1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What "incidents are you  referring to ?

I wasn't. I was referring to accusations of racism made by H & M. Any rational person can conclude that they implied that "incidents of racism" had occurred. There would be no basis for their accusation had they not occurred. As I said, it's not for me to challenge the veracity of H & M comments. I posted only that they had made those comments as part of the reason they had estranged themselves (at least in part) from the royal family. That they made those accusations must be beyond question at this point.

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My comment about reading concisely was not taken by you. I said Harry and Meghan left because they ACCUSED racism in the royal family. Proving that those incidents occurred is not relevant to their motives.

I don't know what you mean by 'reading concisely'.

 

Who knows exactly what's behind Harry's and Meghan's unhappiness? Accusations in general have been made.What I'm looking for is a specific example and if I understand you correctly there may well not be one.That's all I'm suggesting - no example available.

 

Sometimes plain ignorance of royal protocol is involved.In the Oprah interview they (H and M) appeared to complain that their children had been denied titles, with the implication of racial discrimination.This was simply untrue and since the accession of Charles both Archie and Lilibet can claim titles.Quite why H and M are so concerned at this piece of royal nomenclature is hard to understand given their dislike of the institution is quite hard to comprehend.

Just now, jayboy said:

I don't know what you mean by 'reading concisely'.

 

Who knows exactly what's behind Harry's and Meghan's unhappiness? Accusations in general have been made.What I'm looking for is a specific example and if I understand you correctly there may well not be one.That's all I'm suggesting - no example available.

 

Sometimes plain ignorance of royal protocol is involved.In the Oprah interview they (H and M) appeared to complain that their children had been denied titles, with the implication of racial discrimination.This was simply untrue and since the accession of Charles both Archie and Lilibet can claim titles.Quite why H and M are so concerned at this piece of royal nomenclature is hard to understand given their dislike of the institution is quite hard to comprehend.

You can look for whatever you like. That wasn't my contention.

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

Apparently the book is already being offered at one third of the retail price even before release.

 

Maybe free with a dozen eggs come release date?

Quite and their Netflix series has 'bombed' in the USA?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1716244/royal-family-live-prince-harry-meghan-markle-netflix-project-rating-flops-latest

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You can look for whatever you like. That wasn't my contention.

My objective was simply to demonstrate there is scanty evidence to suggest racism towards Meghan at least on the part of the Royal Family.

Just now, jayboy said:

My objective was simply to demonstrate there is scanty evidence to suggest racism towards Meghan at least on the part of the Royal Family.

All well and good but the point is that they made the accusation. My initial response was a post from another member claiming that they had other motives not including racism. I'm not going to be drawn into an argument about whether or not such incidents occurred. My sole point was to establish that  they did, in fact, cite racism as a motive for leaving.

 

Go ahead and prove they are liars yourself if you wish. I have proved my point that  they made the accusation. That's all I set out to do.

Off topic bickering posts and replies removed

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 That is apart from the racism displayed against Megan herself.

 

What racism has been displayed against Megan ?

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Go ahead and prove they are liars yourself if you wish. I have proved my point that  they made the accusation. That's all I set out to do.

They made lots of accusations.I'm not suggesting they are liars.People often attribute motives to other people when feelings have been hurt or where there are multiple sensitivities.I'm not trying to establish whether the racist charges are true or not.I'm just trying to find an example of one.To date nothing credible.

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hollywood is so much more exciting than Frogmore cottage in the UK Countryside 

It is also a damn site more expensive - particularly living the lifestyle they aspire to.

 

Neither are particularly employable, he is a Prince, in a country which doesn't have royalty; and as the second string to his bow an ex junior army officer who left when he was required to take the examination for promotion to Major. She was a supporting role TV actress. So the only thing they have is their "Royal" titles. These  on their own have little long lasting draw, so manufacturing a very public estrangement with Harry's family was the road they started down. That is not really going anywhere now. The money will run out in time - I suspect sooner rather than later. When the money goes I suspect the marriage will as well.

 

A long, quiet, comfortable if boring retirement at Frogmore Cottage is probably what awaits - he can watch TV with his neighbour Uncle Andrew!

10 minutes ago, jayboy said:

They made lots of accusations.I'm not suggesting they are liars.People often attribute motives to other people when feelings have been hurt or where there are multiple sensitivities.I'm not trying to establish whether the racist charges are true or not.I'm just trying to find an example of one.To date nothing credible.

Then I don't know why you involved me.

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Then I don't know why you involved me.

It's a discussion forum in which stuff is debated. It's not a personal sparring place. I'm quite interested in how racism is deployed in modern times as shorthand word for all kinds of complex issues, and Meghxit is a classic instance.Yet not one credible example of royal family racism has been produced.

 

Shall we leave it there?

2 minutes ago, jayboy said:

It's a discussion forum in which stuff is debated. It's not a personal sparring place. I'm quite interested in how racism is deployed in modern times as shorthand word for all kinds of complex issues, and Meghxit is a classic instance.Yet not one credible example of royal family racism has been produced.

 

Shall we leave it there?

Definitely. I tried that long ago but you kept misconstruing my claim.

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by ozimoron

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Definitely. I tried that long ago but you kept misconstruing my claim.

It maybe an idea to label it as being unproven accusations of racism , rather than simply stating its racism , as you give legitimacy to the allegations 

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It maybe an idea to label it as being unproven accusations of racism , rather than simply stating its racism , as you give legitimacy to the allegations 

I used the word "accusations" extensively, like in every post. "Unproven accusations" is a tautology.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I used the word "accusations" extensively, like in every post. "Unproven accusations" is a tautology.

Well , in this post you didnt :

   "That is apart from the racism displayed against Megan herself."

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Well , in this post you didnt :

   "That is apart from the racism displayed against Megan herself."

You didn't link to my post. You clipped my post.

 

I believe that was in reference to members here demonstrating racism toward Markle, nothing to do with her accusations.

Any sympathy I might have once had for this couple has evaporated. 

He should have just shown some British stiff upper lip and played the role he was born into. Whatever problems he had before he has made them worse. They made their bed now lie in it and stop being so tedious.

Edited January 4, 20233 yr by Jingthing

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You didn't link to my post. You clipped my post.

 

I believe that was in reference to members here demonstrating racism toward Markle, nothing to do with her accusations.

OK, which members here have been racist towards Megan and what did they say ?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Any sympathy I might have once had for this couple has evaporated. 

He should have just shown some British stiff upper lip and played to role he was born into. Whatever problems he had before he made them worse. They made their bed now lie in it and stop being so tedious.

Maybe the same advice could be applied to his elder brother and his father?

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Maybe the same advice could be applied to his elder brother and his father?

They haven't responded to Harrys public taunts and they refuse to get into a argument carried out in public .

   We have has years of hearing about Megans public arguments with the USA family , its like a soap opera with numerous family members involved all arguing with each other in the media .

   Seems like Megan has run out of story lines with her USA Family and shes trying to bring new characters into her soap opera, the British Roya Family 

16 hours ago, bendejo said:

Right now, if Charles and William were both gone, who would ascend the throne?

 

 

Harry is fifth in line now. All of William's children precede him. If they'd be minors a regent would be appointed.

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I wonder if there will ever be a moment in his life when he wakes up and curses the day when he met Meghan.

Why did I marry that bitch?

Happens to many of us guys that married the wrong woman. Just a matter of time.

Also, he knows if he backs out now he'll look a fool in the eyes of the entire world.

 

As for why he wants to stay whining in public about his family- could be the money runs out if he stops talking about it.

6 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Quite and their Netflix series has 'bombed' in the USA?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1716244/royal-family-live-prince-harry-meghan-markle-netflix-project-rating-flops-latest

One suspects Netflix won't be making any sequels.

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

When did he start his  "new role as the holier than thou member of the Wokerati" ?

Is was a progressive transformation after meeting Markle. The uxorious sap. He's the type of simp who if he married Kelly Osbourne he'd be walking around with purple hair and getting tattoos done. Not an original thought in that simple mind of his.

 

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

When did he:

"sit down and spoke to the Chief Rabbi in London, which had a profound impact on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and gone on and made the same mistakes over and over again in my life."

 

I appreciate you're finding this hilarious but try a little clarification in your posts

Simple PR. He didn't need to 'speak to' the Chief Rabbi, any Jew could have explained why his actions were so reprehensible and he could have simply listened, not spoken - he might have learned something for once. Likewise, there was no need to travel to Berlin (I thought he was an eco warrior) there are Holocaust survivors right there in London. But no, he's Prince Harry so he has to make a grand show of his penance and rack up even more air miles. The grandiosity of the guy - Saving the planet, one PR stunt at a time.

18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No kinda like:

 

During a walkabout at an Edinburgh electronics factory, Prince Philip remarked that a fusebox bursting with wires looked "as if it was put in by an Indian". His remark prompted immediate condemnation.

Kumar Murshid, who chairs the national assembly against racism, said the prince's comments were disgraceful. "This sort of thing is of great concern to us because people expect the royal family to set an example," he said.

I always liked Prince Philip precisely because, while he didn't go out of his way to deliberately cause offence, he didn't spend too much trying to be diplomatic.

 

On one occasion he got off a long flight only to be asked by a journo "how was your flight sir?". He responded: "Have you ever been on an aeroplane? Well, it was just like that".

 

 

17 hours ago, jayboy said:

Harry is a far more likeable and impressive person than his uncle Andrew.That's why the current standoff with his family is so sad.With Andrew there;s nothing to feel except contempt.

Andrew's service flying helos as part of the ship anti-missile screen in the Falklands was contemptible, was it? Maybe you're too young to remember. Sheffield, Coventry, Antelope, Ardent, Atlantic Conveyor, Sir Galahad - all lost. It was a very high threat environment.

 

Andrew - like Harry - won a great deal of (deserved) respect for his military service. Then, over the last 25 years, he's squandered it all and is now rightly out of the picture. He's now 62.

 

Harry's just getting started: he's 38 - let's see where he is at 62.

17 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

I always liked Prince Philip precisely because, while he didn't go out of his way to deliberately cause offence, he didn't spend too much trying to be diplomatic.

 

On one occasion he got off a long flight only to be asked by a journo "how was your flight sir?". He responded: "Have you ever been on an aeroplane? Well, it was just like that".

 

 

Yeah I agree. He was old school. Born in 1921. He struck me as a nice bloke but a bit out of touch and from a completely different era. 

 

As I said before, it's really unfair to judge someone who spent their formative years in the 1930's by todays standards of Wokery and perpetual offence taking. 

 

If the current trend continues the things we say that are part of everyday language today will be punishable by death by about 2070. Personally I think we've almost reached "Peak Woke" and common sense will start to prevail, as we've started to see recently with the WBC stopping men beating up women in the boxing ring in the name of being trans inclusive.

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boxing-is-right-to-stop-men-fighting-women/

 

24 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

I always liked Prince Philip precisely because, while he didn't go out of his way to deliberately cause offence, he didn't spend too much trying to be diplomatic.

 

On one occasion he got off a long flight only to be asked by a journo "how was your flight sir?". He responded: "Have you ever been on an aeroplane? Well, it was just like that".

 

 

I've certainly never disliked him, he's a character with individuality, the same as all the royals. They've all been wrapped up in their own little world where reality is very different from us. Each make mistakes, taking Prince Philips's comments and there are many, should be done with context. The same as with Harry's and the others. Trying to justify and defend one only is not right. As I said before, they are all human and make mistakes. This situation with Harry/Meghan and the Royals is tragic but not being part of that circle its impossible for me to know the true facts so that's why I make no comment on the actual topic. Anyway here is an update, the Guardian has a copy of the book for those who want to knock Harry again.

 

Prince Harry details physical attack by brother William in new book

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

 

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Prince Harry details physical attack by brother William in new book

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

Wow, William just went up in my estimation.

 

I always liked him to be honest. Seems like he has something about him. Beautiful wife/kids as well. The country is in safe hands.

 

It's a shame Harry had to go crying to the public about it (again!) though. Still, I guess he has no other way to pay for all those planet saving private jets, SUV's and 16 bedroom mansions.