Scott Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 In the early 2020 days of the pandemic, when most of the world was desperately implementing lockdowns and trying to limit the damage, one country stood out. Unlike its peers, Sweden didn’t want to lock down, and it didn’t really want masks and social distancing. Instead, the country championed a different approach that many saw (or wanted to see) as an alternative. The “Swedish model” became hotly debated, with many anti-lockdown advocates citing it as an example. https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces/remember-the-infamous-swedish-pandemic-model-turns-out-it-really-didnt-work/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scubascuba3 Posted November 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) I haven't bothered to read the link but how's extreme lockdown working for China? Edited November 15, 2022 by scubascuba3 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Quelle Surprise 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 would a reputable publication put "infamous" in the title of article? At some stage sweden was on position 8 for mortality pe 100k. But the countries above sweden had lockdowns and restrictions. That included the usa and uk, which introduced measures late, because of ideological ground. So maybe they were lucky to have strong viking genes or whatever other factor. Their attitude was calculated on medical experience. And it worked, to some extent. With popular support from population. I think it's still too early to judge them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Sweden must have saved a load of money not locking down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorry Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: I haven't bothered to read the link but how's extreme lockdown working for China? It's working very well. Saved 1,500,000 Chinese lives. Expensive, though Of course, the West is furious. The West wants the Chinese working on the assembly lines to manufacture iphones for the West. The West didn't care that more than 1.5m Americans and Europeans died from Covid, why would the West care if 1.5m Chinese die? BTW zero-covid also serves as a nice excuse for the surveillance state. The West needs to make up other excuses (usually terrorists and pedophiles), which are even more ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lorry said: It's working very well. Saved 1,500,000 Chinese lives. Expensive, though Of course, the West is furious. The West wants the Chinese working on the assembly lines to manufacture iphones for the West. The West didn't care that more than 1.5m Americans and Europeans died from Covid, why would the West care if 1.5m Chinese die? BTW zero-covid also serves as a nice excuse for the surveillance state. The West needs to make up other excuses (usually terrorists and pedophiles), which are even more ridiculous. Expensive I'm sure, could be perpetual lockdown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted November 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2022 11 hours ago, Lorry said: It's working very well. Saved 1,500,000 Chinese lives. Expensive, though Of course, the West is furious. The West wants the Chinese working on the assembly lines to manufacture iphones for the West. The West didn't care that more than 1.5m Americans and Europeans died from Covid, why would the West care if 1.5m Chinese die? BTW zero-covid also serves as a nice excuse for the surveillance state. The West needs to make up other excuses (usually terrorists and pedophiles), which are even more ridiculous. How do you know that 1 1/2 million lives were saved? How many died OF covid as compared to those that died WITH covid? If I misunderstand and you are being sarcastic I apologise. I am very sarcastic about the entire lockdown philosophy. IMO Sweden got it right. I said it at the time and I still believe that. The recent US election was interesting as loads of politicians and their supporters on stages close together and often no mask in sight. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 "pandemic of the vaccinated" Now being reported the vaccinated people are making up the majority of covid deaths in some places. https://www.siasat.com/vaccinated-people-now-make-majority-of-covid-deaths-in-us-report-2464362/?fbclid=IwAR21G4AUO47lBYHd8sdm3smo9Ln-mIDIU2xibMWUTZ4WArENG81zbIb-k7I 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post partington Posted November 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, KhunLA said: "pandemic of the vaccinated" Now being reported the vaccinated people are making up the majority of covid deaths in some places. https://www.siasat.com/vaccinated-people-now-make-majority-of-covid-deaths-in-us-report-2464362/?fbclid=IwAR21G4AUO47lBYHd8sdm3smo9Ln-mIDIU2xibMWUTZ4WArENG81zbIb-k7I Of course they are. Currently about 97% of the US population over 16 has received at least one dose. [https://dig.abclocal.go.com/ccg/interactives/us-vaccine-tracker/vax_us_cdc.html ] If most people are vaccinated and the vaccine has 70% efficacy then 30% of vaccinated people will get the disease and some will die. If 100% of the population have been vaccinated then 100% of people who die of Covid will have been vaccinated. So what. This is self evident. Edited November 24, 2022 by partington 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, partington said: Of course they are. Currently about 97% of the US population over 16 has received at least one dose. [https://dig.abclocal.go.com/ccg/interactives/us-vaccine-tracker/vax_us_cdc.html ] If most people are vaccinated and the vaccine has 70% efficacy then 30% of vaccinated people will get the disease and some will die. If 100% of the population have been vaccinated then 100% of people who die of Covid will have been vaccinated. So what. This is self evident. "At least 262,908,216 people or 79% of the population have received at least one dose. Overall, 224,113,439 people or 68% of the population are considered fully vaccinated. Additionally, 108,806,974 people or 33% of the population have received a booster dose." https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states IMHO, wouldn't exactly call that effective. 2/3 fully vax'd but vax'd still account for more than 1/2 the deaths Edited November 24, 2022 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partington Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, KhunLA said: "At least 262,908,216 people or 79% of the population have received at least one dose. Overall, 224,113,439 people or 68% of the population are considered fully vaccinated. Additionally, 108,806,974 people or 33% of the population have received a booster dose." https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states IMHO, wouldn't exactly call that effective. 2/3 fully vax'd but vax'd still account for more than 1/2 the deaths Ineffective is in the eye of the beholder I suppose: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter zwart Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Well then lets step over on the chinese model. That seems to work good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Once infected with anti-vax / anti-public health fever then there really is no cure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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