Could this corruption scandal signal the end of the EU ?

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Allegations that MEPs have been taking huge cash bribes shine a light on inner workings

 

Police seizures of suitcases stuffed full of cash are usually the result of crackdowns on crime gangs or drug lords. This time, though, the brick-like wads of €50 notes were found not by the vice squad, but by detectives investigating allegations of corruption in the European Parliament....

[Mac Mickmanus]

Is that an old video ?

That may have been the U.K taking its 350 Million quid a week to give to the E.U for its weekly membership fee ?

   Is the video time/date stamped 

 

[stevenl]

I don't see why this would signal the end of the EU 

[KhunBENQ]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I don't see why this would signal the end of the EU 

They don't even come to senses.

They push forward for more and more Balkans states getting candidates.

Schengen free travel/residence/work permit from Romania and Bulgari.

Hooray! Shout the traffickers.

Visa exempt for Kosovo, a country in dispute with Serbia.

Good to watch from the distance.

[stevenl]

30 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

They don't even come to senses.

They push forward for more and more Balkans states getting candidates.

Schengen free travel/residence/work permit from Romania and Bulgari.

Hooray! Shout the traffickers.

Visa exempt for Kosovo, a country in dispute with Serbia.

Good to watch from the distance.

Thanks, but not related to the op and my subsequent post.

[RayC]

No.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

No.

Korekt. If corruption was the end of governments there wouldn't be any governments. They just weed out the ones who get caught.

[Jingthing]

No.

There is always corruption.

It's a positive sign that they're catching some of it.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

Not on it's own, but IMO the EU has deep and systemic problems that may cause it's demise. The exposed corruption may be a trigger though.

[OneMoreFarang]

Unfortunately corruption is part of life. Maybe there is more or less but never no corruption.

 

Some time ago I read an article about corruption, I think it was about Australia.

Basically what they wrote is that a about 5% corrupt business transactions are the sweet spot. More corruption would be a big problem and should be eliminated. But reducing the number even further gets more and more difficult. And at some stage it would cost a lot more to fight all corruption instead of accepting that there always will be some corruption.

I guess that makes sense. Most of us don't like corruption. But we also wouldn't like it if more money would be spent to fight corruption than the "cost" of the current corruption.

 

The EU is not perfect. But looking at the rest of the world I think it's not too bad. 

[placeholder]

23 hours ago, stevenl said:

I don't see why this would signal the end of the EU 

That's because you're not a member of the target audience of of the extreme right wing Telegraph.

[Mac Mickmanus]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's because you're not a member of the target audience of of the extreme right wing Telegraph.

I am quite surprised that the U.K Government allows extreme far right publications to be sold openly in public

[placeholder]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am quite surprised that the U.K Government allows extreme far right publications to be sold openly in public

Good point. Now if there were a major political party that mostly subscribed to the editorial stances of the Telegraph, your observation wouldn't make much sense. But the governance of the UK could never sink that low, could it? Just a rhetorical question. Of course it couldn't.

[Mac Mickmanus]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Good point. Now if there were a major political party that mostly subscribed to the editorial stances of the Telegraph, your observation wouldn't make much sense. But the governance of the UK could never sink that low, could it? Just a rhetorical question. Of course it couldn't.

The UK Government is also extreme  far right ?

This sounds worrying and a concern for the World , hopefully Russian will stop the extreme far right U.K Government from committing any atrocities 

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The UK Government is also extreme  far right ?

This sounds worrying and a concern for the World , hopefully Russian will stop the extreme far right U.K Government from committing any atrocities 

It only inflicts them on its own people.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

It only inflicts them on its own people.

What are those extremist far right actions that the UK Government inflicts  in its own people ?

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What are those extremist far right actions that the UK Government inflicts  in its own people ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/10/poor-rich-tories-brexit-austerity-cameron-osborne-sunak

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, placeholder said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/10/poor-rich-tories-brexit-austerity-cameron-osborne-sunak

Can you write something yourself instead of just giving me a newspaper to read ?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Can you write something yourself instead of just giving me a newspaper to read ?

Who gave you the authority to assign homework? You asked a question and the answer is a link away.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Who gave you the authority to assign homework? You asked a question and the answer is a link away.

I was asking you to back your claims, which is something you are unable to do, which makes your claims to be false claims 

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was asking you to back your claims, which is something you are unable to do, which makes your claims to be false claims 

So, if you were to  question, say, my assertions about atomic structure, and in reply, I were to send you here,

https://www.atomicarchive.com/science/physics/atomic-isotopes.html

that would make my claims false?

You don't seem to have a clue about what evidence consists of.

It is to laugh.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, if you were to  question, say, my assertions about atomic structure, and in reply, I were to send you here,

https://www.atomicarchive.com/science/physics/atomic-isotopes.html

that would make my claims false?

You don't seem to have a clue about what evidence consists of.

It is to laugh.

Can you state the extreme far right wing actions that the UK Government inflicts on its people or not ?

   Or was you speaking nonsense ?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Can you state the extreme far right wing actions that the UK Government inflicts on its people or not ?

   Or was you speaking nonsense ?

This is just one more attempt by you to make things personal. To focus on the person you disagree with rather than the issue of disagreement. It's fundamentally dishonest.. I have given  you a link to someone making the case. There's no necessary reason for me to rehash it.

[Mac Mickmanus]

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is just one more attempt by you to make things personal. To focus on the person you disagree with rather than the issue of disagreement. It's fundamentally dishonest.. I have given  you a link to someone making the case. There's no necessary reason for me to rehash it.

You made some absurd  claims which you are unable to back up .

   The Daily Telegraph is NOT an extreme far right newspaper and the UK Government isn't a even a Far Right Government, let alone extreme far right .

   You made absurd untrue claims 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You made some absurd  claims which you are unable to back up .

 

False. Once again, here's the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/10/poor-rich-tories-brexit-austerity-cameron-osborne-sunak

 

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

   The Daily Telegraph is NOT and extreme far right newspaper and the UK Government isn't a even a Far Right Government, let alone extreme far right .

Apparently, your idea of evidence is mere assertions.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. Once again, here's the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/10/poor-rich-tories-brexit-austerity-cameron-osborne-sunak

 

That link doesn't back up what you say .

 

[placeholder]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

That link doesn't back up what you say .

You still don't get it. Assertions aren't enough.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You still don't get it. Assertions aren't enough.

The Daily Telegraph is a Conservative newspaper and the UK Government  is a moderate Conservative government, now enough of your nonsense  about "extreme right wing"  UK newspaper and Governments

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Daily Telegraph is a Conservative newspaper and the UK Government  is a moderate Conservative government, now enough of your nonsense  about "extreme right wing"  UK newspaper and Governments

How extreme left or right a government is, is obviously a question of the place from where you are looking.

If a person is already on the right side of the political spectrum then someone more right-wing is not considered radical.

But if you are on the left or on the far left then from that perspective you see a far-right government.

 

And all that obviously also depends on the country and even regions in the same country. Different people have different definitions.

 

It is pretty obvious that the UK has the government which they have, including Brexit, because a large part of their press supports it with their constant lies.