Tyre Nichols: Five Memphis police officers charged over death

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You can't concede that it was a plea for peaceful as opposed to violent protests? The protests themselves were inevitable, regardless of what Biden said. Can you concede that much?

This story is about Five Police officers beating a man to death .

No need to keep going on about Biden 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

This story is about Five Police officers beating a man to death .

No need to keep going on about Biden 

What?? I thought this was about Antifa!

[Slip]

33 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You can't concede that it was a plea for peaceful as opposed to violent protests? The protests themselves were inevitable, regardless of what Biden said. Can you concede that much?

Concede?  He is busily and repeatedly setting out to misrepresent Biden's message, which was 'any protests should be peaceful'. I've just watched Biden comments on tv.

[Bluespunk]

53 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Mr Sharpton is accusing the Police officers of being racists , saying they wouldn't have done what they did had the person been White 

 

 

Mr Sharpton also said he believes the outcome would have been different if the alleged victim in the incident was white.

"I do not believe these five black police officers would have done this had he been a young white man," he said.

Read the OP several times and at no point does he accuse the officers involved of being racists. 

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Another example of Biden's inability to get his thoughts out. Man, he's an idiot.

Listen to me carefully: You just cannot call people idiots after vigorously defending the biggest idiot on the planet for over 4 years. That's blatant hypocrisy.

Capeesh? 

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

It seems clear what was reported in the source article,

US President Joe Biden called for "peaceful protest" as authorities prepare to release the footage on Friday evening local time.

 

  imop

Context:

 

Tyre's family

“I want each and every one of you to protest in peace. I don’t want us burning up our city, tearing up the streets because that is not what my son stood for,” said Wells. “If you guys are here for Tyre and me, then you will protest peacefully.”

Dozens gathered at Tobey skate park on Avery to remember Nichols and show their support for his family. During a news conference on Monday, family members talked about Nichols skateboarding and shared a video of him doing what he loved.

https://wreg.com/news/local/tyre-nichols/i-dont-want-us-burning-up-our-citytyre-nichols-mother-asks-for-peaceful-protests/

 

 

Video of her speech and full transcript here:

Calling for calm: Family of Tyre Nichols asks for protests to remain peaceful after police footage is released

https://www.kcra.com/article/sacramento-memphis-tyre-nichols-police-bodycam/42682073

 

 

Full statement in press release link from Biden where snippets have been taken from various media sources:

 

"As Americans grieve, the Department of Justice conducts its investigation, and state authorities continue their work, I join Tyre’s family in calling for peaceful protest. Outrage is understandable, but violence is never acceptable.  Violence is destructive and against the law.  It has no place in peaceful protests seeking justice."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/01/26/statement-from-president-joe-biden-on-the-tyre-nichols-case/

 

Its more than clear he was echoing the words of Tyre's family. 

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.

 

[Credo]

This story has a lot to unpack.  I think many think that most police violence is racial in nature -- at least that's what seems to make national news.  This would seem to negate that idea.  Is there a systemic problem with police violence?  Do we need to look at police training in general?  Is there a culture of violence in the police in general?

 

[Tug]

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The aftermath of violence which follows these police related incidents is related.

Well then perhaps the police need to be a bit more careful as 90% of them are bottom line imo folks especially people of color aren’t going to put up with the brutality anymore 

[SunnyinBangrak]

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Read the OP several times and at no point does he accuse the officers involved of being racists. 

Leave it to credible source CNN

 

"Opinion: The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism"

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

 

The article makes literally no sense whatsoever, but clearly they wanted to blame this on racism and moved mountains to do so. Never let facts get in the way of a beneficial political narrative.

Edited January 27, 2023 by SunnyinBangrak

[ozimoron]

40 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Leave it to credible source CNN

 

"Opinion: The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism"

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

 

The article makes literally no sense whatsoever, but clearly they wanted to blame this on racism and moved mountains to do so. Never let facts get in the way of a beneficial political narrative.

I'm not sure why it didn't make sense to you. I dislike a lot of white people and like a lot of black people despite being white. The article basically referred to stereotyping and suggested that nobody is immune to that. The article is nuanced and will be based on accepted psychology. CNN did print a disclaimer that they don't endorse the opinions of the writer yet you still took the opportunity to bash them. Predictable really.

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I'm not sure why it didn't make sense to you. I dislike a lot of white people and like a lot of black people despite being white. The article basically referred to stereotyping and suggested that nobody is immune to that. The article is nuanced and will be based on accepted psychology. CNN did print a disclaimer that they don't endorse the opinions of the writer yet you still took the opportunity to bash them. Predictable really.

" I dislike a lot of white people and like a lot of black people despite being white."

 

 This highlights the absurdity of looking at everything and judging everything through a racial lens which I believe has been the MO since Trump, and culminating in CRT which blames people of color's failings in life not due to their own actions but because white man. It is very dangerous and will not end well. America had it right many decades ago

 

""I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."MLK

 

 Shame on CNN and any other MSM that try making this crime about race. Pure grift.

[ozimoron]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

" I dislike a lot of white people and like a lot of black people despite being white."

 

 This highlights the absurdity of looking at everything and judging everything through a racial lens which I believe has been the MO since Trump, and culminating in CRT which blames people of color's failings in life not due to their own actions but because white man. It is very dangerous and will not end well. America had it right many decades ago

 

""I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."MLK

 

 Shame on CNN and any other MSM that try making this crime about race. Pure grift.

CNN didn't make it about anything, was that not clear to you?

 

For mine, race doesn't enter into it. I judge people on their individual character, not their race. It's why I push back so hard on those who are evidently racist as too many on this forum are.

[Bkk Brian]

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ignore them, its evidenced already in this thread how they take simple statements out of context and turn them into something they're plainly not. Desperation to deflect.

[ozimoron]

18 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Don't try and turn it around. You are the one referring to people's skin colour when describing people you like and dislike. Disgusting. 

I said I dislike some and like others irrespective of their skin colour. You are deliberately twisting my words. Stop trolling. You are disgusting.

 

I suggested that I didn't like a lot of white people despite being white. There is no way to misconstrue that as racist. I used it as analogy to explain why some black people may hate other black people.

Edited January 27, 2023 by ozimoron

[Scott]

Baiting/bickering posts and replies removed.  Please stay on topic.  

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

I said I dislike some and like others irrespective of their skin colour. You are deliberately twisting my words. Stop trolling. You are disgusting.

 

I suggested that I didn't like a lot of white people despite being white. There is no way to misconstrue that as racist. I used it as analogy to explain why some black people may hate other black people.

The idea these days is to not see a persons colour , just see them as being people , rather than a Black person or a White person .

   It doesn't matter what colour you are or what colour the other person is , you are both just people .

   Saying you like Black people is claiming that they are somehow different to White people , whereas infact Black people and White people are the same 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The idea these days is to not see a persons colour , just see them as being people , rather than a Black person or a White person .

   It doesn't matter what colour you are or what colour the other person is , you are both just people .

   Saying you like Black people is claiming that they are somehow different to White people , whereas infact Black people and White people are the same 

Tell that to every media outlet that reported it

The officers, who are all black, also face charges of aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct and official oppression.

[bendejo]

Videos released, US cable news doing the 24/7 thing.

Interested to see how the most liberal of them (MSNBC) will define who is the victim.

 

 

[bendejo]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Tell that to every media outlet that reported it

The officers, who are all black, also face charges of aggravated assault, aggravated kidnapping, official misconduct and official oppression.

I saw some of the video.  The guy was 29 y.o. and 140 pounds.  Why did these five cops have such a hard time overpowering him?  At one point one of them keeps saying "give me your arm!"  Cops only say that once, then they take it forcefully.  I'm suspecting some kind of macho game was in play.

I've seen pairs of cops do a more effective job than these five.

 

 

[Tug]

I’ve seen the video it’s horrific I wish I could unsee it no excuses none whatsoever god that’s bad to protect and serve ehhh that guy posed no threat none nada zip zilch he dident even get out of line just horrible those perps should never ever see the light of day ever

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

I saw some of the video.  The guy was 29 y.o. and 140 pounds.  Why did these five cops have such a hard time overpowering him?  At one point one of them keeps saying "give me your arm!"  Cops only say that once, then they take it forcefully.  I'm suspecting some kind of macho game was in play.

I've seen pairs of cops do a more effective job than these five.

 

 

Not seen it yet but those officers deserve all they having coming

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

I’ve seen the video it’s horrific I wish I could unsee it no excuses none whatsoever god that’s bad to protect and serve ehhh that guy posed no threat none nada zip zilch he dident even get out of line just horrible those perps should never ever see the light of day ever

Protests now underway. As the family requested lets hope they remain peaceful. Just saw the vid. Agree with you.

[Rimmer]

Off topic bickering baiting posts removed also a personal attack

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Leave it to credible source CNN

 

"Opinion: The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism"

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

 

The article makes literally no sense whatsoever, but clearly they wanted to blame this on racism and moved mountains to do so. Never let facts get in the way of a beneficial political narrative.

The article makes perfect sense. 
 

Also it does not call the officers involved racists. 

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

I saw some of the video.  The guy was 29 y.o. and 140 pounds.  Why did these five cops have such a hard time overpowering him?  At one point one of them keeps saying "give me your arm!"  Cops only say that once, then they take it forcefully.  I'm suspecting some kind of macho game was in play.

I've seen pairs of cops do a more effective job than these five.

 

 

"Give me your arm" is one of the things cops say when they know they are being recorded. It is a pre-defense strategy to excuse their behavior. Same way they continuously shout "stop resisting" when arresting people who are being compliant or say "he made a furtive move to his waistband" to justify shooting an unarmed person. 

 

When there are too many cops shouting conflicting and confusing orders it is a recipe for disaster. Nothing the arrestee can do will prevent some form of retaliation. Like getting told "dont move" and "put your hands up" by different officers at the same time. They need to be trained that, in situations where multiple officers respond, ONE officer is designated at the "caller" and the others enforce the call. But instead all too often every cop at the scene feels the need to chime in and start shouting. 

[EVENKEEL]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/scorpion-unit-memphis-police-task-force-center-tyre/story?id=96720313

 

Two months into SCORPION's deployment, Memphis Mayor Jim Strickland touted the unit's effectiveness. In his state of the city speech, Strickland claimed the unit was responsible for 566 arrests, 390 of them felony arrests, seized $103,000 in cash, 270 vehicles and 253 weapons between October 2021 and Jan. 23, 2022.

[John Drake]

Is it a riot yet?

[Scott]

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