POLL: Do you think Brexit is a success or failure?

[Scott]

Per the request of a member this poll is to look at the difference in opinion about Brexit for those reside in the UK as opposed to those who live primarily as an expat.  Feel free to leave a comment.  

[puchooay]

Far too early to tell.

 

5 years is the cycle for general elections. Generally to allow time for policies to be implemented and make an impact.

 

Brexit is coming up for 3 years. However, due to Covid it would be prudent to wait more than another 2 years to decide.

 

I would say 2026 would be a good time to discuss failure or success.

[Bluespunk]

22 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Far too early to tell.

 

5 years is the cycle for general elections. Generally to allow time for policies to be implemented and make an impact.

 

Brexit is coming up for 3 years. However, due to Covid it would be prudent to wait more than another 2 years to decide.

 

I would say 2026 would be a good time to discuss failure or success.

Nah, we can discuss it now on any and every thread where it is relevant, despite how much brexiteers dislike doing so. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

Brexit itself was a success as the UK left the E.U and that was leavers aims . 

  How the U.K fares post Brexit is a separate issue to the success of Brexit itself as the economy wasn't the main issue for leaving the E.U.

  Its winter time now and and it wont be long before the forecasted sunny weather is upon the green green grass of home

[Bluespunk]

42 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Brexit itself was a success as the UK left the E.U and that was leavers aims . 

  How the U.K fares post Brexit is a separate issue to the success of Brexit itself as the economy wasn't the main issue for leaving the E.U.

  Its winter time now and and it wont be long before the forecasted sunny weather is upon the green green grass of home

Care to back that up with evidence?

[ozimoron]

Are literate people not allowed to have an opinion if they are not British? Statistics trumps anecdotal evidence every time.

 

Would an American or Australian economist have no clue?

Edited December 30, 2022 by ozimoron

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Brexit itself was a success as the UK left the E.U and that was leavers aims . 

  How the U.K fares post Brexit is a separate issue to the success of Brexit itself as the economy wasn't the main issue for leaving the E.U.

  Its winter time now and and it wont be long before the forecasted sunny weather is upon the green green grass of home

I'm pretty sure that the UK also had summers and winters when it was a member of EU????????

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

I'm pretty sure that the UK also had summers and winters when it was a member of EU????????

It was a  reference to the favoured "Sunny uplands" quote and added to the current winter conditions  in the UK , I just thought that I'd get the "Sunny uplands"  catch phrase in first.

   Rather poetic, I thought , combining the current UK weather conditions  and the economic predictions of Brexit

[Credo]

7 hours ago, puchooay said:

Far too early to tell.

 

5 years is the cycle for general elections. Generally to allow time for policies to be implemented and make an impact.

 

Brexit is coming up for 3 years. However, due to Covid it would be prudent to wait more than another 2 years to decide.

 

I would say 2026 would be a good time to discuss failure or success.

You may be right about it being too early to tell, but all the countries are facing the same challenges with Covid, supply chain issues and the energy related issues.   

 

[KhunLA]

Yank here, so an opinion that doesn't matter ...

... as usual ????

 

But independence for tyrannical EU can't be a bad thing.

 

Next up, to save the economy;

... leave NATO

... dissolve your military, nobody is invading the UK

... or at least buy sh!t that works

... maybe an Aircraft carrier that might spend more time at sea instead of dry dock, and actually have aircrafts on it.

... aircrafts that you can actually use ... F-35s ????

 

There's a few £s that could be put back in the tax payers pocket.

Just a thought ... ????

[BritManToo]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Are literate people not allowed to have an opinion if they are not British? Statistics trumps anecdotal evidence every time.

 

Would an American or Australian economist have no clue?

Statistics can be easily manipulated.

I prefer something I can see for myself.

 

As for economists ......

which of them predicted a 2 year COVID world shutdown?

or a war and sanctions against Russia?

or the collapse of financial institutions that were too big to fail?

Edited December 31, 2022 by BritManToo

[KhunLA]

20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Statistics can be easily manipulated.

I prefer something I can see for myself.

 

As for economists ......

which of them predicted a 2 year COVID world shutdown?

or a war and sanctions against Russia?

or the collapse of financial institutions that were too big to fail?

Comes down to basic economics:

... Can you feed yourself, or need to import

... Do you manufacture anything, for local or export, or again, rely on imports.

... or simply surviving to provide services to the elite.

... is tax money spent on military for UK security, or simply providing corporate security worldwide, with no return to the public, just the corporate bottom line.

 

Apparently serfdom hasn't change in centuries, except now they allow you to own a few things, at a price w/interest.

Edited December 31, 2022 by KhunLA

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, puchooay said:

Far too early to tell.

 

5 years is the cycle for general elections. Generally to allow time for policies to be implemented and make an impact.

 

Brexit is coming up for 3 years. However, due to Covid it would be prudent to wait more than another 2 years to decide.

 

I would say 2026 would be a good time to discuss failure or success.

Interestingly 2026 is the date when the UK must renegotiate the temporary trade agreement it has with the EU.

 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Statistics can be easily manipulated.

I prefer something I can see for myself.

 

As for economists ......

which of them predicted a 2 year COVID world shutdown?

or a war and sanctions against Russia?

or the collapse of financial institutions that were too big to fail?

We've had this argument before. The entire planet runs on statistics. Corporations, banks, government, science, all.

[Phoenix Rising]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was a  reference to the favoured "Sunny uplands" quote and added to the current winter conditions  in the UK , I just thought that I'd get the "Sunny uplands"  catch phrase in first.

   Rather poetic, I thought , combining the current UK weather conditions  and the economic predictions of Brexit

For the UK the forecast is 'winter is coming.......permanently'.

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Statistics can be easily manipulated.

I prefer something I can see for myself.

 

As for economists ......

which of them predicted a 2 year COVID world shutdown?

or a war and sanctions against Russia?

or the collapse of financial institutions that were too big to fail?

All of them predicted a 2 years shutdown based on the experience from the Spanish Flu.

 

Statistics is a science of probability. A poll that predicted a certain out come by a tiny fraction is not wrong when the opposite outcome eventuates.

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

We've had this argument before. The entire planet runs on statistics. Corporations, banks, government, science, all.

You're totally right, we should trust the governments, banks and corporations.

[ozimoron]

Just now, BritManToo said:

You're totally right, we should trust the governments, banks and corporations.

Off topic much? Did I even hint at that suggestion? My point was as I said. Go make yourself a nice cup of tea and have a lie down.

[puchooay]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Interestingly 2026 is the date when the UK must renegotiate the temporary trade agreement it has with the EU.

 

Excellent news. 

 

That'll be a good time to discuss and reflect. See you then.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Excellent news. 

 

That'll be a good time to discuss and reflect. See you then.

I very much look forward to it.

 

Though I suspect the Government that arrives at the next election will make urgent moves to remove the barriers this current band of idiots have placed in between British businesses and the world’s largest integrated market located a few short miles away.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, puchooay said:

Excellent news. 

 

That'll be a good time to discuss and reflect. See you then.

Although its not actually a renegotiation of temporary agreements   , it is actually just a five year review of a permeant agreement .

   The first review of the U.K -E.U trade agreement will take place in 2025 and first annual fishing quota negations begin in 2026 .

   Shows how desperate  remainers are when they hope it will lead to the UK joining the E.U and regard them as renegotiations, when they are just reviews 

 

 

Important upcoming dates relating to EU Exit, including the introduction of checks and controls, and the Assembly’s democratic consent vote on the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland.

Dates Actions 31 December 2023 UK to introduce its new regime for border import controls. 31 December 2023 Under the Retained EU Law Bill, the majority of retained EU law would expire, unless preserved. 31 December 2024 By this date, the first vote will take place in the Northern Ireland Assembly on the continued application of Articles 5-10 of the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland, as outlined in the democratic consent mechanism. Read our explainer on the consent mechanism. 31 December 2024 Businesses need to start using the UK's new product safety marking - UKCA Conformity Assessed (UKCA). Under the Protocol, the CE marking will continue to be recognised for goods sold in Northern Ireland. 31 December 2025 First review of the EU-UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement, to take place every five years. 30 June 2026 Adjustment period for fishing ends, annual negotiations on access to fishing waters begin.

 

 

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/assembly-business/brexit-and-beyond/timeline-and-key-documents/

[Chomper Higgot]

I suspect the results of this poll aren’t going the way the person who requested it hoped.

[puchooay]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect the results of this poll aren’t going the way the person who requested it hoped.

Why? It's only based on opinions.

 

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Why? It's only based on opinions.

 

The polls are going exactly how I thought they would go and confirms my suspicions that the huge majority of posters who think that Brexit is a failure have never even been to the UK , or at best, just go there for a minimal amount of time for a short holiday to keep their pension payments at UK levels and not the Thai living rates .

   They don't live in the UK and just get their opinion from anti Brexit news outlets who post biased reports . 

   Their main concern is the Pound/Baht exchange rate and I expect they would be in favour of Brexit if the Pound went back to to the 1998 exchange rate , 70 odd Baht instead of 40 

[metisdead]

A troll post and a reply has been removed.

[Bkk Brian]

47 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect the results of this poll aren’t going the way the person who requested it hoped.

Whoever it was will be blaming the bots next...............????

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The polls are going exactly how I thought they would go and confirms my suspicions that the huge majority of posters who think that Brexit is a failure have never even been to the UK , or at best, just go there for a minimal amount of time for a short holiday to keep their pension payments at UK levels and not the Thai living rates .

   They don't live in the UK and just get their opinion from anti Brexit news outlets who post biased reports . 

   Their main concern is the Pound/Baht exchange rate and I expect they would be in favour of Brexit if the Pound went back to to the 1998 exchange rate , 70 odd Baht instead of 40 

Erm, looking at the poll, and I am, a majority of those who do spend a lot of time in U.K. have voted to show brexit has failed. 
 

Not that it matters as there is plenty of evidence, as opposed to alleged anecdotes, to show the negative impact of brexit has had on the Uk’s economy.
 

So it really doesn’t matter in the slightest where anyone lives. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Bluespunk

[puchooay]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

brexit has failed.

Something we won't be sure about, either way, for some time.

 

The poll really should not be asking people if Brexit has failed or not. Far too early to know. That's why I didn't vote.

 

The poll should be asking about whether Brexit has been a positive or negative action, thus far.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Something we won't be sure about, either way, for some time.

 

The poll really should not be asking people if Brexit has failed or not. Far too early to know. That's why I didn't vote.

 

The poll should be asking about whether Brexit has been a positive or negative action, thus far.

Do not try to misrepresent my post by partial quoting. 
 

If you want a different poll then set one up.
 

No one is asking you to “contribute” to this thread. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by Bluespunk

[puchooay]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Do not try to misrepresent my post by partial quoting. 
 

If you want a different poll then set one up.
 

No one is asking you to “contribute” to this thread. 

It is a public forum. I did a partial quote as that was the bit I was answering.

 

The point is, the poll should be in the present perfect tense, as was the part of your post I tend to agree with. Thus discussing what has happened upto this point.

 

The current options in the poll are impossible to answer as we don't yet know the final outcome.

 

If you don’t like what I say just scroll on past. No need for the crass comments.

Edited December 31, 2022 by puchooay