom of movement?

 

Brexiteers – how can anyone expect a country to do better in those circumstances??? How one earth can you justify  that?

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So when Brexit was still in the early stages you knew about covid and a war about to kick off and then use it to talk about it like other ludicrous dreaming rejoiners.

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:18 AM, Kwasaki said:

Surprised you said that the UK is much better off than many countries.

 

Rejoiners are commical IMO.

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I didn’t say that. What gave you that impression?

 

I don’t really see why what think about remainers or brexiteers is relevant to this thread to be honest. 

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:25 AM, Kwasaki said:

Economic woes were known going back over it still doesn't convince many people it will be good for the future.

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My post was simply pointing out that brexiteers shouldn’t complain about posters referring to the negative economic impact of brexit. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 5:44 AM, ozimoron said:

Good luck finding companies which will accept a forward contract denominated in any other currency. The main reason is that most international companies' debt is written in US dollars.

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Can you see now what you just said about the US dollar. 

 

Even poor old now Gaddafi country got bombed for wanted to drop the dollar.

[ozimoron]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:39 AM, Kwasaki said:

Can you see now what you just said about the US dollar. 

 

Even poor old now Gaddafi country got bombed for wanted to drop the dollar.

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Stop this nonsense. Libya got bombed in response to a terrorist act.

 

source: wiki

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:04 AM, superal said:

Your last paragraph could happen but the first paragraph , the Russian tale has many chapters to come and once the Russian people know the truth about recent events , including sanctions that will effect them , they may oppose their government and seek a change in the way their country is run and review the ways of communism which is isolating their country .

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Maybe but as usual like most posters you think like a westerner and not the possibilities of what could happen outside the box. 

 

It will take time for a culture to change IMO.

How long has it been trying to better relations with Russia.

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:41 AM, ozimoron said:

Stop this nonsense. Libya got bombed in response to a terrorist act.

 

source: wiki

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Agree always the usual excuse. 

[ozimoron]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:50 AM, Kwasaki said:

Agree always the usual excuse. 

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Where's the link to your claim?

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:33 AM, Bluespunk said:

I didn’t say that. What gave you that impression?

 

I don’t really see why what think about remainers or brexiteers is relevant to this thread to be honest. 

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Did you not insinuate the UK is worse off as in the OP's thread, in answer to another poster. 

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:57 AM, Kwasaki said:

Did you not insinuate the UK is worse off as in the OP's thread, in answer to another poster. 

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You claimed that I said the U.K. is better off than other countries in the post you quoted. 
 

You wrote

 

”Surprised you said that the UK is much better off than many countries.”

 

I didn’t say this. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:51 AM, ozimoron said:

Where's the link to your claim?

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The gold link is off topic. 

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 7:04 AM, Bluespunk said:

You claimed that I said the U.K. is better off than other countries in the post you quoted. 
 

You wrote

 

”Surprised you said that the UK is much better off than many countries.”

 

I didn’t say this. 

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OK. 

[superal]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:48 AM, Kwasaki said:

Maybe but as usual like most posters you think like a westerner and not the possibilities of what could happen outside the box. 

 

It will take time for a culture to change IMO.

How long has it been trying to better relations with Russia.

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Well the Ukraine folk are very much aligned with the Russian race . It has not taken long for them to become westernised . Also to apply for E.U. membership . When the dust settles the Russian folk will be able to understand the free world of the Ukraine people  many of whom they are related to .

[puchooay]

  On 12/23/2022 at 2:18 AM, sandyf said:

This is a fundamental problem among unionists, the perception that the right to self determination was taken away in 2014.

You would have plenty to say if were never allowed to reconsider a decision, just think of the savings in closing the divorce courts.

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I'm not a unionists 

 

Please refer to my most recent post.

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 7:15 AM, superal said:

Well the Ukraine folk are very much aligned with the Russian race . It has not taken long for them to become westernised . Also to apply for E.U. membership . When the dust settles the Russian folk will be able to understand the free world of the Ukraine people  many of whom they are related to .

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Well let's hope that happens.

[sandyf]

  On 12/23/2022 at 5:41 AM, Kwasaki said:

It would not surprise me to see the likes of China, Iran, Turkey and Russia plus some others cutting themselves off from the US dollar controversial world. 

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That has been under way for many years with BRICS and CIPS.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS#:~:text=BRICS is an acronym for,%2C China%2C and South Africa.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Border_Interbank_Payment_System

[sandyf]

  On 12/23/2022 at 7:18 AM, puchooay said:

I'm not a unionists.

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You obviously do not agree with independence so a closet unionist then -  your words I believe.

 

"So, when have the Scottish Parliament decided to have the next referendum? Oh. Hang on a minute. They can't.

 

There really is no point in trying to argue about it.

 

Scotland did not (could not) vote on remaining in the EU. They didn't have an independent vote.

 

Scottish Parliament cannot lawfully hold a referendum as and when they please.

 

Scotland do not have a fully independent Parliament, if they did they wouldn't keep complaining about Westminster.

 

They don't have their own currency.

 

They don't have an independent legal system.

 

If it were up to me I would give Scotland independence. No ifs or buts. Just leave. No money, no support, no pensions, no funding. I doubt, however, the Scottish would vote for that."

[puchooay]

  On 12/23/2022 at 8:33 AM, sandyf said:

You obviously do not agree with independence so a closet unionist then -  your words I believe.

 

"So, when have the Scottish Parliament decided to have the next referendum? Oh. Hang on a minute. They can't.

 

There really is no point in trying to argue about it.

 

Scotland did not (could not) vote on remaining in the EU. They didn't have an independent vote.

 

Scottish Parliament cannot lawfully hold a referendum as and when they please.

 

Scotland do not have a fully independent Parliament, if they did they wouldn't keep complaining about Westminster.

 

They don't have their own currency.

 

They don't have an independent legal system.

 

If it were up to me I would give Scotland independence. No ifs or buts. Just leave. No money, no support, no pensions, no funding. I doubt, however, the Scottish would vote for that."

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Nope. Not a unionists at all. 

 

Just because I state facts, it doesn't nske me a unionists.

 

You can cut Scotland away and tow it to the Arctic Circle, as far as I'm concerned.

[candide]

  On 12/23/2022 at 5:41 AM, Kwasaki said:

That will have to be seen to be believed, I believe it will take decades before Russia to change.

 

It would not surprise me to see the likes of China, Iran, Turkey and Russia plus some others cutting themselves off from the US dollar controversial world. 

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It's a challenging idea but doesn't fit the economic reality. Trade between these countries is not significant. They trade mainly with countries using the dollar or euro for trade. Ex trade between China and Russia weights peanuts.

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A measurement more significant than GDP has been overlooked in this discussion. A much better way to evaluate how the British economy is to look at wages. And the news there isn't good

 

https://www.ft.com/content/b2154c20-c9d0-4209-9a47-95d114d31f2b

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 12/23/2022 at 8:33 AM, sandyf said:

 

Scotland do not have a fully independent Parliament, if they did they wouldn't keep complaining about Westminster.

 

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Scotland has its own Parliament, Holyrood , England doesn't have its own Parliament 

 

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/flash-of-anger-silences-holyrood-in-gender-bill-debate-dm656gqts

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 9:35 AM, candide said:

It's a challenging idea but doesn't fit the economic reality. Trade between these countries is not significant. They trade mainly with countries using the dollar or euro for trade. Ex trade between China and Russia weights peanuts.

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Maybe, we will see what the future will be I guess. 

It's a sad world today that could be of avoided IMO had the pass been dealt with, with more understanding. 

[nauseus]

  On 12/22/2022 at 9:31 PM, kwilco said:

Brexit is like having your library being burnt down by people who can't read

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shhhhh

[nauseus]

  On 12/23/2022 at 2:25 AM, sandyf said:

So tell us what happens to "Belfast" in a 7 year interval?

 

The government decided 7 years was an appropriate interval regarding another referendum on self determination.

Obviously you feel that interval was only appropriate for NI and not Scotland, which would in fact make it discrimination.

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The Belfast Agreement concerns NI, not Scotland. It is a political agreement and nothing to do with what I feel is appropriate. What I do feel is that your use of the word discrimination here is inflammatory.

[nauseus]

  On 12/23/2022 at 6:33 AM, Bluespunk said:

I didn’t say that. What gave you that impression?

 

I don’t really see why what think about remainers or brexiteers is relevant to this thread to be honest. 

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You didn't say that either!

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 12/23/2022 at 5:33 AM, Kwasaki said:

I agree England should not rule over ScottIsh people if they no longer want to be part of the UK. 

 

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England doesn't currently rule over Scotland though , its a Union between four Countries , like, the United Kingdom

[Bluespunk]

  On 12/23/2022 at 1:04 PM, nauseus said:

You didn't say that either!

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Yeah, funny that.
 

Two unfounded incorrect claims on my posts.

 

Good job I’m not paranoid eh…besides only one was doing so to wriggle out of being proved wrong…

[Kwasaki]

  On 12/23/2022 at 1:09 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

England doesn't currently rule over Scotland though , its a Union between four Countries , like, the United Kingdom

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That is not the point. 

UK didn't want control from EU, Scotland did, so let them be independent and join EU mafia.