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Confederate Robert E Lee to be removed from West Point Academy


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The U.S. Military Academy at West Point is starting to remove Confederate statues and symbols from its campus, in compliance with a federal order formally set in motion by the Department of Defense this past October. 

Over the holiday break, which began on Dec. 18, the country's oldest service academy launched what its superintendent described as a "multi-phased process" to either take down or modify displays that memorialize the Confederacy, including an immediate plan to move a portrait of Robert E. Lee wearing a Confederate uniform into storage.

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13 minutes ago, amexpat said:

How about a statue of Admiral Yamamoto who led the attack on Pearl Harbor?  He also declared war on the USA same as Lee. 

Lee acted in defence of the south after Lincolns invasion by the Union to force them back into it.  

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7 minutes ago, proton said:

Lee acted in defence of the south after Lincolns invasion by the Union to force them back into it.  

Lee was a traitor.

 

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/173624

 

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-robert-e-lee-traitor-20170524-story.html

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2 hours ago, proton said:

Lee acted in defence of the south after Lincolns invasion by the Union to force them back into it.  

Say what?  Secession was not a separation of the US into two countries. It was an act of war and disobedience to the government of the USA.  

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Just now, proton said:

No it was a declaration of independence from the exploitative North, no different from 1776. Lincoln declared war and invaded the south, a few canon shots at fort Sumter, that should have been evacuated by the Union, was not an act of war.

And so you are a anti civil war believer, you must love what Russia is trying to do to Ukraine then.

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1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

And so you are a anti civil war believer, you must love what Russia is trying to do to Ukraine then.

How can anyone be an anti civil war believer when at least 700k Americans were killed to force the CSA back into the Union? Slavery could have been solved by other means than launching a war on the CSA, Lincoln was not interested in slavery, only in preserving the Union, by killing and destruction.

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Just now, proton said:

How can anyone be an anti civil war believer when at least 700k Americans were killed to force the CSA back into the Union? Slavery could have been solved by other means than launching a war on the CSA, Lincoln was not interested in slavery, only in preserving the Union, by killing and destruction.

Please put up links to a cogent argument that slavery could have been ended peacefully.

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1 minute ago, proton said:

This is not a court of inquiry. If you care to look into it the British did it in the 1830's by compensating slave owners in the colonies, ofter they stopped the slave trade in 1808. Enormously expensive, but a good deal less than the cost of the American civil war and hundreds of thousands of deaths. Did you know Lincoln proposed keeping slavery until 1900 if the CSA re joined the Union, and also planned to ship freed slaves back to Africa en mass, or do you need a link to that as well. The ignorance of many Americans about their history is depressing, they just repeat the brainwashing they had at school!

The rules of the forum require you to substantiate any claim of fact.

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6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The rules of the forum require you to substantiate any claim of fact.

 

The Slave Compensation Act 1837 (1 & 2 Vict. c. 3) was the world's first major act of compensated emancipation and an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom, signed into law on 23 December 1837. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837

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4 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." Orwell, 1984

Probably one of the more inane comments he made and he made many . You can't control the past of course  You can learn and try to understand it, but that is not what Orwell meant. As to the present, it is what it is, you don't make it, or 'control' it, you merely live in it. It then gets set as 'history', which is under constant review, reinterpretation  and revelation against present morals and social constructs, hence idiotic decisions to re write it in modern terms, as the  MA and many other institutions in the West appear to be doing. 

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10 minutes ago, proton said:

 

The Slave Compensation Act 1837 (1 & 2 Vict. c. 3) was the world's first major act of compensated emancipation and an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom, signed into law on 23 December 1837. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837

So you think the US of A should have done like the UK, how laughable....different times and circumstances my friend.

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Since the beginning of time, these words have been true ...

 

“Isn’t that rebellion? Yes or no?”
“Yes. But there are mitigating circumstances. Serious miti—”
“There are no ‘mitigating circumstances’ when it comes to rebellion against a sovereign lord.”
“Unless you win.”

 

Shogun

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3 hours ago, proton said:

Lincoln was not interested in slavery, only in preserving the Union, by killing and destruction.

Lincoln famously said :

 

".If I could save the union without freeing any slaves I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that 

 

Yet before he was elected , it was known that a probable consequence of his victory would be the succession of South Carolina and other states .

 

https://www.ushistory.org/us/32e.asp

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