Lady Susan Hussey quits over remarks to charity boss Ngozi Fulani

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, ozimoron said:

No. I never repost links for recalcitrants who refused to read it the first time.

Which page was the link posted, I will scroll back and have a look 

[Scott]

A few off-topic, troll posts have been removed.  Continue and face a suspension.  Please stay on topic.

 

[Puccini]

On 12/1/2022 at 6:34 AM, ozimoron said:

Yes, the well mannered Fulani offered her an off ramp but she was too dimwitted to take it and instead continued her racist attack.

To Fulani's answer "No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.", Lady Hussey replied "Oh so you're from..."

 

Fulani's transcript ends there, not finishing the sentence of that last reply from Lady Hussey. I would not conclude from those last few quoted words that Lady Hussey "continued her racist attack"

[Puccini]

I wonder, did Fulani recount her conversation with Lady Hussey from memory or was it a transcription she made from a sound recording with a hidden recorder? Do the news reports shed light on this?

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Puccini said:

To Fulani's answer "No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.", Lady Hussey replied "Oh so you're from..."

 

Fulani's transcript ends there, not finishing the sentence of that last reply from Lady Hussey. I would not conclude from those last few quoted words that Lady Hussey "continued her racist attack"

It really needs to be kept in context and the whole conversation taken into consideration ,

   The prior exchanges were Hussey just enquiring where Ngozi came from and She was reluctant to answer and when she finally answered the discussion continued .

   Some mischievous  people are trying to portray it as a White person going up to a Black person and asking where they are from and when they reply with "U.K" , they ask where they are really from .

  

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It really needs to be kept in context and the whole conversation taken into consideration ,

   The prior exchanges were Hussey just enquiring where Ngozi came from and She was reluctant to answer and when she finally answered the discussion continued .

   Some mischievous  people are trying to portray it as a White person going up to a Black person and asking where they are from and when they reply with "U.K" , they ask where they are really from .

  

Saying “no where do you really come from?” isn’t a discussion, it’s racism in action. 

[Puccini]

On 12/1/2022 at 8:00 AM, Slip said:

You could perhaps forgive this old duffer more easily if it wasn't for this bit:

 

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SH: No, where do you come from?

Me: We’re based in Hackney.

SH: No, what part of Africa are YOU from?

 

 

For a better understanding, I am adding another two lines of the transcript before the three you quoted:

 

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Lady SH: Where are you from?

Me: Sistah Space.

SH: No, where do you come from?

Me: We're based in Hackney.

SH: No, what part of Africa are you from?

 

I don't know why, but I understand the last line to mean "No, I'm not asking where the charity Sistah Space is located. I am wondering from what part of Africa YOU are from"

[Mac Mickmanus]

Ngozi is now claiming that she wasnt protected from the violence at Buckingham Palace 

 

 

 

"I have to really question how this can happen in a space that's supposed to protect women against all kinds of violence.

"Although it's not physical violence - it is an abuse."

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63819482

 

   Lady Hussey also asked another guy Nazir Afzal at the same reception where he came from and with no issues 

 

"Nazir Afzal, former chief prosecutor of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) who was also at the reception, said Lady Hussey also asked him about his heritage once and "seemed to accept my answer - Manchester currently".

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, Puccini said:

 

For a better understanding, I am adding another two lines of the transcript before the three you quoted:

 

I don't know why, but I understand the last line to mean "No, I'm not asking where the charity Sistah Space is located. I am wondering from what part of Africa YOU are from"

Let me add that after the charity worker stated she was British, hussey continued her line of questioning and asked where she “was really from”…

[Mac Mickmanus]

35 minutes ago, Puccini said:

I wonder, did Fulani recount her conversation with Lady Hussey from memory or was it a transcription she made from a sound recording with a hidden recorder? Do the news reports shed light on this?

There have been claims that the conversation was taped by a hidden device , but that hasn't been confirmed 

[proton]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Your English language reading comprehension skills are atrocious.

 

Sistah Space is a London-based organisation that provides support to women victims of domestic violence.

 

Sistah Space is the only domestic violence support organisation in London that provides specialist services to women of African and Caribbean heritage

So why do they need separate 'specialist' services if they are African or Caribbean as opposed to any other race?

[proton]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been claims that the conversation was taped by a hidden device , but that hasn't been confirmed 

Either that or she has a very rare memory ability, or just made most of it up

[Puccini]

On 12/1/2022 at 11:31 PM, ozimoron said:

For those not quite getting the nuances of how racist and out of touch this conversation was:

 

Here is the full conversation, as recounted by Ms Fulani:

Lady SH: Where are you from?

Me: Sistah Space.

SH: No, where do you come from?

Me: We're based in Hackney.

SH: No, what part of Africa are you from?

Me: I don't know, they didn't leave any records.

SH: Well, you must know where you're from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?

Me: Here, the UK.

SH: No, but what nationality are you?

Me: I am born here and am British.

SH: No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?

Me: 'My people', lady, what is this?

SH: Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you're from. When did you first come here?

Me: Lady! I am a British national, my parents came here in the 50s when...

SH: Oh, I knew we'd get there in the end, you're Caribbean!

Me: No lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.

SH: Oh so you're from...

I have the impression that this was not the full conversation.

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory post reported and removed.  

 

[proton]

18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Ngozi says that bruises done show up as much on Black skin and the Police wouldn't believe they had been attacked and that victims  are concerned about reporting any domestic violence because their partner may be killed by Police if incarcerated 

Plenty of black Police officers these days, and bruises do show up on black skin. When was the last time the Police killed a black partner accused of DV? Imagine the fuss if a DV charity was for whites only, she is just making excuses.

[Puccini]

On 12/2/2022 at 7:28 AM, ozimoron said:

Prince William's spokesman said it was racist.

 

The Gardian wrote:

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A spokesperson for the Prince of Wales, who is Lady Hussey’s godson, said the comments were unacceptable and that “racism has no place in our society”.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-aide-resigns-black-guest-traumatised-by-repeated-questioning

 

 

Two days ago, BBC wrote:

 

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A spokesperson for Prince William said "racism has no place in our society".

"The comments were unacceptable, and it is right that the individual has stepped aside with immediate effect," they said.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63810468

 

 

 

One day ago, BBC wrote:

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The palace described the remarks as "unacceptable and deeply regrettable".

And a spokesperson for Prince William said "racism has no place in our society". 

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63819482

 

 

 

[bobandyson]

40 minutes ago, proton said:

So why do they need separate 'specialist' services if they are African or Caribbean as opposed to any other race?

They are probably given a more in-depth initial interview to determine where they are really from; Africa, Caribbean, UK, etc.

[Puccini]

On 12/2/2022 at 11:42 AM, johnnybangkok said:

Google is your friend

I am also interested in knowing whether the conversation was recorded, searched for it on the worldwide web and found no answer.

[Mac Mickmanus]

42 minutes ago, proton said:

Plenty of black Police officers these days, and bruises do show up on black skin. When was the last time the Police killed a black partner accused of DV? Imagine the fuss if a DV charity was for whites only, she is just making excuses.

Sistaspace charity is trying to raise 100 000 Pounds to buy a new house to house African and Caribbean descent female victims of abuse , lets hope this publicity helps them reach their goal 

 

https://www.londonworld.com/news/sistah-space-black-women-domestic-abuse-charity-ps100000-refuge-3861190

 

Sistah Space: Black women’s domestic abuse charity need to raise £100,000 for refuge

“The space will be accessible 24hrs a day in case of emergencies and will be (wo-)manned full time.”

[Puccini]

14 hours ago, cmsally said:

Who are the witnesses or is it simply hearsay?

I know you didn't address the question to me but as I have it open on my browser (I am now on page 19 of reading this topic) and as some people are not very good at posting links I thought I'd post it.

 

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The encounter on Tuesday, at a reception on gender-based violence, was witnessed by two other women: Mandu Reid, the leader of the Women’s Equality party, who is of mixed heritage, and another black female charity representative.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/30/buckingham-palace-aide-resigns-black-guest-traumatised-by-repeated-questioning

 

 

 

[Puccini]

10 hours ago, steve187 said:

the transcript is from one of the people involved in the conversation

This still leaves two questions:

 

1. Was the transcript made from memory or from a recording?

 

2. Is it really a transcript of the whole conversation, as the newspapers wrote, with an unfinished sentence at the end?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Puccini said:

This still leaves two questions:

 

1. Was the transcript made from memory or from a recording?

 

2. Is it really a transcript of the whole conversation, as the newspapers wrote, with an unfinished sentence at the end?

Both questions made moot by the lack of any palace or other credible refutation of the conversation.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I have posted a link where they said their services are for any dom violence victim who needs help. Why are you in denial of the bleeding obvious. Stop the racism.

Here is a video where Ngozi says that her charity is run *for and by Black people" .

*FOR Black people*

(I didn't manage to find the link that you posted) 

  https://www.sistahspace.org/new-page-3

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here is a video where Ngozi says that her charity is run *for and by Black people" .

*FOR Black people*

(I didn't manage to find the link that you posted) 

  https://www.sistahspace.org/new-page-3

Your searching skills are no better than your reading comprehension skills.

 

NOW, will you finally admit your BS was nothing more than that and that it logically could not have been anything else?

 

https://ijelonek.github.io/Sistah_Space/pages/advice.html

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Your searching skills are no better than your reading comprehension skills.

 

NOW, will you finally admit your BS was nothing more than that and that it logically could not have been anything else?

 

https://ijelonek.github.io/Sistah_Space/pages/advice.html

We, me and you are both saying the same thing .

This is what is written in your link .

Sistah Space is a community based initiative that supports African heritage women and girls.

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

We, me and you are both saying the same thing .

This is what is written in your link .

Sistah Space is a community based initiative that supports African heritage women and girls.

 

I can see this is going to be painful. What else does it say in that link?

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This bit ?


SistaAH SPACE IS A COMMUNITY-BASED NON-PROFIT INITIATIVE CREATED TO BRIDGE THE GAP IN DOMESTIC ABUSE SERVICES FOR AFRICAN HERITAGE WOMEN AND GIRLS.

THE SISTAH SPACE IS A SPECIALIST CHARITY THAT SUPPORTS AFRICAN & CARIBBEAN HERITAGE WOMEN AFFECTED BY DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL ABUSE, UK WIDE

Please format your quotes properly. The website even helps you do that, simply select "post as plain text".

 

Why is this so hard for you to acknowledge what is prominently printed in the link I provided to you even after you challenged me to do so, despite continually refusing to provide any link to your own claim.  Your point is now absolutely refuted and consigned to the trash can of misinformation.

[ozimoron]

We offer guidance to everyone, regardless their gender and ethnicity.

 

https://ijelonek.github.io/Sistah_Space/pages/advice.html

[Puccini]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There have been claims that the conversation was taped by a hidden device , but that hasn't been confirmed 

I guess only Fulani would be able to confirm that authoritatively. The strongest suggestion I have seen is on the webpage 

https://www.turbulenttimes.co.uk/news/front-page/immigration-a-black-day/

 

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...Nothing of that seems to affect the egregious Ngozi Fulani though, who when she went to the Buckingham Palace bash, seems to have had the foresight to bring a recording device with her, enabling her to come away with an exact record of her encounter with Lady Hussey...

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

We offer guidance to everyone, regardless their gender and ethnicity.

 

https://ijelonek.github.io/Sistah_Space/pages/advice.html

And your link also has this :

 

"A domestic abuse organisation for African heritage people

You may ask why we need a domestic abuse organisation specifcally for African heritage people."