Trump Organization found guilty on multiple counts of criminal tax fraud

[Dustdevil]

22 hours ago, placeholder said:

If this were the only fireworks at the display you might have a point. Or don't you believe that more is coming?

In addition there's always the state of Georgia, which did not appreciate the former guy's phone call asking them to disenfranchise almost 12,000 voters, and he faces possible criminal charges there. Using a phrase TFG is so fond of, "We're going to get to the bottom of this."

[digger70]

20 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The guilty verdict comes as Trump is under scrutiny by federal and state prosecutors for his handling of classified documents, the effort to overturn the 2020 election results, and the accuracy of the Trump Organization’s business records and financial statements. He is also facing a $250 million civil lawsuit from the New York attorney general alleging he and his adult children were involved in a decade long fraud. The attorney general is seeking to permanently bar them from serving as an officer or director of a company in New York state, among other penalties.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html

Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case.     ????

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case.     ????

Plenty more investigation still in progress. It's fanciful to think that his company can be convicted of criminal fraud and no indictments will flow from that. He was fingered as being complicit in the fraud.

[digger70]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Plenty more investigation still in progress. It's fanciful to think that his company can be convicted of criminal fraud and no indictments will flow from that. He was fingered as being complicit in the fraud.

Didn't you Read my Post? 

 Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case. 

That means, Not This Time  

Let it be .We wait and see what comes Next.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Didn't you Read my Post? 

 Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case. 

That means, Not This Time  

Let it be .We wait and see what comes Next.

If you meant to expand on your concise comment you should have done so at the time. "That means" is useless after the fact when nobody has a clue what "that means" beyond what you actually said.

 

No need to let it be either. We can pile on just like the Republican party is doing.

 

 

 

 

[digger70]

15 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

If you meant to expand on your concise comment you should have done so at the time. "That means" is useless after the fact when nobody has a clue what "that means" beyond what you actually said.

 

No need to let it be either. We can pile on just like the Republican party is doing.

 

 

 

 

????   Keep it up. Shush.

[HappyExpat57]

1 hour ago, digger70 said:

Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case.     ????

... yet ...

[Pattaya Spotter]

15 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I'm watching Alvin Bragg on CNN right now saying their work isn't finished yet. The House judicial committee has no say in those investigations. Meantime, the House J6 committee has announced that it will be making criminal referrals to the DoJ.

 

The prosecutor in that case explicitly claimed that Trump authorized the fraudulent tax dodging scheme. It would be silly to presume nothing will come of that.

 

The special counsel has also just subpoenaed several state officials asking for their communications with Trump associates around Jan 6.

Democrat Party Ahabs chasing their Trump white whale ???? ???? 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Democrat Party Ahabs chasing their Trump white whale ???????? 

Actually, a quick glance at the press reveals that the Republican party has the knives out. The Democrats are still singing and dancing.

[Pattaya Spotter]

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nobody was named as a defendant, it was a case against the company. However one of those involved Allen Weisselberg, who for decades was one of Donald Trump's most trusted and loyal employees as chief financial officer has already pleaded guilty in a separate case and did a plea deal for testifying in this case so he only gets a 5 month jail term.

Exactly...the corporate entity was charged with wrong doing. And apparently this Weisselberg character was padding the books. Nothing to do with Donald Trump ???? 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

Exactly...the corporate entity was charged with wrong doing. And apparently this Weisselberg character was padding the books. Nothing to do with Donald Trump ???? 

You clearly didn't read where Trump signed the checks and authorized the frauds.

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

You clearly didn't read where Trump signed the checks and authorized the frauds.

Is that why he wasn't separately charged...because he authorized the scheme?

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Is that why he wasn't separately charged...because he authorized the scheme?

That came out in the trial. They didn't have a crystal ball. It's unreasonable to think that there won't be further charges. Trump was shown to have personally benefited by avoiding taxes.

[Pattaya Spotter]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That came out in the trial. They didn't have a crystal ball. It's unreasonable to think that there won't be further charges. Trump was shown to have personally benefited by avoiding taxes.

That was proven at trial...my recollection is that President Trump asserted his Fifth Amendment right to not testify in this case and nothing was proven against him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/10/1116714746/trump-testimony-deposition-new-york

[ozimoron]

Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

That was proven at trial...my recollection is that President Trump asserted his Fifth Amendment right to not testify in this case and nothing was proven against him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/10/1116714746/trump-testimony-deposition-new-york

In that case. I'm just saying that this trial will not be the end of that matter. Given that Trump's complicity was proven it would be illogical to assume otherwise I believe.

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Exactly...the corporate entity was charged with wrong doing. And apparently this Weisselberg character was padding the books. Nothing to do with Donald Trump ???? 

Everything to do with Trump, he signed the checks personally and sanctioned the fraud......lol,

 

His company and he will find it very difficult to get loans now, part of how he traded before, it also makes it much easier for Letitia James with her current suit case against him which includes tax evasion. 

 

Another conviction of his companies goes on his lengthy cv.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 12/7/2022 at 6:26 AM, TheFishman1 said:

Trump what a ConMan

And Mr Biden?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 12/7/2022 at 7:15 AM, Skeptic7 said:

Shyster, crook, criminal, con man. Liar, cheater, thief. Slippery, slimy, wiggly turd. The noose gets tighter. Coming for you Donnie-boy. Finally the ???? spiraling down the ????. 

Was he charged with something?  Was he indicted?  Was he found guilty, of anything criminal?

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

And Mr Biden?

who?

 

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Was he charged with something?  Was he indicted?  Was he found guilty, of anything criminal?

So that's it, he never will be despite being fingered in a criminal fraud case?

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

In that case. I'm just saying that this trial will not be the end of that matter. Given that Trump's complicity was proven it would be illogical to assume otherwise I believe.

We will wait and see.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

We will wait and see.

You already declared the game over. Nice to see some reason entering the debate now.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, In Full Agreement said:

For ease of conversation I always refer to the  legions of followers of Donald John Dump as "Dumpsters".

 

I now wonder if their loyalty to Mr. Dump will be shaken by  a jury finding Dump's company guilty of an ongoing fraud all the while Dump knowing full well what was happening.

There's been little to no give in this forum. The mantra still seems to be "nothing to do with Trump".

[Liverpool Lou]

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Was he charged with something?  Was he indicted?  Was he found guilty, of anything criminal?

So that's it, he never will be despite being fingered in a criminal fraud case?

Donald Trump wasn't fingered in any criminal case.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Donald Trump wasn't fingered in any criminal case.

Weisselberg testified that Trump knew all about the fraud and it had his imprimatur. Trump also personally signed the checks.

[Longwood50]

Yep you have a partisan state and prosecuting attorney finding Trump organization guilty, but Hillary did not commit any crime, and Joe Biden knew nothing about the documentation contained on Hunter's Laptop. 

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Yep you have a partisan state and prosecuting attorney finding Trump organization guilty, but Hillary did not commit any crime, and Joe Biden knew nothing about the documentation contained on Hunter's Laptop. 

because 17 tax fraud convictions equals lying about the documents on somebody else's laptop? Or some imaginary crime never committed. Trump tried very (did I mention very?) hard to have Clinton indicted when he was president and failed dismally.

Edited December 8, 2022 by ozimoron

[Longwood50]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

because 17 tax fraud convictions

And a jury found OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony "not guilty" of murder.  I guess that proves they didn't commit the crime either. 

If the DeSantis prosecuting attorney in Florida or the Abbot prosecuting attorney in Texas found Biden guilty would you not cry partisan politics. 

 

New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."

You'll get a fair trial followed by a first class hanging.

Judge Roy Bean

That is exactly what happened in New York.  Trump was found "guilty" before the trial ever began. 

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

And a jury found OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony "not guilty" of murder.  I guess that proves they didn't commit the crime either. 

If the DeSantis prosecuting attorney in Florida or the Abbot prosecuting attorney in Texas found Biden guilty would you not cry partisan politics. 

 

New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."

You'll get a fair trial followed by a first class hanging.

Judge Roy Bean

That is exactly what happened in New York.  Trump was found "guilty" before the trial ever began.

wow.

 

edit: I mean, really? Actually I'm lost for words.

Edited December 8, 2022 by ozimoron

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Longwood50 said:

And a jury found OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony "not guilty" of murder.  I guess that proves they didn't commit the crime either. 

If the DeSantis prosecuting attorney in Florida or the Abbot prosecuting attorney in Texas found Biden guilty would you not cry partisan politics. 

 

New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."

You'll get a fair trial followed by a first class hanging.

Judge Roy Bean

That is exactly what happened in New York.  Trump was found "guilty" before the trial ever began. 

 

 

You may want to check the title of this OP, its not about OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony

[ozimoron]

Former President Donald Trump had hoped to jumpstart his 2024 comeback bid buoyed by a team of newly elected MAGA allies.

 

The losses have raised new questions about Trump’s political strength and capped off what those close to him concede was a nightmarish month, one that has left the former president badly wounded just as he is embarking on a new campaign.

 

“I think at this point in his nascent reelection campaign, they need to stop and regroup over the holidays,” said David Urban, a former senior Trump campaign adviser. “Since the announcement for his reelect, I don’t think that by any measurable standard you can say it’s been going well.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/07/trump-world-georgia-2024-00072924